Pokémon VGC Team Building Help: Optimize Your Competitive Sq

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Singles, or doubles? What do you currently have in your box? (If showdown, let us know)

doubles and ill send a box list in a bit answering the first question first

why is the moo holding white herb

ye, print is totally fine btw, for the box

so right now "gameplan" isnt exactly concrete but i generally try to use
klefki to cripple scary leads

corviknight to tailwind support and wall

chandelure as a strong fast special offence that helps deal with screens

milotic as a bulky control with icy and muddy to debuff sometimes i run mirror coat over dragon tail for a strong counter

kommo-o is a pokemon that i like and wanna use but im still trying to figure out how to use it effectively as i keep running into ice or fairies that shut me down quick

aegislash is my primary phys attacker and i use him for wide guard which has been rather nice to use

also i havent gotten all the items yet so i just put what fit best from what i had

also Sinischa would fit well giving it back some Hp

I recommend replacing Kings shield for protect

oh is protect better?

ahhhh

This team can be good with a few changes, but you need to decide on an actual direction you want to take it
Cause currently it seems like "yeah these pokemon are here and do stuff" without really complimenting each other

what they said

i mostly do nuzlockes and some competitve semi battles with what i get from those so im not super familar with building from scratch

I think you're better off going with the Iron defense Body press set on Kommoo because the clang... something something is basically just worse Archaludon

other pokemon i have and would be interested in using:
Drampa
Raichu
zoruark (both)
hydreigon
blastoise
ampharos
skarmory
lucario
toxicroak
leafeon
Mamoswine
Dragalge
toxapex
Mawile
Reuniclus
araquanid
Electross
Metagross
Metacham
lycanrock
Hatterene
Rhyperior
Mudsdale
sableye
Scolipede
mimikyu
hisuian Arcanine
infernape
lopunny
Hisuian samurott
sceptile
torterra
salazzle
Gliscor
Runerigus
Grimmsnarl
Glimmora
roserade
armarouge
hisuian goodra
Greninja
whimiscot
Tyranitar

i think this covers most of what i have not including current team members

oof so no sinischa huh

i can try to pull for one im will just havent pulled it uyet

i was going to suggest going for a boomburst set with clang soul

ohh that sounds good but will that ko my own mon?

Sinischa would heal and be immune to boomburst

i have some quick tickets lemme see if i can pull it any other mon i should keep an eye out for?

hmmm

a Fairy type maybe Sylveon or maybe Frosslass as your mega

Sylvoen always good

i got vaniluxe ceruledge archaladon volcarona and annihilape from the pull as un owned mon that i would be interested in

i actually have a sylveon i dont dislike it its just super common but i can run it if it helps the team

frostlass is off limits for me as its a friends ace and we dont really like over lap for star memebers

oh fair enough I guess

damn unfortunate
it would help with aurora vail and another normal immune

yeah my chandelure was actually a direct response to his frostlass as infiltrator and its type lines up nicely into it

anyways i like volcarona and ceruledge most in this pull but are one of the others a definitively better pick?

countering ghost with ghost is really risky

hold on I'm doing chores so i can't really think rn

brb

kk

oh i dont know how viable this is but ive always liked phasing moves like dragon tail whirlwind and roar

i think playing a bulky hazzard team that
switchs out bad matchups
and sets up or sweeps in good ones

while also getting stealth rocks or other hazards to help with that

i think it could be a lot of fun but i dont know if thats an actual strategy or just a fun idea that wouldnt work

Hazard in doubles is almost always a no go. There are too few turns to capitalize on their advantage. The ways to make them work don't really fit with your available pool :/

Phasing is nice vs mons that focus on self boost, though!

dang i was reallly hopeful there i was thinking hippowdon would have been a solid pick for it

The only sand setter really used is Tyranitar, and it runs zero hazard moves.

The mons that set up hazards, end up doing it with attacks. Like Kleavor with Stone Axe or Samurott Hisui with its edge thingy

Your mentality is pretty spot on for singles, though. I assume that is what you are most used to? Bulky headaches that set hazards, give statuses and phase is a tried and true BSS strategy.

ohh ill build that for my dedicated singles set then when i get around to it

I am not at all "in touch" with that meta, but I do know that the team I use to speedrun to ultra ball for ez money gets destroyed by hazards. Lots of u-turns, volt switches, flip turns...

aite back

wb

yeah ive been interested in using it for a while now

there's a few sets you can probably pull off

Either Iron defense
Belly drum
Or clang soul but it's a little worse because there's no throat spray and you don't have sinischa

both drum and soul really benefit from Sinistcha ):

i just did my pulls for today and im flat broke rn but i may be able to catch one or trade for one in home what game is it from?

SV

It's 9th generation, so scarlet and violet. Specifically the Teal Mask DLC.

There's lots more you can work on before this fine tune aspect, though

If you are free to play, you'll always end up running your team in a suboptimal version for a little bit.

didnt buy the dlc unfortunatly ill ask my buddy to catch me one

oh yeah, it's a pretty easy fix if you actually have that possibility lol

i bought the home and champions box expansions because i realized real quick that i had more pokemon i liked than avalible slots

we stan mega sol queen

I hate her
but i respect her

she was in my last season roster!

She's actually so busted low-key

i (someone who believes myself to be decent enough at pokemon) have been floundering in pokeball tier with my current team for like 10 matches so ive come here for help im actually stunned at how bad im doing rn

Team building is hard already
especially since you gave yourself some massive restrictions

totally normal, honestly. Massacring the games can be done with any team with minimal optimization. Then you get to Champions, and everyone has the perfect mons and copying tried and true lists? Yeah, the struggle is pretty real on the whiplash.

also it seems like im more suited to singles potentially with my idea playstyles tho i like doubles more i think

My friend had been trying to get by with a "mons I like and items that are cool" strat, she was hard stuck in pokeball. We had a 2 hour chat about mons she had, basic strats, and made a simple but dangerous team? She immediately 4 win streaked into great ball

no backseat gaming at all! We were hella proud of her

back on topic
once you get a sinischa
You can either go with like
A Bulky Belly drum set
with Drain punch
Dragon claw/rock slide
and protect
with a Sitrus berry

for right now should the tea ghost replace klefki on my current team and is sableye something that can be used in the mean time?

Sinistcha running one of 3 berries; flying, dark or ghost resist.

And he is immune to prankster because of dark type, so big plus.

You need a mega on your team and i recommend mega glimora

It helps deal with fairy types and Charizard

fairy destroys Kommoo so yeah

and you can one shot and out speed any Charizard with mega glimora

metor beam?

no power gem

ohhh

Would you consider Mamoswine with scarf as a decent check, Aro?

Adaptability power gem destroys even the bulkiest Charizard

and you out speed it which is nice

Zard, Aero, venu

Specifically sun Venu.

Ehhh no

not really

You'll still be outspeed by venu and die to solar beam

i think i can do glimmora i just need to earn the mega stone cash for it rq

and if you run thick fat to be neutral to fire you run the risk of being shut down by intimidate

Mamo is a good mon and can work but it's a risky counter

Back to glimora
probably run Max speed max special with 2 HP since you need it as a wall breaker
with sludge bomb
Power gem
spiky shield (it gets that right? i forgot)
and either Earth power for arch
or energy ball for swampert

Does get shield, arch is a bit more common, I think.

ouh yeah sinischa
Just run the basic set of
Matcha
Life dew
Rage powder
protect/shadow ball

glimm is awesome

Also run sound proof on Kommoo so you're immune to fairy hyper voice Sylveon

And perish song

Next you'll probably want some speed control because Kommoo is not fast enough on its own if you're running belly drum

Icy wind Milotic is nice if your opponent is not running one of the 3 abilities: contrary (you boost the speed), defiant (attack boost) or competitive (special attack boost)

Tailwind is safe apart from trick room.

ouh right i forgot to give a set for boomburst

so the team so far is
kammo-o
Milotic
Sinistea
glimmora

Gimme a second I'm cutting my nails lol

nice i won some singles matches and got the mega stone

Wait do you have kingambit

Or talon flame

dang it

i JUST saw a talonflame and got a ceruledge instead

Talon shouldn't be hard to catch and transfer over

also no kingamit but i also dont like that mon very much same vibe as sneseler or basculegion to me bit too meta

unfortunate

but well here

Kommo-o @ Life Orb
Ability: Soundproof
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Clangorous Soul
- Boomburst
- Flamethrower
- Protect

Sinistcha @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Hospitality
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Matcha Gotcha
- Shadow Ball
- Rage Powder
- Life Dew

Glimmora @ Glimmoranite
Ability: Toxic Debris
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Earth Power
- Spiky Shield
- Sludge Bomb
- Power Gem

Sableye @ Roseli Berry
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 116 Def / 140 SpD
Careful Nature
- Encore
- Fake Out
- Quash
- Disable

Mamoswine @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Oblivious
EVs: 100 HP / 252 Atk / 156 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Ice Shard
- High Horsepower
- Icicle Crash
- Rock Slide

Talonflame @ Focus Sash
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Brave Bird
- Tailwind
- Quick Guard
- Protect

this is my idea for a clang soul set team

let me make another one for belly drum

Kommo-o @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Soundproof
EVs: 156 HP / 100 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Belly Drum
- Rock Slide
- Drain Punch
- Protect

Sinistcha @ Coba Berry
Ability: Hospitality
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Matcha Gotcha
- Shadow Ball
- Rage Powder
- Life Dew

Glimmora @ Glimmoranite
Ability: Toxic Debris
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Earth Power
- Spiky Shield
- Sludge Bomb
- Power Gem

Sableye @ Roseli Berry
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 116 Def / 140 SpD
Careful Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Encore
- Light Screen
- Quash
- Reflect

Mamoswine @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Oblivious
EVs: 100 HP / 252 Atk / 156 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Ice Shard
- High Horsepower
- Icicle Crash
- Rock Slide

Talonflame @ Focus Sash
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Brave Bird
- Tailwind
- Quick Guard
- Protect

prob something like this

it's not perfect and the evs aren't exact because idk how to convert it in showdown

let me know if you have some questions about it

also should probably get someone else to look this over just for more opinions

im liking this for the most part my questions are
is mamo absolute? i love the mon but my friend has it as well

is there any room for any of the old mon on my team such as milotic or aegislash because this team is def what i want for kammo-o and im tots gonna use it but it left everyone else behind

and how should i pick who to bring match to match are there any dedicated leads?

Oblivious also helps against incin and threatens it with high horse
same with sneasler

i mean icy wind

yeah i think ill try that

Or garchomp leads with ice crash

if you have any other questions ask away
and again probably ask for more opinions

for now ill try climbing with this and tell ya how it goes

still gotta wait on that sinistea

good luck