Mastering VGC: Competitive Pokémon Team Building Advice
Résumé
This discussion on the Pokémon Champions | VGC Battles & Tournaments server focuses on optimizing a competitive VGC team core. Members analyze a support-heavy setup featuring Farigiraf to counter Trick Room strategies and discuss the transition from Master Ball tier to elite competitive play. The thread highlights the importance of strategic team building, EV spread refinement, and community collaboration to help players reach their highest potential in the current competitive meta.
https://pokepast.es/857035d5c5110c3f
This is the base of my new team, I don't know what megas to use or what else to use with those pokémon, I chose Farigiraf because I always struggle with Trick Room and a lot of people like playing fast (Garchomp Z, Raichu Y etc...) I am open to suggestions, I like this "balance" core, the moves can be changed to make the team better, the ev spreads were taken from top players but we can work on those too! I am aiming for champion tier btw.
Don’t you think its a bit ambitious to be aiming for champion tier as of right now
Well good luck nonetheless
Why ambicious? I wanna get as close as I can
Only really elite players reach champion tier
Its top 300 out of everyone globally
I will never get closer to their skill if I don't get to play them, if my rating is high enough I'll get to face them at least
Bruh
You will get closer to their skill as you progress
You do realize you can improve without facing the best
ok I'll play random teams in pokeball tier, that sounds great
Yeah
Cause you’re new
Who said I'm new?
As you progress you climb up the ranks
An assumption made by me
Apparently i was wrong
Anyways
I mean you progress up the ranks and you’ll face people on your level
I hit Master Ball every season, I used to compete in online tourneys in Sun and Moon (I didn't do good but I tried)
I mean you asked teambuilding help with just a supportive core down
Yeah
Who doesn’t make it to masterball lmao
I'll have to agree with this take
Anyway
What exactly are you aiming to build
What you've sent isn't really helpful
So asking for help = I'm new and never played pokemon before got it
Hence why i thought you were new
I'll make a new post saying I'm an expert
Your core is 3 support Pokémon
Not the same
So it is not a core
It's a support core
You can build anything with this
In competitive Pokémon, a core is a group of two to four Pokémon that share strong synergy and form the strategic backbone of a team
I have no idea what you want so I cannot really suggest stuff
Core is the main Pokémon you wanna build around
I can think up of dozens of teams with both rillaboom and incineroar
These are the Mons you use to build around with lol
The one's you've sent
You can do absolutely anything with what you have down rn
You can run tailroom
You can run setup spam
You can run starrai
They’re kind of good pokemon for everything
I don’t have a clear view of what you want yet
~~Ignore noah I am better ~~
I don't know what I wanna play, I got to Master Ball with Raichu Y Staraptor, I placed Farigiraf in the team because if they get trick room I basically lost, I like Rillaboom a lot
:))
What is this?
You mean like Delphox Blastoise?
Staraptor raichuy
Mega raptor mega raichu y
It's usually floette over Blastoise nowadays or you run terrain pulse rain but yeah
Something along those lines
I already run Starrai, I like it, but it feels weak to psyspam and trick room, and it doesn't have enough answers to sun imo
You can build absolutely everything
You can like
Open the results
If Frankfurt
Well it depends on the team
Search for a team with these three
A starrai team can have rilla and gholdengo
And 200 teams will show up
I wouldn’t call that bad against psyspam
I play Staraptor, Raichu Y, Gholdengho, Rillaboom, Hisui Arcanine and Sylveon
Well that's an amazing team
Just has a high skill ceiling
Mega gallade with shadow Claw and Helping hand indeedee got me
And sucks if you don't know how to use it
Not really a bad match up into psyspam
Extremely hard to use
Thats uh
I'll keep saying it
Thats not psyspam
Psyspam mu is amazing
But uh thats weird
Not good imo
Also what you are saying isn't even meta or something to plan for
It's just
Ultraball cheese
By ppl who are bad
Ladder tech
Not even cheese actually
Just weird
What I like about the team I play is that I can bring both megas and even if they don't mega they can be good, Sylveon feels kinda good into some stuff but I'm not sold,
Couldn’t even bother to run psycho cut or at the very least night slash
What is shadow claw doing
It does struggle against trick room, what do you do against incin farigiraf lead?
It doesn't
How do you struggle against trick room
They go fake out trick room
You just need to position inside it
Yeah you can't deny lol
Just play around it
Not being able to deny trick room doesn't mean having a bad MU into it
So I should just delete this post?
Easier said than done sometimes
No why would you
I am just
Confused
Because
There is not really
A team
I can help you work on
I am trying to find a team that feels "mine" and I can make work
You haven't chosen that you want to play
Well it seems to me you already have a great team
Starrai
Well it's better than posting without anything at all
I'd suggest you first choose what you wanna play
And then build around it
I don’t have the general idea of what you want to play
I cannot make you play balance or hard trick room
But I can help you build what I want
I will not choose what you shall play
oh this is what you mean? I wanna play balance or tailroom
So I was thinking about Salamence, Staraptor, Kingambit etc...
Ok good so balance
(tailroom is one of the mainline forms of balance)
So
I have some suggestions if you wanna get inspiration from
Isn’t starrai already tailroom if you just shove a farigiraf in there
https://psim.us/t/2016897-792dgq5ywsifvgib6eph
Balanced stag team
Can be slow or fast paced
(WIP)
https://psim.us/t/2016899-ndklwn9mjd5hfp1s6b8u
I like it, what are some important calcs?
Three modes team
Not optimised
That's why it's wip
I remember someone used swampert over hippowdon and won a tournament
Haven’t done mucb digging, still unsure why that is
Yes kdb
Hippo took place now and has some niche appearances in tournament
I think it's really really under explored
And has some guaranteed match ups into the meta
Anyway
Mega sceptile
Interestinf
https://psim.us/t/2012835-qpn3nxa7tw27quk93j74
Take on new big 6, pure tailwind balance
Rock tomb on Sneasler is another take
One of my more optimised teams
https://psim.us/t/2014491-8312p9w4fw1s7uaghm07
Volcarona endgame team
Im stealing every team you publicly release gamer and you can’t stop me
Wip, but slightly optmised
Im kidding
😂
https://psim.us/t/1998732-44263exjxy7nhbml33wb
And my original version of big 6
I think Dnite version is better
Hope I helped
Ping if you settle on something more specific
Why dnite over mence?
Beats mirror, fixes gambit mus and can set up tailwind in front of fake out
Noted
If you are not satisfied with any of these
Ping me I can find more
But they are different archetypes
I would like to try the "big 6" team but yeah I'm not sure about how good it is in M-C
How does it fix the gambit mus?
It is an m-c team
Rillaboom and grassy seed is right there
I meant with Z Chomp being popular, volcarona etc...
is this officially the 3rd big 6
It's my anticipation and personal take on big 6, in development since the beginning of mc
And I've been correct it seems as it won a major online tournament and is being commonly used on regionals
Is this the best M-Mence team? I like it actually, Floette fixes some issues I have but how does it do against Zard, Psyspam and trick room?
Psyspam and trick room are by far the easiest match ups of the team
Zard is relatively hard and it needs good positioning depending on the structure
And no it's not the best mmence team
The best mmence team should be considered the ugarde psysand team
I like the Mario Bros (Incin and Rilla) Mega Mence is super cool but I'm unsure on how you beat Zard
Again, good positioning, tailwind setup and you have two fake out users and two resists to fire
Just some chip needed and +2 gunk also kills
Otherwise as I already said
Rock tomb Sneasler with white herb probably fixes that match up
And is what the mainline team chose
Over sd
Yeah I'll try that, I'm not the biggest fan of sd sneasler
To each their own
I dont feel like salamence is as oppressive as zard y was tbh
maybe im wrong, but this regulation has had more variety
Defenitely lol
Have you seen what players have been cooking
Gholdengho is there to make it better against Sneasler and it's good being immune to fake out? I like your version of big 6, I'm just working on the ev spreads and moves
When I saw a cybertron vid come out with mega LOPUNNY
I knew we were in for a good time
Is miracle seed common on rilla? My basc is trained to live a max atk adamant grassy glide, but just barely 😬
would ruin my spread
Im pretty sure most rillabooms hold the miracle seed
Yeah like 80-90% use miracle seed afaik
Gonna pray for support rillabooms 🙏
Pretty much all of them
20/32 if you wanna be bulky
But then you're slow
Ty for the help I made a new team! I'm still working on the spreads and am unsure if it's the final one
