Should Parents Be Forgiven for Trauma? | FriendZone Debate

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gentleunicorn-93 OP

I'm not talking about small mistakes like forgetting your birthday and all. I'm talking the ones which change you as a human being sometimes with trauma,etc.
So should parents be forgiven for such grave mistakes?

quickbadger-36

:pepetea:

quickbadger-36

People celebrate birthdays lol?

grandquiver-69

Nah

grandquiver-69

They shouldn't

@grandquiver-69 They shouldn't
gentleunicorn-93 OP

Why?

amberyellow-59

Depends on the level of abuse, I think emotional is forgivable as long as it's moderate, not extreme

@amberyellow-59 Depends on the level of abuse, I think emotional is forgivable as long as it's moderate, not extreme
gentleunicorn-93 OP

But what if it affected the person very much, in a bad way

@gentleunicorn-93 But what if it affected the person very much, in a bad way
amberyellow-59

If the person can use that experience to become stronger than still forgivable but if not then idk

@amberyellow-59 If the person can use that experience to become stronger than still forgivable but if not then idk
gentleunicorn-93 OP

So it doesn't matter if your mental health is at stakes. All it matters is whether you became strong because of it or not?

@gentleunicorn-93 Why?
grandquiver-69

If it causes a lot of damage which affects their kid long term then they shouldn't rly be forgiven, also if it's smth which happened over yrs

@grandquiver-69 If it causes a lot of damage which affects their kid long term then they shouldn't rly be forgiven,…
gentleunicorn-93 OP

Yes, but they are your parents

@gentleunicorn-93 Yes, but they are your parents
grandquiver-69

Parents shouldn't cause pain into their kids

grandquiver-69

I mean extremely negative

@grandquiver-69 Parents shouldn't cause pain into their kids
gentleunicorn-93 OP

But they are the ones who are taking care of you. They are the ones because of whom you are alive, surviving. So I think they deserve the forgiveness

@gentleunicorn-93 So it doesn't matter if your mental health is at stakes. All it matters is whether you became stron…
amberyellow-59

Not saying that but life has lots of instances where you have to play the hand your dealt, so your bad experiences can either make you or break you

@amberyellow-59 Not saying that but life has lots of instances where you have to play the hand your dealt, so your…
gentleunicorn-93 OP

What if those experiences broke you so hard that it improved your performances but still it left you with mental issues?

@gentleunicorn-93 But they are the ones who are taking care of you. They are the ones because of whom you are alive,…
grandquiver-69

So their kids should be grateful for that? I don't think that holds much weight if the parent/s decide to not treat them well and possibly cause them trauma which affects them as they grow into adults

@grandquiver-69 So their kids should be grateful for that? I don't think that holds much weight if the parent/s dec…
gentleunicorn-93 OP

Ok. But should their kids be fighting against their parents to fight against such acts or should they just not forgive them and ignore them?

@gentleunicorn-93 What if those experiences broke you so hard that it improved your performances but still it left yo…
amberyellow-59

That would be called taking the good with the bad, I have confidence and self esteem issues from how I was raised but what would blaming my parents get me? Nothing

@amberyellow-59 That would be called taking the good with the bad, I have confidence and self esteem issues from ho…
gentleunicorn-93 OP

So you don't even try to tell them about how their actions are affecting your mental health?

@gentleunicorn-93 Ok. But should their kids be fighting against their parents to fight against such acts or should th…
grandquiver-69

I don't think they can rly fight them, especially when they're dependent on others in order to get their basic needs, all they could do is try and work on building good relations with those who don't cause them issues when they're more grown up and from there it depends what they would personally wanna do

@grandquiver-69 I don't think they can rly fight them, especially when they're dependent on others in order to get…
gentleunicorn-93 OP

So they should just remain silent to all the mental torture which your parents are giving you?

@gentleunicorn-93 So you don't even try to tell them about how their actions are affecting your mental health?
amberyellow-59

I mean you can but usually when parents cause abuse they are not actively aware of it in the moment

@gentleunicorn-93 So they should just remain silent to all the mental torture which your parents are giving you?
grandquiver-69

Tbh that might be the only option some have, but if they know someone they can trust (like a brother/ sister figure or a close friend) it might be easier for them to go through it

quickbadger-36

At some point you would just get tire of keeping the hate or hurt🤧

@quickbadger-36 At some point you would just get tire of keeping the hate or hurt🤧
gentleunicorn-93 OP

So you're gonna wait it that point comes in your life?

@gentleunicorn-93 So you're gonna wait it that point comes in your life?
quickbadger-36

Speaking of experience

quickbadger-36

Kinda had the whole abandonment thingy

grandquiver-69

Also not forgiving doesn't necessarily mean keeping hatred against them, especially if it's from past events which don't have as much weight in the present

@amberyellow-59 I mean you can but usually when parents cause abuse they are not actively aware of it in the moment
gentleunicorn-93 OP

So being not aware of what you're doing makes you not guilty of the action?
Is that what you're trying to say?

quickbadger-36

But, I just try to move on Nd live my life since you can't change the past

@amberyellow-59 I mean you can but usually when parents cause abuse they are not actively aware of it in the moment
grandquiver-69

At times they might be aware but won't consider it as that

quickbadger-36

But can at least forgive since it doesn't remove anything from you

@gentleunicorn-93 So being not aware of what you're doing makes you not guilty of the action? Is that what you're try…
amberyellow-59

No they are guilty but depending on the treatment can still be forgiven

@amberyellow-59 No they are guilty but depending on the treatment can still be forgiven
gentleunicorn-93 OP

How?

@grandquiver-69 At times they might be aware but won't consider it as that
gentleunicorn-93 OP

Good point

quickbadger-36

Not easy being a parent btw:straightface:

@gentleunicorn-93 How?
amberyellow-59

Because parents are human too

amberyellow-59

It's their first time living their lives also

quickbadger-36

Just wait till you gets kids Nd see how far you do

@amberyellow-59 Because parents are human too
gentleunicorn-93 OP

So humans can get away with ruining someone's peace of mind and still be forgiven?

grandquiver-69

Doesn't mean actively hurting the kid, not always a physical thing too

@gentleunicorn-93 So humans can get away with ruining someone's peace of mind and still be forgiven?
amberyellow-59

Yes

quickbadger-36

It's a personal choice

@quickbadger-36 It's a personal choice
amberyellow-59

Yeah

@amberyellow-59 Yes
gentleunicorn-93 OP

And is it just because they are superior than you ?
Or is the reason something different

@amberyellow-59 Yeah
quickbadger-36

Forgiving them doesn't make the past right or okay. But at least you have try to let go of a few things I guess

@quickbadger-36 It's a personal choice
gentleunicorn-93 OP

Yes but we gotta know if that choice actually helps that individual or not

@gentleunicorn-93 So humans can get away with ruining someone's peace of mind and still be forgiven?
grandquiver-69

Doesn't sound right, that person could get an unstable mind cos of what happened to them (I don't mean crazy, just not much peace)

@gentleunicorn-93 Yes but we gotta know if that choice actually helps that individual or not
quickbadger-36

Still up to the individual.

quickbadger-36

Not everything has to help you for you to do it

@quickbadger-36 Still up to the individual.
gentleunicorn-93 OP

But what do you think?
Should a person remain silent on such cruel activities or should he speak up?

@gentleunicorn-93 But what do you think? Should a person remain silent on such cruel activities or should he speak up?
quickbadger-36

Well, I wish I could tell you about my experience but it's too long

@quickbadger-36 Not everything has to help you for you to do it
grandquiver-69

Does that include forgiving extreme issues which ppl very much understood what they were doing/saying

quickbadger-36

Long story short,they did ask for forgiveness, and I asked why did he do what he did :armscrossed:

@quickbadger-36 Well, I wish I could tell you about my experience but it's too long
gentleunicorn-93 OP

You just gotta tell us how to deal with it or to be more accurate, how you think the situation should actually be handled

@grandquiver-69 Does that include forgiving extreme issues which ppl very much understood what they were doing/sayi…
quickbadger-36

I don't know. It's all up to the individual Nd their experience

grandquiver-69

Kay

grandquiver-69

I think moving on sometimes helps, without necessarily forgiving them

@quickbadger-36 I don't know. It's all up to the individual Nd their experience
gentleunicorn-93 OP

We are asking your opinion though. So you can give your opinion irrespective of thinking about other individuals

grandquiver-69

Like just leaving things in the past, especially if they're just a part of ur life

grandquiver-69

Not always tho

@grandquiver-69 Like just leaving things in the past, especially if they're just a part of ur life
gentleunicorn-93 OP

What about the future sufferings?

@quickbadger-36 I don't know. It's all up to the individual Nd their experience
amberyellow-59

Pretty much this, there is no right or wrong answer it's up to the person and what happened to them

amberyellow-59

You can sit here all day and pick the argument apart lol

@gentleunicorn-93 What about the future sufferings?
grandquiver-69

Depends on if it's still actively going on, but if they're a child/teen then there's less options on what they can do but they should at least have some sort of support

grandquiver-69

At times forgiveness should be out of the question tho, depending on how extreme it is

@gentleunicorn-93 You just gotta tell us how to deal with it or to be more accurate, how you think the situation shou…
quickbadger-36

Oh. So I grew up without my dad and with my Gramps, so the day my grandpa was buried. My dad and his people came Nd was trying to ask for forgiveness Nd reunion stuff I guess. My other siblings didn't even want to see them but I was the eldest so I had to talk to my brother Nd get us to see them also partly because of my mom too. Anyways, all was forgiven, although it didn't make the past go away.

@amberyellow-59 Pretty much this, there is no right or wrong answer it's up to the person and what happened to them
quickbadger-36

Exactly

@grandquiver-69 At times forgiveness should be out of the question tho, depending on how extreme it is
gentleunicorn-93 OP

Good point. But how could a kid decide which is extreme and which is not if he thinks that his/her parents should not be addressed about it by him/her

quickbadger-36

For something someone may call extreme might not be the same for another

@amberyellow-59 Pretty much this, there is no right or wrong answer it's up to the person and what happened to them
gentleunicorn-93 OP

Yeah fair point

@gentleunicorn-93 I'm not talking about small mistakes like forgetting your birthday and all. I'm talking the ones wh…
snowyjungle-82

It is up to the person,
Parents aren't entitled to your forgiveness if they caused serious trauma or something like that
Parents are adults not just adults , matured adults most knew what they were doing

quickbadger-36

In the end family matters:r_kermitcorner:

@gentleunicorn-93 Good point. But how could a kid decide which is extreme and which is not if he thinks that his/her…
grandquiver-69

I think they'll somewhat understand if it is acc extreme, especially with how they may respond to what happened or actively has been happening to them tho also they can't always talk to their parents abt it (idk if that's what u meant)

quickbadger-36

You can't change blood

@snowyjungle-82 It is up to the person, Parents aren't entitled to your forgiveness if they caused serious trauma o…
gentleunicorn-93 OP

What about your opinion? What would you do if you faced such an act

@quickbadger-36 In the end family matters
gentleunicorn-93 OP

Fair answer. But does the family deserve to be called your family even if they caused great trauma to you?
Is calling them family a formality (as they are your family, you have the same blood) or is it because you want to repair whatever ties were severed in the past

@gentleunicorn-93 I'm not talking about small mistakes like forgetting your birthday and all. I'm talking the ones wh…
snowyorange-96

No

snowyorange-96

They should not be forgiven

@snowyorange-96 They should not be forgiven
gentleunicorn-93 OP

But why? They are your parents after all

@gentleunicorn-93 What about your opinion? What would you do if you faced such an act
snowyjungle-82

It depends,it was serious and I don't see the need then nah
But if it wasn't serious then I would forgive
Not forgiving is different from having hatred or grudges
Grudges would affect you mentally so it is advisable to let go of that grudges even if you choose not to forgive them...

grandquiver-69

Blood is thicker than water, with the actual saying being The blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb so at times 'family' might not hold as much weight, even less so if they cause some of their own to have severe trauma

@gentleunicorn-93 But why? They are your parents after all
snowyorange-96

They are not parents if they let an Abu*ve one slide away, they are not parents if they neglected you

snowyorange-96

They are not parents if they did not love u

snowyorange-96

They are not parents if they Lied about everything

@grandquiver-69 Blood is thicker than water, with the actual saying being The blood of the covenant is thicker than…
gentleunicorn-93 OP

Agreed

@snowyorange-96 They are not parents if they Lied about everything
gentleunicorn-93 OP

But they're trying their best. They are wanting the best for you.

@gentleunicorn-93 But they're trying their best. They are wanting the best for you.
snowyorange-96

No they want the best for themselves

snowyorange-96

They dont care about us

grandquiver-69

Sometimes forgiveness can be tricky, for example if a parent has to leave and has no or less choice in the matter

grandquiver-69

And the other just causes emotional distress

@snowyorange-96 They dont care about us
gentleunicorn-93 OP

What if they cared about you but still wanted the things for themselves. And maybe to get the best for themselves,they caused a bit trauma to you

@gentleunicorn-93 What if they cared about you but still wanted the things for themselves. And maybe to get the best…
snowyorange-96

A bit trauma? Nah they ruined my life

@snowyorange-96 A bit trauma? Nah they ruined my life
gentleunicorn-93 OP

But what if it was for the greater good?

@gentleunicorn-93 But what if it was for the greater good?
snowyorange-96

No its not they made their choice

snowyorange-96

They are blinded by an manipulator

snowyorange-96

Bc they want to be

snowyorange-96

I love how I got betrayed in the most hurtful way ever

snowyorange-96

I can never forgiven that

@gentleunicorn-93 But what if it was for the greater good?
grandquiver-69

Usually that's not a reason, the vast majority of time it could be for selfish reasons

snowyorange-96

I can only forgive my siblings and grandparents bc they are genue

@grandquiver-69 Usually that's not a reason, the vast majority of time it could be for selfish reasons
gentleunicorn-93 OP

But what if it looks like a good option?

snowyorange-96

Imagine feeling like ur in a game

snowyorange-96

And ur in a choose option

snowyorange-96

Each time

@gentleunicorn-93 But what if it looks like a good option?
grandquiver-69

Like how, looks can decieve

snowyorange-96

It dosent feel like

snowyorange-96

Family

snowyorange-96

It feels like control

snowyorange-96

Imagine crying in the bathroom

snowyorange-96

And ur mom says

snowyorange-96

Stop playing victim

snowyorange-96

Keep crying

snowyorange-96

My sister was the one who raised us

snowyorange-96

And grandparents

snowyorange-96

They teached us something

snowyorange-96

Imagine Screaming and no one can hear u so u just want to stand infront of somewhere and die

snowyorange-96

I will never forgiven selfish, egoistic, manipulative parents

quietyellow-73

It depends rlly

quietyellow-73

Like, ive seen cases where ppl and parents reconciled after a long time, either because the parents underwent psychological treatment or because there was genuine dialogue

quietyellow-73

but there are horrible cases, where a lot of abuse and violence is involved, and if the parents dont change soon, they will never change when they're old, so its complicated

quietyellow-73

I personally think its better to forgive, not rlly for the other persons sake, but to stop carrying a burden that hurts, n forget bout their existence n the past

gentleunicorn-93 OP

So majority says that parents should not be forgiven for their grave mistakes

@gentleunicorn-93 I'm not talking about small mistakes like forgetting your birthday and all. I'm talking the ones wh…
nobleriver-83

I've asked myself this question too, bc sometimes it feels like they're doing everything they can to hurt you, bc they know that you NEED to forgive them (as they are your family)

@nobleriver-83 I've asked myself this question too, bc sometimes it feels like they're doing everything they can t…
gentleunicorn-93 OP

Yes, but do you think they deserve the forgiveness?

@gentleunicorn-93 Yes, but do you think they deserve the forgiveness?
nobleriver-83

I don't know, you've received so many responses, what's your conclusion?

gentleunicorn-93 OP

Majority of people said that it depends on the individual. But I personally think that forgiving them is a bad choice

@gentleunicorn-93 Majority of people said that it depends on the individual. But I personally think that forgiving th…
nobleriver-83

But everyone makes mistakes, no? And living with hate can be so tiring too

@gentleunicorn-93 Majority of people said that it depends on the individual. But I personally think that forgiving th…
amberyellow-59

Part of moving on involves forgiving, you can forgive someone and never talk to them again

@amberyellow-59 Part of moving on involves forgiving, you can forgive someone and never talk to them again
gentleunicorn-93 OP

But it sometimes give false hope to the other person that their relationship has been repaired

@nobleriver-83 But everyone makes mistakes, no? And living with hate can be so tiring too
gentleunicorn-93 OP

Yeah,but they don't deserve the forgiveness

@gentleunicorn-93 But it sometimes give false hope to the other person that their relationship has been repaired
amberyellow-59

Well they wouldn't even have to know necessarily

@gentleunicorn-93 Yeah,but they don't deserve the forgiveness
nobleriver-83

You can break contact w them, but still forgive?

@nobleriver-83 You can break contact w them, but still forgive?
gentleunicorn-93 OP

Yeah but it will seem like their actions are justified

gentleunicorn-93 OP

Which is not good

gentleunicorn-93 OP

If they don't get to know what effect their actions has made, how are they gonna work on it?

amberyellow-59

Justice is not for you to deliver

@gentleunicorn-93 Yeah but it will seem like their actions are justified
nobleriver-83

I get what you mean and it is ofc not justified, but forgiving them doesn't mean that their actions were okay. It only means that you've moved on from it and that you don't want they're actions from the past to also ruin your bright future

@nobleriver-83 I get what you mean and it is ofc not justified, but forgiving them doesn't mean that their actions…
gentleunicorn-93 OP

But to achieve that you have to address the effects of their actions. And how far they have affected you

@amberyellow-59 Justice is not for you to deliver
gentleunicorn-93 OP

Of course. Good point. But what if your forgiveness make them feel like their actions were justified. Forgiving them can sometimes be misinterpreted as their actions didn't cause any major problems. Which is not the thing we are trying to achieve

@gentleunicorn-93 But to achieve that you have to address the effects of their actions. And how far they have affecte…
nobleriver-83

Yeah, it takes so much courage tho

@nobleriver-83 Yeah, it takes so much courage tho
gentleunicorn-93 OP

Yes, that's true

@gentleunicorn-93 I'm not talking about small mistakes like forgetting your birthday and all. I'm talking the ones wh…
jadetiger-51

Fuck no.

@jadetiger-51 Fuck no.
gentleunicorn-93 OP

Why?

@gentleunicorn-93 Why?
jadetiger-51

I can't exactly formulate just how I feel about it into words.

jadetiger-51

I don't hate them.

jadetiger-51

But I will never, ever forgive them.

gentleunicorn-93 OP

Ok

jadetiger-51

I'm not trauma dump on a public ahh server rn, but all I'm trynna say is.

jadetiger-51

I'm not going to have kids until I know I'm ready to have them.

jadetiger-51

Financially.

jadetiger-51

and emotionally.

gentleunicorn-93 OP

Good 👍

gentleunicorn-93 OP

I totally respect that

silentheron-29

No

quickranger-40

I love how you list “forgetting your birthday” like that’s a small mistake

@quickranger-40 I love how you list “forgetting your birthday” like that’s a small mistake
nobleriver-83

It is

quickranger-40

My parents would be madddd ashamed if they ever did that lowk so it’s not a small little oopsie

@amberyellow-59 Justice is not for you to deliver
quietyellow-73

Wise words

@jadetiger-51 I'm not going to have kids until I know I'm ready to have them.
quietyellow-73

Everyone should think that way

quietyellow-73

Unfortunately, most parents who cause mental/physical harm to their children, if not all, are not ready to be parents. But then I think, how can people be prepared to have children? Nobody is born knowing, not that im defending terrible parents

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