Minimum Wage Debate: Should Foreigners & Citizens Differ?

First of all the concept of minimum wage is r tarded. If you make it higher, you'll just make more people poorer because it'll make inflation higher, other than lowering everyone's salaries, remove workplaces and job opportunities and cause massive layoffs.

First of all the concept itself of minimum wage is r tearded. If you make the minimum wage higher you'll only cause mass poverty, make inflation higher, cause massive layoffs, workplaces being closed and diminishing and salaries plummeting down.

Second thing

Yes, I think foreigners that live in the country should pay more taxes instead of being paid less. That's cuz they are in the country only to use its massive and powerful economy to make money, not because they care about the country. Otherwise they would have become citizens.

no

Just keep it the same, besides many foreigners who come to work usually seem to work much harder in certain jobs fields

Sometimes they come in order to send remittances back to their families since they get more money than in their homeland

So would u advocate for there being no minimum wage and what do u think the consequences of that would be. Surely u can see that the existance of a minimum wage is protection for workers

By keep doing like humanity has done for millennias before the min wage was invented a century or so ago. Which is: best businesses keep working, bad ones fail. If someone pays too low people, then no one will work for them and they will close. And a new one will rise.

The existance of min wage only serves to give the bare minimum so people are forced to accept to survive but not to live. And also so that people that don't want to work still get paid enough. It's the opposite of meritocracy.

Would u not agree that abolishing the minimum wage opens the door to workers being exploited since yknow we live in time of late stage capitalism and its not as simple as yknow if someone pays too low they will close because the dream of capitalism similarly is it drives prices down with competition but in rrality products get worse and the price rises but people will still buy it cos what else r they supposed to do. I think u can draw a similar conclusipn in terms of jobs. People have gotta work and i think without the minimum wage thwre would be a lot of people forced to work for peanuts even though they are probably working harder than u or I. Does that kinda make sense?

No, abolishing it doesn't do that. Abolishing opens the doors to real life, where people earn what they work, or they go work somewhere else. Just because you (an example, not you) are too lazy or too scared to go work for the opposite side where they pay you good, it doesn't mean you can't do it.

Besides there are LAWS that prevent exploitation. Minimum wage is the worse of them because it destroys economy

There's many examples of other countries with no minimum wage and ppl r working in factories and barely get paid 2 dollars a day

And no, you don't HAVE to buy them. You can also make it yourself, given that most things we buy are not fundamental to live.

You could also make it urself but its more of a time thing if that makes sense and you do also need the resources to make said thing

Oh ok, so now you want more free time, ok. What if... you hire someone... and you pay them the amount that YOU think it's worth the time you gain by not doing it yourself? And THEY DECIDE if the amount you're paying them is enough for the time THEY PROVIDE by giving you more free time? And if no one accepts it it's because for most of them it's not worht the same, so either you offer them more or you do it yourself without having free time.

Economy 101

So technical wouldn't labor agreements and unions work better than have a minimum wage

Like in Iceland and Denmark

No im not sayinf that i specifically want more free time lol im saying that someone who works day and night and takes care of kids and such like a singgle mother may not have time to make stuff herself and therefore has no choice but to buy stuff does that make sense

Yes, and I've already explained to you how that is completely normal.

And capitalism makes it a fair race. If you do a good work you get paid. If you pay your workers well, more people wprk for you.

The only reason unions will never work is because they get poltical very quickly, and they soon forget that they were supposed to help workers and not protest.

I beleive you are getting the utopian dream of capitalism mixed up with what actually happens in reality. Like yes theoretically in a perfectly functioning capitalist system im sure you and i can both agree that the amount of work you do directly correlates to the amount of compensation you receive but i think it is naive to beleive that that is how it actually works in real life when we are seeing cost of living skyrocket and workers prone to exploitation by companies. I would absolutely love if the amount of work an individual puts in is the be all and end all of how successful u are but that just isnt the case at all and thats reality and thats why I beleive that capitalism is noy a perfect system. I beleuve that the current best economic model is a capitalist one with considerable social safety nets and measures in place to prevent massive wealth disparity

Protesting helps workers tho i dont understand what you mean by this

Also i feel like unions are inherently political no?

Workers rights is an inherently political issue

The cost of living skyrockets exactly because they make the minimum wage higher, which causes mass inflation because it's simply like pumping money in the system out of nowhere.

I mean that once they get political, unions stop caring about workers and start caring only about providing votes for the parties that fund them.

No. A union's job is to defend workers from "employees". They do not and should not care about the politics of the nation, because that is about the single citizen.

They should be divided, so that they will just focus on the job and not on providing votes.

Well yes and unions often do have and should have impacts on state legislation relating to workers rights because at the end of the day a unions purpose is to help provide fair treatment and conditions to employees

Fair enough i still think unions are very useful tools for uniting workers and giving them a voice tho

The minimum wage hasnt raised in the US since 2009 btw. Also im talking about the existence of a minimum wage being a good thing here.

I guess is ur argument about that kinda to how like a church is all fine and dandy but like a megachurch ends up kinda losing the original point of a church? Am i understanding ur argument right?

No. It's about that regardless of how big the church is, if it stops doing what a church should do it's not a church anymore

Fair point. I just still cant seem to wrap my head around exactly why u are anti union

I said I am anti minimum wage

I simply said that I don't like unions cuz they get political

Ok fair but you would agree that they are a necessary and powerful tool for workers?

So in ur opinion if we abolished the minimum wage it wouldnt lead to more exploitation of workers in the lower classes?

Cos i just dont see how that can be true

That's what I said before

It would lead to more people being hired and workplaces actually forced to raise pay to keep having people that work for them

Why does a minimum wage prevent this from happening in ur opinion

Because it works by giving workers the bare minimum instead of forcing employees to raise their offer to have people working for them

Ur using the word instead but it its a false dichotomy. How does a base minimum wage prevent employers to be forced to raise their offer. Workers dont have that kind of bargaining power and abolsihing minimum wagw only removes the safety net

Workers do have that power because for a business to work, it has to have employees

Am I actually explaining this?

Yes obviosuly that is true but the business also has bargaining power in the sense that these people need to work to survive unless of course u want a universal basic income which im sure ur not in favour of. And this bargaining power causes people to accept less than ideal conditions because they need to. Obviously the business needs employees but the current state of affairs means often that the worker needs the business mkre than the business needs them. I genuinely think u are delusional if u think abolsibing the minimum wage would not lead to the acceleration of capitalist exploitation of workers

Not at all. The business needs the worker as much as the worker needs the business. It's not "capitalism"'s fault if some people are willing to get paid worse to do jobs, because everyone has a different conception and pov of how much they need to survive

Once again corporations would just lower their salaries across the board so there is nowhere for most workers who want more to go and they will be forced to accept poverty. Capitalism whilst attractuve in theory when left unchecked (no supports such as the minimum wage) forms a gateway to exploit the lower class. I genuinely dont know if ur ragebaiting oe u avtually beleuve this or ur just being disingenous but I feel as if you live in a different world to me or somwthing

Yes, I probably live in the meritocracy that is the real world. Probably different views ig🤷‍♂️

you deserve ur miserable life

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No clue

All i know is people should have better affordable things

Different minimum wages eh not really tbh

Still going to get paid well just different from the citizens

Yes

The minimum income for a work visa is way higher than minimum wage