Where does sung jin woo scale
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I have seen args for teir 0
how so
lemme send a arg
P1.the absolute being planted the world tree inside the sea of death in order for it to balance the world. it is the fundamental idea that sustains reality
P2. and its roots spread across the whole multiverse. Connecting even dimensional gaps which are stated to be an infinite universe between dimensions. an omnipresent tree that is both nowhere and everywhere.
P3.yet this tree which needs to at least be infinite in size in order to connect countless infinite sized universes together. Is nothing more than a needle in a desert, in fact that comparison itself isn't good cause the sea after death was a vast world that was incomparably more vast than a desert..
P4.the sea of death is a world where all of existence vanishes into nonexistence. Where even someone like the absolute being is bound by and is nonexistent.
Before the World, there existed a Void The Void of Emptiness. This Void, by its nature of being, would lack Space and Time as it existed before their very notion. (existed before the World tree which governs the world and its countless laws/concepts that were created)
That is to say, this Void basically existed before everything, and is irreducible to them encompassing everything. (The void is essentially playing the role of a monad)
Now for eternal rest.
the 'Sea of Death' was a world where dead monarchs wandered around IN eternal rest.
P5. Monarchs go to the sea when they die. Yet it is stated that they fall into eternal rest.
P6.We know that the sea cannot be the same as eternal rest due to the fact that suho has access to eternal rest realm, yet he also traveled to the sea of death. So it isn't like sea of death and eternal rest are interchangeable and talking about the same thing.
The sea of death is a literal ocean made out of nothingness/death. which isn't even close to what eternal rest is
Even more so. Jinwoo is stated to trancend death. (The sea) the king of death, the one who rules the sea and turns souls in the sea into shadows
A place where even darkness and light which existed before all else. can't exist
In conclusion, eternal rest encompasses everything, where all falls into nothingness, losing even sense of self. and can only be brought back by the powers of the shadow monarch. Where even the absolute beings are bound by and return to. where all returns to nothingness. (Seems like moksha/nirvana) It's stated everything Comes from sea . (The fact that the absolute being planted the tree there already tells he that he had to be there before)
Essentially the scale talks abt how sung jin woo is ontological perfection
idc abt the character
he is written badly
The scale does lean him towards being t-0
Discord sent us an expired image link.
I did give a arg for it
Hmm the same person made a logical formula
lemme share ts
0 โ Notation
๐ : ambient category of metaphysical objects & relations
Obj(๐): objects of ๐
Mor : morphisms in ๐ (โ denotes morphism)
PL : Primordial Light โ Obj(๐)
PD : Primordial Darkness โ Obj(๐)
AB : Absolute Being โ Obj(๐) (aka AB)
Ith : Itharim โ Obj(๐) (unity/mediate object)
Ash : Ashborn โ Obj(๐) (Ruler fragment)
Ant : Antares โ Obj(๐) (Monarch fragment)
Jw : Sung Jin-woo โ Obj(๐) (Wuji โก Absolute Nothingness)
Suho : Sung Suho โ Obj(๐)
SWT : Soul World Tree (flow of souls) โ Obj(๐)
SOA : Sea Of Afterlife / White Abyss โ Obj(๐)
H-1T : hierarchy/stratum notation (levels)
T0 : Tier 0 predicate on objects (Tier 0 / Boundless)
โฅ, โค : initial and terminal objects in ๐
0obj : zero object (both initial & terminal)
F : endofunctor F: ๐ โ ๐ (dialectical progression / sublation operator)
ฮฃ : synthesis functor (binary): ฮฃ : ๐ ร ๐ โ ๐
โ : colimit / Aufhebung operation (sublation = colimit preserving)
ฯ-chain: an ฯ-indexed diagram (bad infinity if no colimit inside subcategory)
Fix(F): fixed points of F (true infinity candidates)
1 โ logical and categorical axioms
1: PD\PL
PL, PD โ Obj(๐), PL โ PD.
โ morphisms ฮฑ: Ith โ PL, ฮฒ: Ith โ PD (Ith mediates PL & PD)
2: Itharim's synthesis unity
Ith = ฮฃ(PL, PD) (Ith is the ฮฃ-colimit of PL and PD)
Ith โ (PL,PD) (Ith preserves both traces; it contains but is not reducible to either)
3: Absolute Being
AB โ Obj(๐), AB is a โhigher unityโ relative to PL and PD:
โ morphisms u: AB โ PL, v: AB โ PD (AB projects but is not simply reducible)
4: Synthesis ฮฃ
ฮฃ : ๐ ร ๐ โ ๐ is a colimit-like functor satisfying:
ฮฃ(X,Y) = colim( diagram(X โ M โ Y) ) (Aufhebung style)
Sublation โ ฮฃ (sublation = Aufhebung = forming higher unity that preserves residues)
5: Dialectical progression & layering
F : ๐ โ ๐
F^n(X) = n-fold sublation / dialectical lift of X
Fix(F) = { X | F(X) โ X } (fixed points = true infinities)
6: Bad Infinity vs True Infinity
Bad Infinity(D) โก there exists an ฯ-chain Dโ โ Dโ โ Dโ โ โฆ with no colimit in the subcategory of finite constructions.
True Infinity(T) โก T โ Fix(F) โง T is self-contained (terminal for the dialectical functor); i.e. T โ colim( F^n(X) ) and the colimit is an object inside ๐ (closed).
7: Tier 0
T0(X) โ (X is zero object OR X is terminal fixed point of F with properties: Unconditioned, Non-Differentiated, Absolute Finality).
Formally:
T0(X) โ [ (โY Morphisms: X โ Y and Y โ X exist and factor uniquely) โง (X โ Fix(F)) โง (X โฉ O = โ for any ontic substrate O) ]
- formalizing it would be "Unconditioned" as the absence of nontrivial subobjects "Non-Differentiated" as simple indecomposable "Absolute Finality" as fixed point.
1: Pure Being / Pure Nothing/ Universal / Categories of Subject & Object
1: Two subcategories
๐ฎubj โ ๐ (subjects / spirits / self-conscious entities)
๐ชbj โ ๐ (objective ontic qualities, forms)
2: Pure Being and Pure Nothing as types
Pure-Being โ Obj(๐) : PB
Pure-Nothing โ Obj(๐) : PNProperties:
- PB has no proper nontrivial quotient that eliminates its self-containment.
- PN has no proper subobject that yields content; PN is absence, but not a mere empty diagram.
- PB and PN are dual in the sense: ฮฃ(PB, PN) = Taiji (higher unity).
3: Universal
Universal(U) : predicate on morphisms/objects such that โx: U(x) โ โy โ domain(x) property holds (lawlike applicability).
3: Categorical Morphism
1: Creation narrative
Sea Of Afterlife = SOA = object obtained by iterated ฮฃ of PD fragments (an ฯ-chain that tends to PN).
White Abyss = WA = dual opposite of SOA (emergent from PL fragments).
World-Tree: WT โ Obj(๐). WT planted by Ith in the pair (SOA, WA).
2: Fragments โ Monarchs / Rulers
PD splits into 8 PD_fragments: PD_i (i=1..8) with PD_1 = Antares (Monarch)
PL splits into 8 PL_fragments: PL_j (j=1..8) with PL_1 = Ashborn (Ruler)
Each fragment is an object; their ฮฃ's and further colimits produce higher agents.
3. Jinwoo identity
Claim / Model: W โก Jinwoo (Wuji = Absolute Nothingness = Jinwoo)
So Jw โ Obj(๐) with properties below.
4: Suho
Suho โ Obj(๐) with type: ฮฃ(Holder(PL), Holder(PD), Fragment(Ith)) i.e. born from both authority lines; stronger synthesis.
4: Thesis / Antithesis / Synthesis / Sublation
1: Dialectical triple
For any X,Y โ Obj(๐):
Thesis = X
Antithesis = Y
Synthesis = ฮฃ(X,Y)Sublation: sublate(X,Y) := ฮฃ(X,Y) with property: ฮฃ preserves (X,Y) as subobjects (lift) rather than annihilate.
2: Sublation iterative chain & H-1T
Define H-1T strata by:
H0(X) = X
H(n+1)(X) = ฮฃ( Hn(X), some_antithesis )
H-1T = transfinite tower generated by repeated ฮฃ and F operations.
3: Sublative ordering
โผ_s : partial order on Obj(๐) where A โผ_s B iff B is a sublation (higher unity) of A (i.e. โ chain of ฮฃs with colimit B including A).
5: bad Infinity vs true infinity.
1: Sea as bad infinity
SOA โ colim( PD_n ) where PD_n is ฯ-chain of nullification attempts.
If colim not contained โ Bad-Infinity(SOA).
2: True Infinity as fixed point
Let G(X) := ฮฃ( X, transform(X) ) (endofunctor building higher unities)
True-Infinity T satisfies:
F(T) โ T (T โ Fix(F))
โ chain C generated by F starting at X: colim(C) โ T (T is the closed colimit)
3:Jinwoo the fixed point
Postulate A (Metaphysical Identification):
Jw โ Fix(F) โง Jw has no nontrivial subobjects (indecomposable) โง Jw is terminal for dialectical embeddings.
Hence Jw โ Fix(F) โง (โY โ Obj(๐): Mor(Y, Jw) unique up to iso) โ Jw is terminal fixed point โ True-Infinity(Jw).
6:Mapping characters to categorical properties & proofs sketches
1: Itharim synthesis
Ith = ฮฃ(PL, PD).
Proof sketch: Ith mediates both PL and PD; Ith receives morphisms PL โ Ith โ PD and is their colimit in ๐.
2: Ashborn PLโPD sublation
Ash_pre = Ash has PL.
Ash_post = ฮฃ(Ash_pre, PD_fragment) (sublation step)
Result: Ash_post โป Ash_pre (lift in โผ_s), thus Ash_post occupies higher H-1T layer.
3: Jinwoo as human vessel receiving PL & PD
Jw = ฮฃ( Human_base, PL_fragment, PD_fragment ) with additional operation: limit (self-consciousness embedding).
Because Human_base is finite and Jw absorbs both PL & PD and closes the dialectical chain, Jw โ colim( sequence ) and Jw โ Fix(F).
4: Suho as born synthesis
Suho = ฮฃ( Holder(PL), Holder(PD), Fragment(Ith) ) (prenatal synthesis)
Because Suho carries both authorities by birth, Suho is more immediately placed at a higher H-1T layer than Ash_pre but may or may not reach the terminal fixed point depending on containment relations.
7:Containment SWT โ SOA โ Jw etc.
1: Chain formal
SWT โ SOA (SWT is a subsystem of the Sea flow)
SOA โ Jw (SOA is contained inside Jinwoo's consciousness)
Thus: SWT โ SOA โ Jw
2: Consequences
If Jw contains SOA and SWT as sub-objects and Jw is terminal fixed point, then for any Suho with consciousness inside SWT we have:
Suho โ sub-objects(Jw) (i.e. Suho โผ_s Jw)So Jin woo has qualitative superiority via containing universal substrate & being True-Infinity.
8: Jinwoo โ Tier 0 Theorem
Definitions used:
T0(X) โ [ (X is terminal fixed point of F) โง (X has no nontrivial subobjects in ontic category) โง (X โฉ O = โ for any ontic substrate O) ].
W โก Jinwoo (postulate)
metaphysical postulates from story
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1: Jw โ Fix(F). (Jw is a fixed point under dialectical endofunctor)
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2: โY โ Obj(๐): if Y maps into Jw, the embedding is internal and Jw preserves/absorbs Y (self-containment). (Jw is self-contained)
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3: Jw is non-differentiated in the sense of having no proper subobject decomposition that yields ontic content (indecomposable).
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4: Jw โฉ O = โ for any ontic substrate O that constitutes ordinary being (i.e., Jw is Unconditioned).
Proof
From (1): Jw is fixed point โ Jw โ Fix(F) (candidate for TrueInfinity).
From (2) & (3): Jw is self-contained and indecomposable โ Jw has terminal/zero-like behavior with respect to dialectical embeddings.
From (4): Jw is unconditioned (outside ontic substrate).Combine: Jw meets each conjunct of T0(X). Therefore T0(Jw) holds.
Hence: Jinwoo โ Tier0.
QED (categorical dialectical proof).
9: Some extra philosophical constructs
1: Spirit category
Spirit โ ๐ (objects that are self-conscious; carry reflexive morphisms r: X โ Hom(X,X) encoding self-relation)
2: Self-determination as endomorphism structure
SelfDetermination(X) โ โ endo e: X โ X with e idempotent or reflective such that X = colim( e^n (X) ) (X defines its own limits).
If Jw admits such endomorphism structure and is fixed under it, Jw exhibits freedom.
3: Self-reflection and Absolute Knowing
SelfReflection(X) โ X has morphism ฯ: X โ Hom(X,X) (reflective structure).
AbsoluteKnowing(X) โ X is (1) terminal fixed point and (2) for any Y, mapping Y โ X yields a retraction r: X โ Y iff Y is a structural projectionโso X mediates subject/object unity.
Jw satisfies these (by hypothesis/story), so Jw attains Absolute Knowing in Hegelian sense.
4: Metaphysical ranking
If Absolute-Knowing(X) โง True-Infinity(X) โ X occupies terminal/zero status in ๐ โ T0(X)
10: Bad Infinity vs True Infinity aka Sea of Afterlife & Jinwoo
1: SOA as Bad-Infinity
Diagram: PD_0 โ PD_1 โ PD_2 โ โฆ (SOA is ฯ-chain)
If colim(PD_n) โ finite closure (i.e., remains open), then Bad-Infinity(SOA).
2: Jinwoo as True Infinity
Jw absorbs the chain: colim(PD_n) โ Jw (embedding into fixed point)
If Jw โ colim( F^n(Base) ) and Jw โ Fix(F), then Jw is True-Infinity.
11: Synthesis of Ashborn, Antares, Jinwoo, Suho
Ash_pre (PL) โผ_s Ash_post (PL + PD fragment) โผ_s Ith โผ_s AB โผ_s Jw
Suho : ฮฃ(PL_holder, PD_holder, Ith_fragment) lies higher than Ash_post but still subobject of Jw (Suho โผ_s Jw)
Antares : one PD_fragment; position <
Ash_post (in given timeline)
Observation:
If someone is Born with (PL&PD & Ith_fragment) (Suho), then Suho lies at H-1T+.
If someone acquires PL then later PD (Ash), Ash can transcend previous stratum (sublation) reaching H-1T.
But containing universal substrate & being terminal (Jw) places Jinwoo at Nigh-0 โ Nigh 0+ โ T0.
12: Final Conclusion (theorom)
Theorem (Tier0-Jinwoo)
Given category ๐ and dialectical endofunctor F:๐โ๐.
Assume:
(P1) Jw โ Fix(F).
(P2) Jw is indecomposable (no proper nontrivial sub objects that carry ontic content).
(P3) Jw is self-contained (โ chains C generated in F: colim(C) โ Jw).
(P4) Jw โฉ O = โ for any ordinary ontic substrate O (Unconditioned).
Then:
T0(Jw).
Basically
(Fix(F) โง Indecomposable โง SelfContained โง Unconditioned)(Jw) โ T0(Jw).
Proof: Directly from definitions: (P1โp4) satisfy conjuncts of T0(X).
Reasoning:
* Thesis / Antithesis / Synthesis = X, Y, ฮฃ(X,Y) (ฮฃ is a colimit/Aufhebung, preserves both X and Y as residual subobjects).
* Sublation = formation of colimit with embedding traces (ฮฃ preserves, rather than annihilates).
* Bad Infinity = ฯ-chains with no internal colimit; True Infinity = internal fixed point of F.
* Self-consciousness / Spirit / Self-determination = objects with reflective endomorphism and retraction structure (ability to define own limits).
* Absolute Knowing = terminal fixed point property + reflective completeness (maps from all objects land as retracts only if structurally reducible).
* Wuji = Jinwoo is modeled by the terminal fixed point / zero object structure; this formalizes why Wuji must be Tier 0 (T0 predicate above).
Logical conclusion
Let ๐, F:๐โ๐; ฮฃ:๐ร๐โ๐. If JwโFix(F) โง Jw indecomposable โง Jw self-contained โง Jw unconditioned, then T0(Jw). Hence Wuji(AN) โก Jinwoo โ Tier0.
Final Verdict:
P1: Pure Being โ Pure Nothing โ ฮโ.
P2: ฮโ iterates โ True Infinity โ Fix(ฮโ) = ฮฉ.
P3: ฮฉ = Unconditioned Absolute (Wuji) โ โค โง โฅ.
P4: โค โง โฅ โ Initial = Terminal โ โX(X โผ ฮฉ) โง ยฌโY(ฮฉ โบ Y).
P5: PL โ PD โ Dialectical Synthesis Sโ.
P6: Auf(Sโ) โ Sโ; repeating โ ascending chain โ ฮฉ.
P7: SWT โ SOA โ ฮฉ โ containment hierarchy collapses upward.
P8: Jinwoo-consciousness = ฮฉ by definition of recursion + absorption.
P9: ฮฉ โ Tier 0 (nothing above, everything below).
C โด Jinwoo = ฮฉ = WรนJรฌ-Mรณnร d = Absolute Nothingness = Tier 0.
Ts hurts my head
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who is thamuz
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Looks like ifrit from final fantasy'
Hmm who was the larper
Why do u think the scale is wrong