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The FriendZone | Make Friends & Chat ⋅ Active Social Fun ⋅ Chill ⋅ VC community recently held a thought-provoking debate regarding the intersection of feminism and religious laws. Members discussed the complexities of gender equality, the portrayal of feminism on social media, and the reality of women's rights in various global contexts. This discussion highlights the server's commitment to hosting open, challenging, and diverse conversations in a social environment.
I may sound unintelligent by making this post without deeper research .
but I've seen a lot of debates and quotes from the Quran putting the Maile gender above females, mentioning specifics promised to men in paradise and not so much for women.
there may be contexts (pls make us understand, if Ure a Muslim)
Anyways many feminists don't even know what they are fighting for.. they just hate men
Shouldn't Feminists start by fighting the Muslim Laws on women
ah ha
That's like World War
'Anyways many feminists don't even know what they are fighting for.. they just hate men'
You mean the feminists you see on tik tok?
understood.
then most people making content mostly on tiktok are just not real feminists
bcs I could swear that I want equal rights for women too and I don't think that's what they're pushing for
uhm.. yes,
so they are not real feminists
maybe attention seekers cus wtf
notice that I never said all
"most" may also be wrong so, I'm wrong either way
so ..
new question.
who are those women then, them women's on tiktok, "Divine Feminists"
They aren’t real feminists then
Feminism ≠ man haters
name one rule that makes Christianity mysoginistic, while you defend Muslim?
where women sometimes not allowed to show their faces ?
you don't wanna debate that
100%
In Afghanistan and in many other places in this modern world women don't have rights at all.
Women are restricted freedom of movement, restrictive dress codes, no protection from violence, forced underaged marriages.
It gets worse
Love you for this
wait.. are we talking like general oppression of women or.. Muslim?
Sorry, are muslim women not women?
uhmm
yeah no, I'm just trying to understand.
yes women are oppressed and yes Muslim women are even more oppressed imo
I just wanna understand the point still.
yo finish up your text before typing on the other chat😭
chilll
holy sht
but then again women have suffered greatly from patriarchy.
imagine always seen as below your husband, or any male at all, even your son.
women fought for it, they got it..partially, cus yes I think they are still oppressed.
but then they started going off track.
equal pay, and the way they just think.
you mentioned sports ,I'm hoping Ure not talking about the pay lol
lost my point cus I'm trying to make too many points -
women are oppressed.
women has the right to hate men.
they should be treated equally.
they should get what they deserve - not extra.. just bcs Ure a women
I agree with 3/4 here
Women are opressed yes. They should be treated equally yes and they should get what they deserve
But hating men isn't going to solve anything for them.
Nobody has the right to hate anybody.
Hate just produces more hate and the loop continues
I said give me 10 minutes because I had something else to do. I just pointed out how your question was less about women liberation and more about measuring strengths.
And you skipped how I mentioned we statistically have 64% of the legal rights men get
This isn't my reply to your question yet. But first try to think like less of a misogynist and more like a person trying to understand why real feminism is still needed
it isn't going to solve anything.. yes
but they do have the right to hate men.
understand, hating on men would make you hate even the innocent once who wasn't even born or didn't take part in the oppression, and would never even do it ( already happening, some women saying they would abor.t Their kid if he was a boy)
if u were .. assaulted by someone you would hate them, now imagine a lifetime of oppression,.
I'm not saying they should, but they have the right to.
then again like you said, it would only make things worse for humanity, genders wars and stuff.
cite your sources though.. for the 64%
sure but the links I try to send aren't allowed her
I'm going to think about this for a long time and then I will forget to reply.
What gives anyone a right to hate somebody? Can hatred ever be justified?
hatred can be justified.
moral and emotional intelligence teaches you to forgive and/or understand why they did what they did.
Ehhh I don't know
Have to think
hatred is an emotional reaction of someone else action or reaction.. or inaction.
it's like a mirror, you don't control it, you can actually with years of training yourself to understand that people have reasons for what they do and may not even know that they hurt you.
the same way a cut sends signals to ur brain to let you know u have a cut, hatred, is an emotional response to someone elses reaction.
And while you're all busy talking about misandry, which isn't feminism, as I already explained, you seem to forget that misogyny has cost countless women their lives and is one of the foundations upon which patriarchy is built.
We live in a world where misogyny remains pervasive, yet many of you appear more concerned with bruised egos and arguments about splitting bills while women are still fighting for the liberation of other women who, in many parts of the world, are not even regarded as fully human simply because they are women.
You seem to care more about TikTok feminists than the very reason feminism exists.
you understood only half of what I said earlier. Honestly, if I respond properly, it will have to be tomorrow because it's already 12 a.m. here.
And if you want to bring physical strength into this discussion, I'll have you know there are many women who are anatomically stronger than some of the men I encounter every day. Yet are those women trying to establish dominion over men?
Invoking physical strength in a discussion about equal rights is absurd.
You're bringing the creation of mankind into this while conveniently forgetting that, according to the biblical account, woman was created from man's rib, from his side rather than from his feet. The symbolism suggests neither inferiority nor subjugation.
Although, interpretations of this are subjective.
You want to talk about authority? Look at the countless wars, conflicts, and atrocities initiated by men pursuing power, dominance, or wounded pride. Look at the statistics regarding the number of women and even men who have died as a consequence of this so-called authority.
What's particularly ironic about this is how readily you generalize men as strong based on biology, history, and statistical trends, yet object when men are stereotyped as misogynistic or harmful based on historical patterns, statistics, and empirical evidence.
Women still do not enjoy complete equality, yet is ignorantly asking why women aren't applying for labour-intensive jobs, even though I have personally seen women across Africa performing such work.
Talmbout "ignoring hard labour" while disregarding gender-based employment discrimination and wage inequality is intellectually dishonest.
Women endure menstruation, severe cramps, childbirth, dehumanisation, and often physically demanding labour on top of all that. Reassess your line of reasoning.
And genuinely, there is no reason to regard the positions women demand access to as somehow "higher" when these are the exact same opportunities that men have historically been granted with far fewer obstacles.
If you stopped viewing the issue through a misogynistic lens, you would stop comparing splitting bills to equal rights. Especially when men continue to claim superiority through narratives that portray them as inherently greater, more capable, the default breadwinners, and the natural prot