Debate: Abortion Should Be Illegal — Change My Mind

I mean all around the world

India isn't the whole world right?

You're not the main character

And also the fact that

It is legal in india

And I'm crying about it

The world doesn't revolve around you bro

Killing a baby

Not worth it

Just imagine killing your own kid

Just use some fucking condoms

And it's no good to kill a human if they are in coma or have a mental disease that makes them unconscious

Same goes with the fetus

If it has some consciousness or not

Killing a living human still should be considered as a crime

As for if a woman is raped

Picture this, there's your mother, she's in coma (god forbid) so now you have to take care of her, let's say your family has to donate blood to her, don't go into the complications but just tell me, would you go to find the drunk driver who hit her and don't take care of your mother or you will find the drunk driver and take care of your mother too

You would choose to take care of her right?

Same goes with the rape case

The victim has two choices either to harm an innocent life of a fetus (which is her own kid), or to give birth to that baby and leave the baby to an orphanage

So my point is ik it happened wrong to the victim but that doesn't mean the victim has to harm any other innocent being, just give birth to the baby and save the life of that human living in your womb from getting it's spinal cord crushed and pulling out organs one by one

I'd say do this same killing method to the rapist instead of doing onto another innocent soul

You have no right to kill an innocent life

You shouldn't have got me started

Oh man why can't you just state your opinion in points, I'll be having a hard time to find out the points and counters from that essay. But oh well guess I'll be doing this, don't interrupt me till I'm not done cuz you're online rn

Bruh what

1) let's say you fully support lgbtq and their rights as a Citizen but you're not a member of lgbt community yet you fight for their rights, would it be considered wrong if you do that? No, cuz you're a respected citizen and everybody has the right to speak and freedom of speech, so yes I do get the right to speak on women rights that doesn't matter if I'm a woman, man, child, non binary, or a citizen of another country, nobody can take that right and freedom of speech away from me and from me and let me tell you the house of representatives where the rules are formed, modified, and gets discussed. Men and women sit together and debate, discuss on the rights of the 'citizens' which also includes men speaking on women rights and women speaking on men rights, so there is nothing like that which can take away my right to speak on women rights and criticize the laws and government policies.

2) I'm worried abt what choices women make, cuz I choose to speak against the injustice of killings of fetus, which is absolutely barbaric and should not be practiced not even a bit.

3) if your 20 year old kid is suffering with coma and has no consciousness, nobody has the right to kill him, same goes with the autistic people and what not, no matter how much pain he has to go through you can't kill him just becuz of that and yes if you can't afford financially to raise a child then just use some condoms or leave the kid into an orphanage where they can play and live their life happily rather than crushing their spinal cord and pulling out each organ one by one of a living being which is ironically your progeny.

4) about giving away the kids to the orphanage and they'll be packed, just use some fucking condoms and stop get yourself pregnant, we can't change the society without changing our mindset and the more there will be kids in orphanages, the more will be demand, the more orphanages will be built.

Nah you didn't you just talk shit abt me

Injustice can't exist for so long, PPL are raising their voices

Lmao have you ever seen a condom? They don't that's such a shitty argument you can come up with

As for Raped I covered that part already for the 5th time, counter any statement if you want but I won't repeat myself again

Just leave the kid to the government, they'll raise it

Nobody's forcing

Nope the kid is alive since the day it gets attached to the womb which is called implantation if you don't know, and a that kid is alive becuz it grows and feeds

This has to be the most unhinged counter you can come up with

Just leave nobody's forcing you

Exceptions are everywhere and accidents happen everywhere but as a matter of fact that's less than one in a million chance

Nope, if I government tell you to go into the prison for killing a living being that's not outrageous, the criminal deserves that

Skin color doesn't matter racist madam and for your information that kid is alive cuz it grows and feeds

Taking in this thread

Okay then just stop talking if you don't want any debate nobody's forcing becuz i want it ig you keep talking here I'll be keep going

I'm telling you for the 100th time that doesn't matter if it's conscious or not cuz a 20 year old dude isn't also conscious if he's in coma or has some mental syndrome, that won't give you the right to kill him

Yes and I'll be keep going cuz I want a debate if you don't? You can leave

I'm done countering tho and I don't have anything left to counter

And also the fact that If I really wanted that, I'm the owner myself and i would've done that in no time

Peace out

Oh

Go on

Autocorrect dude

lmao

ikr

if they cant win they just start to talk shit

As for the rape victim part:

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And as for other than that yeah I agree just use fucking condoms

I mean I'm sure I don't know the guilt and pain of carrying a baby but I'm sure that it does not surpass the guilt and pain of killing someone or getting killed. It's a serious topic and shouldn't be taken lightly you literally just killed an innocent soul now it's just that you're mentally sick that you don't feel the guilt. Again you can't kill your coma victim mother by saying "she was getting old anyways" same thing. You can't say that "the baby was going to orphanage anyways".
As a coma victim can't feel pain, a month old baby can't either but you can't kill the mother with the coma but i understand that it's hard for the 10 yo to carry a baby but still that doesn't give us a right to kill an innocent human soul. We as humans cannot do genocide in the name of population control cuz simply we don't have right to kill the innocents same thing.

So the coma thing does makes sense... see mother is used as an example here to show that you should be loving the baby inside you as much as you love your mother in fact more than that... As mothers love their child sm that they are always ready to starve if that's what it takes to feed their kid, so the female thinking about getting an abortion should also be loving her kid as much as a normal mother does to their baby. I kind of agree with this that it's somewhat acceptable if an abortion can be performed immediately or within a week on a 10 yo or less after getting raped

But this is the only acceptable scenario

Stressing shouldn't give one right to kill an innocent soul

And i still stand by my statement that it should be allowed only in a scenario where a 10 yo or less got raped

Since above 10 yo can handle labour pain and they do. Less than 14 yo girls are still getting married to this day on a quite large scale

Just have a look at mexico, brazil, and some south asian countries

We can't create a society without any suffering and pure justice we have to sacrifice smth for a greater good and the greater good here is someone's life is getting saved in a cost of just letting one stress about their studies

There are tons of teenagers depressed and broken anyways and if that's what it takes to save someone's life i wouldn't mind especially if it's their child

Yeah ik but what I'm saying is that it doesn't justify killing a soul to avoid that stress

Yes yes I get it

' 0. Percentage though

Huh

What

Same as incest bruh it is illegal but still that happens and it happens everywhere and usa is among the top countries

One year drop out won't do so much just take care of her as she's sick till 9 months and then she can continue her studies

Alright

Oh you're Right it's actually common mb

But still try to understand you're legitimately killing a soul here

Sadly yes

It's happening on quite a large scale

All over around the globe

And it's been happening since the beginning of humans, usually the older women used to get mature at a really young age so did the men. A 12 year old woman used to be as mature as 20 at those times and it has been proven scientifically. So marriage consent used to be like 12-16 for women and then eventually it kept on increasing to 18 now

Bro you're literally be picking up the rare exceptions and let's have a fact check women all around the world including america used to marry by the time they hit puberty like 12-16 and bruh women weren't dying at that time if we don't go into rare exceptional cases

Now that's a different topic. Anyways getting married with your cousin isn't that bad I agree but getting married to your sibling or to your parents is really really horrible. Inbreeding leads to deformities and diseases in humans and I'm not talking about exceptional cases, about 90% victims will tell you the same and I've heard them

Just give birth and let the soul live it's life don't fucking kill it because your mom says

Yeah so biologically minors can handle partuation and I'm not saying that you're wrong that a woman would have to go through stress what I'm saying is that society needs to normalise this mindset and it won't be any issue longer anymore. Gov should provide the victim everything.

Bruh it takes about 9 months for a baby to develop, I'm sure that victim's body would be healed enough by that time to handle partuation

Cousin marriages don't lead to deformities and shi but the inbreeding does. Like the cousins never share the same blood rather it's impure ykwim. Only the pure blood and the same blood leads to deformities and shi and now that you've shared your personal opinion in my personal opinion cousin marriage is wrong okay but NOT that wrong that you could make it illegal so it's kinda okayish in my eyes KIND OF

See? Society isn't ready for this ideology nor the government is. The gov should provide rape victim everything and the society shouldn't raise a finger to the victim

It's your godamnn baby MOTHERS WANT THEIR BABY MORE THAN ANYTHING IN THIS WORLD I BLAME THE MINDSET AND IDEOLOGY OF THE SOCIETY NOT YOU INDIVIDUALS

Again "the gov should help the victim every way"

EXACTLY

Just fucking put that in a orphanage but don't snatch away right to live from the baby

Sure

It's supposed to be a long convo with late replies anyways

Yeah nw

Imagine gov giving you a quota in everything and a bungalow teenagers are getting depressed and broken going to Drugs anyways these days

I mean you're not becoming hell of an exception to this world okay?

And those ain't getting the stuff from the gov but the victim is

Ik ik but what I'm saying is that still doesn't justify killing someone who did nun wrong

Actually if the rape victims get enough highlight almost every gov does

Which isn't the case as always

Cuz nobody is comfortable telling that the whole world that they are raped like bruh

And i blame nun but the society for that

If we'd educate ppl this way, they'll empathise with the victims

And many times the victim dont tell anyone about this cuz they get hell of cash to keep their mouth shut and if they don't they'll kill em or their family

Please don't tell me that the earth randomly happened to had almost 8 billion population

Ikr

Yeah yeah wtv the issue is I'm not blaming the victim in any way

Raping is a thing because they don't punish the rapist by stoning to the death, about pregnancy it's like death you have to face it at some point of life so only the wise ones can accept this and about viruses bruh it goes same for the men but we aren't scared wdym 😭 so again I don't blame the individual but the society

But that's another topic

What I think is it's just the labour pain that is enormous not the whole process I mean ik it hurts too but I don't think that would more than periods does. it's just the labour pain that is infamous

And btw more than 20% parturitions are done by operation via c section

Which doesn't hurt

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I need like 5 business days to read and respond to this

Valid

Bruh I'm it hurts but once again the earth Didn't happen to have 8 billion population. Countless women got pregnant countless women gave birth

It's not a new thing

It's not a special thing

Like okay i get it it hurts

But like bruh every woman in this world has to go through that

Again the gov would pay all the bills and lmao you're really saying doctors don't do "such" surgeries on kids?

Then what do you think how abortion is done

They literally cut the abdomen and they literally rip apart the baby

But by bit

Breaking it's spinal cord

So if doctors wouldn't do a c-section operation for parturition then why would they even do abortion

Both require cutting the abdomen

And interacting directly with the baby

Again I'm not saying that period cramps dont hurt like shi

But I'm just giving you a fact check

The nature is full of exceptions no shit

Yeah I feel sorry for you

BRO

We have a fucking 8 billions of population

And never ever I've witnessed or listened to such case

Atleast not in my entire bloodline

And every couple I've ever known

Lie okay i get it

Periods are painful right

Pregnancy is extremely painful right

Now you're literally saying women who can get pregnant aren't common in this world

WTFFFFF

I'm done with these bluff man

Like okay i get it

But you're exaggerating it to beyond a next level

Indeed Chivalry is also dead

Okay fair but you're Talking about yourself tho. If I say that there are tons of cases where male didn't even do rape or anything but the girl accuse him of doing that and in one tweet a girl was saying that boys should bear that and should be taking it normally cuz women in the past was also got oppressed so now it's your time to pay. Now if I say that we should lessen the rights of women and shouldn't make them so so strict that if a girl accuses someone right at that moment without any hearing the guy gets arrested. But even after all this acknowledging we shouldn't make it less strict even if many innocents are getting jailed again this is a moral dilemma you shouldn't do anything about it even if the innocent faces unjust imprisonment. So you girls have to also be like that it's all about mindset. I'm not saying that get pregnant even if you don't want to buy I'm just saying that in the rape scenario just follow along that time cuz we don't have a choice other than killing another innocent soul. Again we can't make a fully just and righteous society somebody has to suffer at one point or another I hope you understand

Look being "scared" isn't an excuse to literally kill a soul just tweak in the mindset of the society and it's all good. I mean ik it would still hurt horribly but god made us like this way can't really kill a soul blaming our fear

No doubt in that but killing an innocent soul is never the way

Only 30% feel the cramps and I'm sure the percentage of the people among these 30% who feel extreme pain during pregnancy would be more exceptional maybe around like 6-10% and okay if the rape victim lies inside this category I've no problem letting the abortion done.

Yeah I get it, no wonder nature is full of exceptions

I highly agree

Okay let's just agree on this point that if the victim is among those 5-10% women who would feel extreme pain and can die cuz of it in that case abortion is the only way left

Prove your point If you can. don't just unnecessarily mock the argument, bring up a counter if you can

Mb if I've failed to make it clear to you
I just meant that the law suggests that if a girl accuses a man for molesting or raping her, the guy would get immediately arrested without any hearing and checking if that's a false accusation or not
So what I'm saying here is that even after the fact that many innocent men go to jail after being falsely accused even after that we shouldn't make the law less strict cuz moral dilemma and priorities

Likewise if the kid is healthy enough to give birth to the baby

They should

But if it would affect the kid's health in a really bad way

They shouldn't do it

First of all I'm not saying anything like everyone should go through pregnancy (sorry if I failed to communicate clearly idk what my intentions were before) but talking about unborn soul it's just simply not and I can provide you sources that claim that fetus are 'alive' from the moment they get attached to the womb (implantation)

True

Okay how about if only a kid less than 10 yo should go for abortion

No I'm not saying that and I agree with you

How about if a gov pays some other women to breastfeed the baby

Like i said if the kid falls into this type of category of women then abortion is the best way

Bruh like i said gov should bear all the expenses and about mothers dying, if it is found already that the victim is not in a healthy condition or will be then without any hesitation should get abortion and about the 32.9 deaths per 100,000 live births in 2021 I'll say exception happens everywhere

Like i said If that case is found then abortion is best in that scenario

But if it's a kid*

According to me ofc

From what I remember by marriage thingy with young ones I just pointed out that age of marriage consent used to be really different from what it is nowadays but that argument has already ended oh and Afghanistan is not the only country in which it's practiced in some really small areas, there are some african and south asian countries too In which it can be seen in some really small parts

Frr I was about to make a new statement

I think

If the victim is healthy enough to give birth and they're older than 10 also if the baby is less than let's say 80 days old then abortion is the best that could happen

Uhhhh i was about to-

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No shit

Bro i literally think that the rapist should get stoned to death or burned alive

No I'm past school

I'm a big boy

Oh and also the gov should bear all the expenses and shi

I hate this fact

Brother i study data science basically computer science engineering

Yeah liberal aah countries with freedom

Uh

I mean

That's

I felt uncomfortable reading that

But yeah

Kind agreed

Wtf?

No i don't have a job yet

It will take 3-4 years BRUH

(I hope)

Dayum

Wdym

Do YOU have a job

It's common here for students to stay unemployed even after 18

And just focus on the studies

Yeah

Yup

Damn fr?

Bet

But since its 6:30 am and my insomnia didn't let me sleep all night

Ahh

I find the lore highly relatable with the story of my life

Depression

😭😭

Spare yourself

Bro

So

I think

I should sleep now

I hope i will watch alien shi tmr

Alien stage* mb

Boys play video games to let their inner kid out

Guess what the girls do

Funny of you to say that

There's been like 2 serious debates here

The first one was with an actual mental girl

Who couldn't stop playing the victim abt her illness and just abused all the way and eventually got kicked

Nobody liked her anyways

The second debate was a tough one and really made me rethink about this

I won the first one easily but I won't say neither of us won the second one

We just agreed to each other's points

Btw this one debate actually made the girl fall for me

And she confessed afterwards

So i don't think my gang clowned me in any way throughout the entire period. Furthermore, this guy who had a beef with me actually brought his friends to support him but what happened is that his friends actually supported me related to the topic of this debate

Pretty sure the 99 points you will bring to the table out of 100 will already have been said by someone else here

And that's why they didn't win

I think my revised stance was this