Dragonite & Gardevoir VGC Team Building Help
Summary
The Pokémon Champions | VGC Battles & Tournaments server is hosting a community discussion on optimizing a Dragonite and Gardevoir VGC team. Members are analyzing synergy issues, debating the utility of Mamoswine and Rotom-Wash, and seeking advice on move sets for Aegislash. This thread provides valuable insights for competitive players looking to refine their team compositions and improve their performance in the current format.
Dragonite has quickly became my favourite mega simply bcause it is rly hard to remove and has utility. I originally tried dragonite venasaur and then dragonite scissor but I found that I lacked spread damage.
So recently I paired dragonite with an old favourite of gardevoir, but the team feels like something is wrong with it but I ain't completely sure
https://pokepast.es/139ca716d3656798
Gard and Dragonite are fairly self explainatory. When I added back dragon pulse to my old draco meteor set I found I just kept clicking dragon pulse so I put protect on dragonite. Gard is a reg bulky tr set.
I felt like I needed something like scissor for those setup floette raidboss teams but scissor itself just felt off without the mega so I used aegislash. Incin is using roar to give more tools against setup, perish and hard tr. Mamoswine is just rly underutilised in the format in my opinion, ya it dies quickly but it hits a lot of pokemon for super effective.
Rotom wash is by far the most suspect pokemon. Screens is rly good util but it doesn't feel like it does much aside from that. I could run scarf but unlike dragonite I know that I prefer a way to protect gardevoir since it is weak to a lot of common pokemon.
Any suggestions on what I should fix are welcome
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Only issue I can see is mamoswine not appreciating the screens
Aegislashes moveset seems kinda limited I guess they usually run iron head over poltergeist?
I do rly wish I could put redirection somewhere for gardevoir but I don't know what I would replace
How often are you clicking wide guard ?
Not that often tbh
That might be the weak slot
But also Mamo for something similar that’s bulkier I think would be cool
Mamo in general is cool just idk if he likes screens that much
Mamowsine usually dies in like 1 or 2 turns no matter what support it has
Yeah lol and you can’t have garchomp I think because you have dnite
The fairies will love you haha
The frosslass's would be even more happy
True lol!
Would swords dance make sense on aegislash to combst incin switches?
What would you replace for it ? It would need to be wide guard ?
Ya wide gaurd
And then like iron head over poltergeist
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2623319205
Definetly not a perfect game but swords dance feels good
And I also switched to scarf rotom so the team feels faster. My gardevoir mode might be worse but I keep playing charizard y teams so I can't tell yet
Ok I am just not using trick room
Which is bad bcause I kinda feel forced to bring dragonite to every game even when I plan on mega'ing gardevoir
My options are to either use vacuum wave, or find a way to fit volcorona or sinistcha so I can get trick room up more consistantly
And not be under threat of just dying when trick room is up
Incin is a good option to get tr up
Fake out the threat
Well ya in theory you would be correct
But if my opponent leads sneasler, kingambit, basculegion, farigraf or milotic then incin doesn't rly threaten them
Kingambit and milotic are both especial nucenses bcause they both get a stat boost and are slower than most of my team if not all
And god forbid they lead a prankster mon, then all of a sudden by gardevoir can't setup trick room without being encore'd the next turn
Yeah that is a thing unfortunately
Maybe lord forbid I say a farig with colbur berry.
Is kinda the set up I have I don’t rely on my hat to set tr it’s farigs just but it’s not to have the secondary back up option
I used to use farig with my older gard teams
But I found that aside from armour tail, both farig and gard kinda do the exact same thing and are weak to the exact same things
Are they ?
Maybe I’m not thinking about it right but I swear they share no weaknesses ?
I think psychic fairy is neutral against dark
Technically yes but rly doesn't feel that way
I aint using ally switch
I don't want my opponents to hate me that much
Haha respect lol
Depends how you build the farig
Mines a defensive beast
And only runs twin beam
Makes it different to my hat who is very similar to garde haha besides the speed
I do think I need another trick room setter and Ik farig is rly consistant
Tea cup isn’t a option just checked then haha
Unless you do the heatproof version
At that point tsareena makes more sense to me
Ok I'll try to fit farig into the team, without comprimising too much
The only pokemon I can rly replace are like mamoswine and rotom
And mamoswine just hits like everybody for dupereffective so I think I'll remove rotom
My farigraf will just start levitating dw
Mamos typing is most offensive in game or whatever
Besides I think rotom ice ? I think ice and electric might be able to actually hit even more
Something like that
Mamo basically never kills anything aside from sneasler in one hit unless it crits, but it puts almost everything on red so an ice shard can ko them before they move the next turn
Yeah I loved him when their was heaps of landos around
He counters them kinda beautifully
https://pokepast.es/a45c396c6847e47e
This is what I made
Not rly sure on the item for farig so I put lum berry as place holder
It does have a lot of modes , lot of options seems to be good at the moment
I like colbur
I can on showdown
Ya I'm ready
IBstudios
Try now
I decided to try using sneasler and volcorona over farig and incin
Since farig was working but not easily
It feels rly good having volcorona again
But sneasler doesn't feel great
Ik it sounds kinda stupid but I can just run zero fake out mons
I tried the other one with farig incin and I think I was just being a bit to harsh on it
How this person kept his composure and didn't crash out on me inside the showdown chat is beyond me - https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2624839516
What tf was this game - https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2625487615
I found someone who likes dragonite even more than I do - https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2625504951-ujaoht6ehvgo8d6lgl1leblsjmmf587pw
Incin would have been insane for that matchup
?
Well ya but I don't need another trick room setter
She’s really cool I compare her to hatterene alot
T-T
Thats long been kinda fixed
Okok - https://pokepast.es/ba621cbc86cb267d
Sure
Either works tbh
The team isn't rly surprised based
IBstudios is the username
I was so confused
Gg
Gg
Ik
I was worried abt poltergeist
Willow wisp is dangerous and all but swords dance can kinda counteract it so its not the worst thing in the world
I rly miss amoongus tbh
I used to use a clear smog amoongus set to defeat dondozo
It would be rly useful here as well
But it aint in the game rn 🙁
If only regular gengar was actually useful
Actually I do have an idea
If I use helping hand over protect on sinistcha I can still hit them rly hard even if they calm mind
Or I could use it over trick room
Wait shoot sinistcha doesn't have helping hand 💀
I don't like maushold
I don't know what it is but I just don't like him
I can use curse but that is random targetting
Nvm its not random targetting
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2625755961-t0clxybnv8iig7cx1i57kyy4uqulsempw
It works insanely well
I had my first semi mirror match - https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2626271060-3542b6f5tjos8cx5paud7x0pou95421pw
Does corv make more sense here than aegislash?
I like swords stance aegislash a lot but the tripple ghost weakness is difficult to deal with
Corv is hard to beat unless you need wide gaurd
I’ve seen bulk up corv win so many tours
Ik, I constantly play against matchups where gard would destroy but then corv comes out in the endgame and I just lose
Whats like the best set for corv tho?
Corv was leftovers
Bulk up protect brave bird iron defence
Can’t remember last slot
Tailwind/roost/iron head from what Ik
Could I replace protect with tailwind and have iron head too?
Hmmm I really don’t know . Guess it depends what you want
Roost makes it that almost impossible to kill Corv
Heard someone say taunt
Iron head makes sense with bulk up
That’s how I see it win tours
If they don’t have an answer left it just wins it seems
Wait lemme check if it survives the stupid basc last respects
It would I think
Might be wrong
This thing can survive x3 last respects?
What tf
Oh nvm the calc was suggesting max hp max def
lol ! Seems the roost variant would enjoy being stuck with a basc
I wonder if one does 50+?
Does roost heal 50% or 100%
50%
Well Imma try it
Secondary tailwind is useful
After a bulk up all them calcs change again
should be fine
Omfg
Corv is actually rly good for that hawlucha perish team
It can ohko hawlucha if I train it and outspeed it in tailwind, which I can pair with incin to get it gauranteed
You can just bulk up in front of lax and sweep most likely
Perish
