Pride Month Discussion: Trans Rights & Identity at FriendZon
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happy pride month! im a lesbian and my gf is trans, doesn’t make me any less of a lesbian because she is a woman. my gf is also a lesbian, even though she’s trans, she’s still a lesbian because she’s a woman who likes women.
religion does NOT excuse people misgendering people because nowhere in the bible does it say to make people feel uncomfortable in their body if you don’t understand them
👏 👏 👏
They are TRANS women.
I support transgender people and people can do whatever they want with their bodies but we have to draw a line. They’re trans women, not women. Trans men, not men. And they should own it. It’s a different lived experience than women/men.
I’m happy for you tho it’s so fun to be in love!
saying “trans women are trans women, not women” still treats them as not really women. thats conditional acceptance. womanhood isn’t only described by chromosomes, reproduction, or childhood socialization. biological women already have just a different experiences as trans woman do with biological woman. infertile women, inters*x women, butch lesbians, etc. we don’t tell them they’re not real women. making them to always “own” a separate category makes dysphoria very strong and isn’t in full support. In social recognition, trans women are women, no matter how you look at it.
i rarely see intellectual people in hot takes wtf
i think we’re just using different definitions.
i’m not saying trans people deserve any less respect. they absolutely do. i’m saying trans women and cis women have different lived experiences and i don’t think acknowledging that is hateful.
we use descriptors for people all the time without acting like one is less than the other. saying someone is a trans woman doesn’t make them less of a person, it just recognizes that their experience is different.
you don’t have to agree with me, but i don’t think pretending there are no differences is the same thing as being supportive.
imagine thinking calling a trans woman for what they are is an insult
it’s not an insult. when i refer to cis women, i dont add on that their cis. it would be annoying and usually has no actual effect to what im saying other than informing the person im talking to that this person was AFAB, in the same way you dont constantly refer to trans women as trans women. they are, like cis women, just women.
sybau
I bleached my skin to pale white and straight and dye my hair blond
I am white I don't care if my race isn't white I am white
You'll respect me I am Anne karenia
um so recognising them as same as other women will allow them inside a women's toilet..which isnt really comfortable for other women
why do anyone else has to suffer cuz of that trans women
imma slam ur ass stfu
why do trans women have to suffer because some women dont know their facts and statistics or anything more than 6th grade biology?
Gender is an internal structure. i feel like a girl, thats how i know im a girl. i cannot feel white in a sense. race dysphoria doesnt exist, race and gender may both be social constructs but one cannot be changed
oh so u want to allow trans women(which anybody can call themselves without any reasoning) in a women bathroom
So this will cause much more problem..any male will just say he identify as a women and will go in women's washroom..this can never be allowed unless thats a gender neutral washroom
Race and traits like phenotype and DNA aren't internal....?
Can I randomly pick or throw away my race....?
$*x offenders aren’t going to be stopped by a restroom sign. what you are referring to is so unbearable uncommon and an insane argument. people like to bring up isolated incidents of strange people doing these things, if you looked at from a statistical point of view we can see that it’s insanely uncommon. cis men are the problem, not trans women.
Are you saying I can be Japanese if I want ?
If you choose to change your gender it is nobody's business but claim full or want to be exactly the other doesn't make sense
not only are you insanely unfunny and your argument is flawed, the argument youre using is scientifically proven to be impossible while gender dysphoria is recognized as a mental health condition
so if they cant be stopped be from restroom sign then we should just give them an open way to into washroom without any stopping..
even if these cases are less they still shouldnt be just ignored
solution is that just make gender neutral or restrooms specific for trans people or people like them..
if you can actually prove to me with fact based unbiased evidence that changing your race is possible i will support you fully
though i’m sure thats fully impossible
Being called trans man or trans woman is ok
Since that is your identity as you claim but what to use restroom , participate in gender sport with the actual gender etc isn't reasonable or fair
It would only be selfish to want that
yea Trans women will always have advantage if they compete in womens sport..it isnt fair for others
This isn't about s@x offenders are the actual gender comfortable?
No they won’t? if a trans women is on estrogen her testosterone and estrogen balance are usually the same as a cis woman’s.
If my agruement is flawed then changing the gender you were assigned from birth is what
That wasn't meant to be funny
If you think it was a joke then you have a problem
im sure trans women aren’t comfortable in men’s restrooms
alright let’s use facts here
genetic ancestry is fixed at conception
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6976916/
You don't even know where you stand....🤦
Since changing your race is possible completely
So as you gender?
You can change your phenotype
But don't expect to be the actual thing you are changing to...
you cannot change your race omg 😭
dear god
Race changing is a thing, there's a whole community based on it lol
So as your gender
They're called RCTA
okay let’s use actual facts
they’re all invalid
Yeah they're weird
You can be addressed as the other gender , change your physical trait to the other etc to feel comfortable and accepted or whatever
But don't expect the actual gender to accept you fully
It is selfish from your part
in a perfect world people would accept trans people
trans people know this isn’t a perfect world
my girlfriend is aware many many people see her as a man
my girlfriend is nonetheless, a girl
Race is a social construct, gender is based on more things like biological and psychological means
And ppl will feel different than what they might biologically be
no matter how many people see her as a man due to their lack of understanding of biology
Does your chromosome change as a trans?
this is wrong
How
Aren't Trans women called X-Men?
You want people to accept your choice fine but wanting to force yourself in everything of that gender isn't reasonable
More accurately, ex-men
Gender is based on not just biological traits, but also psychology, culture and society
That ain't wrong, that's literally what it is
this is a flawed argument
Then prove the flaw
no they have unfair advantage no matter what
Happy pride
Androgen insensitivity syndrome
Don't just call it a flawed agruement when you have nothing to prove
people born with an extra x chromosome
in a perfect world for u..not for other women
Maybe in terms of explosive strength but usually men and women are level in other things
(facts)
transphobes : well no because i said so
in terms of nothing 😭
Bruh what
that and stamina..men generally have more of these ..so this will be unfair to other women
Ill correct you in that some
I am transphobic but i let them be in peace
but the thing is by her logic a 6'4 big man can just participate in a women's sport without any problem
when a trans woman takes estrogen for the purpose of becoming a woman, her hormones balance just as any other womans
For smth like running, they're more level in long distance races or anything which doesn't need a quick burst of power
Still doesn't make sense
??? yes it completely does 😭
that makes me a transphobic..dam
well yes because you have an obvious bias
I was talking abt specifically men there, not trans women taking hormonal pills
ohhhh
Nom this pizza is good
What a great day
It's okay for them to identify,all be whatever they want to be. But it's funny expecting us to accept it all. Hmm, I can identify as a girl but that doesn't mean the whole world is gonna have to accept that. Just like they have their individual free choice,we also have ours
im 6’0 im a woman im pretty fit does that mean i can’t participate in woman’s sports
no it doesn’t
also my girlfriend is 5’7 and skinny asl i promise on everything i could beat her in any sport ever 😭
Am identifying as GOD from now and u all have to accept it..if u dont then u all are Godphobic..
Exactly
psychosis and narcissistic BOOM
If we strip social, physical traits etc
If the egg and spe$$m assigned you a male or a female human that means you are that
Society is fucked up
Human are complex yes but making more madness out of it doesn't make sense
I don't care if you are trans it is your body but forcing the other actual gender to accept you in everything even when they are not comfortable is pathetic
thats where statisitics actually come into action..avgrages
this is getting political up in here
So real
For real fr
nobody is forcing anyone to accept anyone
Did you know that you have to be diagnosed with narcisist thing before you can actually call someone an narcisist
aren't u being narcissistic by wanting whole world to agree on ur opinions and wanting them to suffer cuz of something u want to happen
“narcissistic thing”
Still curious you someone opt out of the default order of things
. I'm born a guy, I am not supposed to feel like a girl since I am a guy
This...
We are entitled to bow and worship you ig
Same word
And when we don't agree. We are the evil masses
...gender ain't that big of a deal, sounds like men and women r diff species tho
U are the first ungodphobic person..u shall be rewarded with a place in heaven
If not we are evil
Devil, demons etc
(trans people being hate crimes and assaulted and killed) = ehhh
(a trans woman using the bathroom)= NATIONAL EMERGENCY
Sorry but that made me laugh
😭
Ever seen other creatures have gender issues besides humans?
Both are wrong..✌️
There should be a trans bathroom to settle this
it’s called the gender neutral bathroom
Idk... Ig humans r too complicated, like making up problems to hate eachother
Actually good idea
but there’s none of those practically anywhere
But we were simple once upon a time
Not forcing yousekf to female's bathroom
personally i don’t see why we have separate bathrooms
You don't mean that
Barely, humans r greedy and love being in social groups
100%
We want more, humans made fire to learn
Oh,I can now use the ladies? Right?
i mean if you want
People feel uncomfortable i
nobody’s actually gonna stop you
So then you'll go there and don't wimp cus you aren't allowed to a particular gender bathroom
It's saddening
Ragebait
why would i do that im cis
no not really
Nahh in this society that can never happen, removing gender based hate isn't possible either
anyone can use any bathroom there’s no lock that checks if your a woman if someone wants to harm someone they’re not gonna care what a sign says
u havent seen the real world..u are living in ur own perfect(for u)world imagination
Well, there are issues with that, privacy, respect etc. and also what happens if a lady says what didn't happen happened . Separation was made for a good reason
im not saying you should im saying nobody’s stopping you
Hmm.
Society disagrees
i’ve never debated this many people at once it’s pretty tricky to focus on them all
Ok let's just not have rules, offenders aren't gonna listen to them anyways
well no
Society is shit
laws usually scare most offenders away
Trans bathroom would be nice
Well,some of those shit are saving
gender neutral bathroom
Since you won't do that then why should it be okay if trans do that?
And why should we be comfortable if they do that?
Used that as an example, rules can scare ppl for anything
For real, at least it's all within their respective set
Fr
Hmm still shit ig
if they’re in the same bathroom as you? im really confused
Trans bathroom
I don't know, why would they think we are all the same
They should have a mixed gender side in sports, that would be fun to watch to see if men and women aren't actually that diff
If you think it this way it is actually good with trans bathroom bc then nobody can shame you when you are trying to go to the bathroom
Lol. I don't think it's a very good idea
call it what you want it’s a bathroom for anyone to use they have them in walmarts and a lot of clothing shops
this is just wrestling in my state
Better to have trans bathroom
I mean as smth as a third separate category that anyone can choose to join
But I guess when people think everyone is the same. A simple experience like that can show our reality works ig
explain
I already did-
💀
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but alongside them Male and female restrooms should be there where only born male and women should be allowed..
It would cause less discrimination
It can show if we're just overreacting abt how diff everyone is or if biology is only a small factor and other factors matter more
it would cause a lot more than gender neutral bathroom
Not really
You u are not a genius
Fr. Giving them the respect they need
And they have not tried it
bruh can this bot stfu
Fr
It loves u
thats not a great thing
Sure thing. But Nobody is ready to do that though
Lnaoooo
I dont think so
It is obvious you in confusion
I think it is more based on people are uncomfortable with seeing
Trans
With same bathroom
is english your first language, genuine question
why are we talking about bathrooms so much
who the hell cares
Nope
It is obviously not
i wonder how most women would react if they saw a trans man in the women’s restroom
Actually alot dors
for real, imagine seeing a lady walk into the guy's side and pulls out same stuff. Scary
Fr
Well, but they don't get it. They would think we are just hating since they are different
Yeah many dont
Its how it us
Unfortunately
They would be in horror
So why should that be normalized just to make others feel in delusion
i really dont understand your point
Cus you are dumb and that is clear
who is feeling in delusion
genuine tip, when debating people dont insult them if you’re mad
it makes you look idiotic it’s embarrassing
in retrospective, people should respect one another regarding of their s**, gender, race, ethnicity, etc
I can't be in a bathroom with someone with d ! i h
exactly!
Respect is not same as acceptance right 
theres technically transgender signs already by now in the Bathrooms idk if its for other countries too but America we have already
and let them enter in restrooms and let them participate in other gender's sport
Irony
Advice while also insulting me makes you pathetic
Tnks for the tip tho
Use it for yourself also
the sports situation idk what to say to that one tbh it would be cool to implement sports specifically for trans too which is fair enough
Idc about anything only the bathrooms
in the rare occasion you meet a trans person, and in the rare occasion you can tell they’re trans, and in the rare occasion you use the restroom in public, and in the rare occasion they ALSO use the restroom in public, and in the VERY rare occasion they feel comfortable using their gender’s restroom
BRO
i keep getting modded
But they don't want separation. Do they?
Idk how to answer that one but idk its a lot of peoples decisions regardless
You are left wing Ig
Cus you always support all the group but delusional and dumb
Free right and any humans that comes together for anything
your grammar is really incoherent
in the end we should respect each other
I know
This doesnt make me left wing if i support trans people huh
Cos they're scared of change
I choose to be a Ram
Support me charles
I guess so
Rams get eaten
Maris been weird lately idk why
Or a fish
I don't mean it doesn't matter at all, I mean it's just one factor out of many
Well, Idk. Respecting someone's choice isn't the same as accepting it
If common sense is weird then damn...
I claim it
Okay chat I have a question, Do yall accept transgender people
I don't
Yes or No
No
And explain why
Cause we are different
No hates
Just fact
care to elaborate more?
No we should fuel the hatred
The answer is obvious
No one cares about you'll but know you limit simple
Yes
I see
i understand advanced biology
No
What have they done to yall to the point they have considerably done bad things to YOU specifically
Hmm. Alright, so a guy who's born a guy,trans to a lady. Sure thing I respect him as everything a human should be given. But that doesn't mean I should accept him as same as other ladies. I respect his choice,he should respect mine in as much as we don't inconvenience each other
Uhh maybe not when they make physical alterations since it can cause long term issues
It will be more risk of someone being harassed
Force us to accept their differences. If we don't then it's hate or something close
HUH
yeah i dont even see that ever based on my experiences of talking to trans people
I mean if you think of it like this even if they swap genders then it dosent mean everyone will be nice bc of it
they didnt cause no harm they was respectful
And it will just give some of them easy access to harass
Others
So basically u dont accept them for them
In bathrooms
Yeah usually they're nice
Yes.
The answer is obvious and clear asf
No one cares about you'll but know your limit simple
And stop being pathetic and delusional that we should let you in private space and do stuff that you would be genetically above us while calling it being fair
Plus they wont accept it if they are gay
at the end of the day tho, who gives a flying fuck? we all live our own same shit different days
Loving their old gender
I don't think I'd consider them as the gender they transitioned to but I do know of the 3rd gender community and don't have much of an opinion other than good luck for them, they shouldn't get hate
Bruh yall never got harassed by transgender people be real here gang
We don't hate on them. We just accept them we are different.
Well not every trans will be nice even if they turn to be and if they are allowed to use same bathrooms then i wonder how much harassment s they will do on other people
Cause thats human logic
U said u dont accept them
Yeah, imo I think it's easier to consider them as another group
Everytime this sticker it's losing it coolness
Using it both on cool things and rubbish
I really dont care Maris people uses stickers for reactions
Anyways trans bathroom should be considered
yes theres signs for that already
Seeing one in same bathroom with me would be considered harassment
Oh. I'm friends with people of those community, as long as they don't make Thier gender or Se...lity as their whole identity. I'm okay with being friends, although I don't accept that in very close circles like family
They should have theirs simple
Well it's not rly based on the fact that they're trans, I mean 3rd gender exists and they don't cause issues based on what ppl might think (ngl I even know religious ppl who accept them as another community lol)
Yall fr showing ur true colors im curious fr
Well its what they can do if they turn to be bad people
And imagine whats gonna be going on in the bathrooms then
its like im talking to right wingers 💔
So what reaction is that?
So you just react to everything but rubbish and reasonable thing?
Anyone can be bad, also got the bathroom thing just having a separate 3rd type works instead
I always showed my true colors
I have nothing to hide
it doesnt always necessarily applies to rubbish and reasonable things its just a reaction
Ur saying that like ur left wing😭
not even left wing
im liberatarian
Well yes but consider if they still have a male thing
Then people can get
Yk
And its better with trans bathroom
For the people...
and support everything
Even humans having delusion that they are birds
Whatever pleases you
Ohhh (I forgot what that is)
Many males will also hate idea of shared bathrooms
And thats why they will maybe be mad about it
Libertarianism is a political philosophy that holds liberty and personal sovereignty as primary values, advocating that individuals should be free to make their own choices regarding their lives, bodies, and property without coercive interference from the state or others.
If it was trans bathroom then they would be saved
From it
I mean sometimes they got exploited to have a certain identity as a kid, ik that many ppl outside of the west have that issue
Maybe
Well, if they are free to make Thier own choices. How about us free to make our own choices too
Ohh interesting
Since it's a free world
no shit u can make ur own free choices too lol
you have free will
nobody is stopping you
Why do my choices as to not accept be critise
He would support me if I choose to be a fish
Even water should respect me and let me breathe in it
If not it is fishphobic
why does people’s choice to be transgender be criticized?
Yeah, people would say as long as it doesn't cause harm then it's okay. Which is not
This topic is also up there with Abortion
And Charles would be against it
Cus he supports me
weird logic but okay
Well, I don't critise their choices. I just don't accept it
That's hateful... Fish ppl exist
💀
Yh
Same as people randomly changing stuff... Cus of liberal whatever
That's just murder, unless it's health and crime cases
Yeah. If it's not murder,then everyone would be aborted
Apparently everyone i see is trans now
What a world
What a world
I agree
assuming im left wing is insane i literally said im libertarian
Anarchy is the way to go
For real, I better check the lady before I hang out
Same
Cis male and cis females forever
What's cis male Nd female
I said that left wing stuff before you said you were libertarian
So...?
ATP we should all join groups even if there is madness in there
??
yeah yeah sure
Great
Its normal females and males
So. Born male and female?
Yeah always will be male and female
Noted
People use it on discord
Why add cis if they are same as us
Everytime I meet someone I'd like to know their genders first...I don't like being deceived even if they remain insecure about their gender or something...
They are not the same
They never will be
Oh. But you said CIS is born as the normal way
Thats why cis male and female cis
Exists
No its that they never become trans
And they will be
Normal
So normal male and female- have a chance to be trans..
Cis- they remain who they are until death
But trans cant use it cause they indetify
As trans
I get it now. They feel different but they still don't trans?
Bro just look it up
Check other facts too
No they are only normal females and males
Adults say they are cis male and female
And if they look for normal female
Or male
I'm gonna go look it up
They will say they look for
Cis female, cis male
And if someone is trans female or trans male they will say they are
What about kis and dis
male and female
Human just keep making complexity out of nothing.....
Fluid gender ,agender, laa gender
I looked it up...
What's the point...
At this stage just announce up new freaking genders every time you feel a little bad about who you are lol....
For real
I thought we were born the way we are for a reason
If life wanted me to be a girl,I would have been born one
Nah bro, it's you who think that way...
For some reason others think you would be born as a freaking alien species with new pronouns that sounds like we would use in biology classes lol...
Hmm
Anyway I am tired with this shite!!
Enjoy the day man!!
Catch you later!!
Cya too
Yeah bruh
Whos gives a fuck at the end of the day 🤷♂️
I no need to repeat it but ill say it again
We go on our own days
Doing the
same shit
Different days
Yawn
Hope they get trans bathroom soon
🐦
Wait they don't??
I thought many places had it!!
Not in norway
Already been saying this bro
Yeah thats still crazy
Fr
Wow imagine running into a trans person while peacefully using a public washroom!!
I can't.....
😭 im sure it would be so painful for you
oh my god
trans people her hate crimed every day and and live in peace but omg seeing one in a bathroom must be SO scary
you can’t be trans in a.bunch of countries you’ll be put to death
oh my but using the bathroom
must be so scary for a cis man
Yeah for men- not so much..
What men fear is when their daughter or son is using the washroom then this trans person comes out!!!
Omg I would crash out- can't trust other genders in washrooms...
Then for females- having a trans girl in the washroom-- idk 🤷♂️ what to say....(they used to be male)
one,
women fear cis men not trans women, if a predator wants to assault someone and 5 years in prison doesnt scare them, im sure a washroom sign won’t scare them. my gf is trans and never in a million years would she think of assaulting anyone.
two,
if you would “crash out” it shows how mature you are. if they were going to assault a child they wouldn’t need to fake being trans or go in the bathroom to do it
three,
you call them women because thats what they are. unless you call a peace of paper a tree and an scrambled egg a chicken
It's cause your gf is different and nice!!
Not everyone is good - does not depend on gender...anyone can be predator!!
Just thinking it is more possible of people using the gender disguise to abuse children...
It's cause your gf is sane and good!!
I think women fear anyone who would try to assault them...
Not everyone is good - does not depend on gender...anyone can be predator!!
Just thinking it is more possible of people using the gender disguise in washroom to abuse children...(already seen such cases)
it is so uncommon it’s not even funny
like very few isolated incidents if that actually happening
i found only TEN articles of this ever happening throughout 7 years
out of ~400,000+ total reported sxual assaults per year
do you understand how uncommon that is
like actually
so statistically speaking
let’s give you the benefit of the doubt and say there were a few more
and only use a low estimate for the overall sxual assault rates
~2.8 million reported adults in 7 years
100 MAXIMUM
of TWO HUNDRED MILLION 8 HUNDRED THOUSAND assults
wow
that sure does pose a huge risk to your safety doesnt it
trans people must be real scary
ESPECIALLY when trans people experience violent victimization at much higher rates, roughly 4–5x or more than cisgender people
wow
Trans women are TRANS women and trans men are TRANS men. There's obviously a difference between people who are born into a gender and people who had medical alterations to become a specific gender. There's difference between cis and trans people and it's fine to be different. They deserve equal respect. And being called trans isn't even an insult so it shouldn't even matter.
exactly
i already explained this hold on
saying “trans women are trans women, not women” still treats them as not really women. thats conditional acceptance. womanhood isn’t only described by chromosomes, reproduction, or childhood socialization. biological women already have just a different experiences as trans woman do with biological woman. infertile women, inters*x women, butch lesbians, etc. we don’t tell them they’re not real women. making them to always “own” a separate category makes dysphoria very strong and isn’t in full support. In social recognition, trans women are women, no matter how you look at it.
im homophobic
Exactly we are simply NOT the same and that’s OK!
Being yourself and who you want to be should be satisfactory enough
Im homophobic
why does it take so long for you guys to say something omg
It's fine to refer to women as "cis women" but suddenly calling trans people trans is bad. There's a difference and we need to accept it. It's not really hating or not supporting just because we acknowledge a difference. I'm all for lgbtq rights. And infertile women are just women with health issues so we can't compare that to being trans.
when i refer to cis women, i dont add on that their cis. it would be annoying and usually has no actual effect to what im saying other than informing the person im talking to that this person was AFAB, in the same way you dont constantly refer to trans women as trans women. they are, like cis women, just women.
Calling both "cis" and "trans" women, women would mean that there's no difference and they function the same, which they do not. For example letting women compete with trans women because they both are women is not fair, they function differently and they have a unfair advantage.
cis and trans women are both women, even if they experienced their womanhood differently. there are so many diverse women out there, just because trans and cis women have their differences doesnt mean there not both women
First and foremost, personal autonomy isn't a matter of opinion but a fundamental right. I agree with . At the end of the day, people still call you whatever they want. Just as it's your choice not to surround yourself with these people
"spiritual"
"troll"
what i say is still more real than what you believe in
A troll is far less relevant
You're a joke
That's all you are
im a joke because im at least im funny, all you are is sad
Lol and I should take you seriously?
theyre socially excepted as wtv they transition to but theyre not biologically what they transition to like ill call them wtv they want but still
