Pokémon VGC Team Building: Dual Weather & Trick Room Tips
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The Pokémon Champions | VGC Battles & Tournaments community provides expert guidance for new players looking to optimize their competitive teams. This discussion focuses on refining a dual weather and Trick Room setup, offering strategic advice on team composition, synergy, and effective Pokémon choices for doubles play. Members collaborate to create efficient team builds on Pokémon Showdown, helping players transition from experimental concepts to competitive-ready lineups.
This is 's current team, and it needs some fixing. It seems to be a dual weather team, that prefers to be in trick room (also find a setter) (They're relativly new to the game, so don't get too angry lol) assemble
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Hello
What mons do you have
May we see
and i play tr a lot
Where is the TR. in this team bro
It’s in stage 1 of new player fixing mode lol
A real lack of trick room setters
Is their a fake out user to pair it with ?
Scary
It’s fine
Just thinking
Is this for doubles, yea?
Yeah
Banjo what is this iron ball sneazler I keep hearing about ?
Is it for trick room ?
I didn't see it yet
Ok.
No idea then
Might need to find teto a incin
You have more of a rain team
Would be faster and more effecient to make the rain team
Sneazler
Pelli
Swamp
King
Swapert
Missing one Mon
Could honestly be whatever you want
Not a mega
lol meant to be uhhh
Let me double check lol
Second mega option would be starmie or dnite
If you pick starmie we can just chuck chomp as the last slot
I know I’m using your list lol 😂
So
peli
Swampert
King
Sneazler
Starmie
Garchomp
I am going to make this team on showdown so you can replicate it in game
I’ll send the team here
Two
Swapert and dnite
Swampert*
You pick what mode depending on the match up
Dragonite
A quick answer on when you’d bring dnite as your mega and not swampert would be if you see the opposing team has heaps of grass type users
Since swampert has a x4 weakness to grass
You’d use dragonite instead
Okay going to make the team now
Yeah more of a back up mega
Sorry I think I got confused
do you have a sizor?
We were going to use starmie
could also work is you see grass
https://klipy.com/gifs/scizor-pokemon-1
My attention span is dying
I’m going to make a rain core
Swampert
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 18 HP / 32 Atk / 16 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Protect
- Wave Crash
- High Horsepower
- Roar
Pelipper @ Focus Sash
Ability: Drizzle
Level: 50
EVs: 2 HP / 32 SpA / 32 Spe
Timid Nature
- Protect
- Tailwind
- Weather Ball
- Hurricane
Sneasler @ White Herb
Ability: Unburden
Level: 50
EVs: 2 HP / 32 Atk / 32 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Fake Out
- Dire Claw
- Close Combat
- Protect
Kingambit @ Chople Berry
Ability: Defiant
Level: 50
EVs: 32 HP / 32 Atk / 2 SpD
Brave Nature
- Protect
- Sucker Punch
- Kowtow Cleave
- Iron Head
Put whatever two mons you want on the end
Idk what else to put on swampert so I picked roar lol 😂
Yeah he kinda works because the rain will reduce the fire damage
But theirs no trick room
Not really optimal
A faster grass type would like it more
This team doesn’t love being slow
Wut
Hahahahaha
https://klipy.com/gifs/and-still-2
https://klipy.com/gifs/bruce-buffer-its-time-1
Get the sylveon
She’s to good
She fits on any team
😭
So you got leafeon?
Holly pulls...
Sizor for sure lmao
swords dance bullet punch go brr
bug bite also go brr
dump everything into hp and attack, the remaining 2 points go into a defense of your choice
id send the sheet, but im doing smth rn lol
farig is prob the best tr setter
aero is also good
That’ll help
You want incin too
Farig and incin is easy master ball
Bad
Really bad
You want minimum speed
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lots of bulk
farig... isnt on that team
Fml
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I meant minimum speed
speed lowering nature
Farigiraf @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Armor Tail
Level: 50
EVs: 32 HP / 32 Def / 2 SpA
Relaxed Nature
- Trick Room
- Protect
- Psychic
- Helping Hand
i put max defense here, but you prob want some special defense too
Yeah that’s kinda perfect
You need to realise looking at this farig his job isn’t a damage dealer
It’s job seems to be setting trick room
Increasing damage with helping hands
And finishing off very low targets with psychic
wahh likes using words like kinda
Don't listen to him, run energy ball, thunderbolt, and earthquake (im joking do not do this)
Nope, it should be great!
Read this again. lol
some calcs could be slightly edited, but for the most part, does what it needs too
ill send the sheet
Scizor-Mega @ Scizorite
Ability: Technician
Level: 50
EVs: 32 HP / 32 Atk / 2 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Bug Bite
- Bullet Punch
- Protect
more simple than farig
they're there
EVs: 32 HP / 32 Atk / 2 SpD
other than the 2 in special attack (should be in special defense) yeah
No
?
Random ah ping
Sorry what ?
How tf is it random
Dumb ass remove yourself from the role
What’s the ping for
How old are you?
Read the name of the ping
What’s the pings name ??
https://klipy.com/gifs/idiot-sandwich-3
Childish.
Dumb ass
What help is needed exactly
This
Aa Sneasler spread
32Spe/32Atk/2hp if you are going sash go poison point poison jab/close combat /fake out /protect
And if you are going white herb go unburden dire claw/close combat/fake out/protect
Same spreada
Jolly nature
If you don't want protect and ur main carry is physical go coaching instead
Is the goal Ladders or Comp?
Yea just tag me or send me a private message whatever works for you I'll answer as soon as possible
Protect over shadow claw
Then it’s complete
You don't need coverage on it as it hits almost anything for neutral
Stops all the damage to that Mon for one whole turn
Tho it only has 30 percent for second usage in a row
believe me, when i just started, i didn't think protect was good either. but i learned it's just so valuble protecting a mon for a turn
If you would like to try our the team I'd be happy to experiment with two of mine
Or three
I don’t think you need Glimors
I’d replace it with something else and put the sash back on Whim
Aerodctyle could be a strong tailwind setter instead
Adds on the the Equake chem
Hmm?
lol
yeah theres a rain team here
With no rain abusing Mon
Sizor, peli, sneasler, swampert, arch, and last mon of choice
mega swampert and mega sizor btw
U can go dnite for another tailwind option
Stamina
Special
Please don't use the nature that lowers special attack
tatas close to it already, you want electro shot, flash cannon, draco metor/dragon pulse (depending if you want imideate damage or reliable damage)
and protect
also move that defense to hp, with a attack lowering nature instead of speed
hp is the best defense
you don't have any other dragon types on the team
- its gimicky
so not really
dragon tail is physical, + it doesn't need that
you want protect over draco metor
looking at the set, its a bulkier version
other than that, its all good
leftovers, or sitrus berry
Invest more into speed, but not max
idk the exact number, but like 26 or smth into speed
the rest goes into attack and hp
give it jolly
and earthquake/high horspower, wave crash, protect, and maybe ice punch
i said earthquake or high horsepower
both work
Especially on a mon with a 4x weakness, its VERY important
should be good
the ability doesn't matter since you want to mega evolve it right away
and that's automatically swift swim
living on a thread
lol
What's the moveset on kleavor
Why not try life orb on it
Sounds better to me
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
Maybe a bit more hp
Do you have tailwind on pelipper
If you have tailwind than absolutely yes with a few points from defense into speed
And than it's perfect
Love ya too(platonically)
Go 17 in defense 12 hp and 14 speed
Do that and send pelipper set as well
Maybe jolly better to get a bit more speed
As you have enough damage with life orb
And send pelipper as I guess all the others had been taken care of
What is that moveset damn6
Weather ball, wide guard, tailwind and protect or muddy water
With speed up nature lower attack go max spe half in spa and hp
Or go max spa and 2 HP if you are sash
Ah yes
Though it's weather wars so maybe sash or sitrus
Are better
And you switch it when you need it and that's it
I think it's better half spa half hp
Suitrus
Sitrus
Half spa is special attack
Go max speed
Go actually 120 speed on it
Rest go in hp and spa
It needs to outspeed and help others
Nah bro you are good dw
It's fine
I like it
I'm good
Yup
Satisfied with these two
Yes it's good
That is what I said
HAHAHHAHAHAHAH
Very satisfied to hear that
No need
Let's see it
Damn forgot about hurricane absolutely my bad
ya?
It depends
you gotta pick a mega
