Build a Winning Steel-Type VGC Team | Pokémon Champions

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The Pokémon Champions | VGC Battles & Tournaments server community collaborates on building a competitive Steel-type VGC team featuring Mega Metagross. This discussion highlights strategic team synergy, including essential counters for Fire and Ground types, while offering shiny hunting services as a reward for expert team building contributions. It is a great resource for players looking to optimize their competitive rosters.

snowyledger-70 OP

​Hey guys!
​I need a team builder for a Steel-type Gym team (for future use/personal play).

​Format: Pokemon Champions VGC
​
​Would like to include: Mega Metagross

​Since this is for a Steel-type Gym, the Ace will serve as my "one allowed non-Steel type." You have 100% creative freedom for the rest of the team! I’d just love a quick explanation of the synergy and how to play it.

​Thanks in advance!

( In return in can shiny hunt any pokemon you want ):Meowscarda_ValkrixVGC:

merrykitten-85
@snowyledger-70 ​Hey guys! ​I need a team builder for a Steel-type Gym team (for future use/personal play). ​Format…
silvercactus-53

So can I ask for an encounter clip of the shiny I want

silvercactus-53

And how much can I torture you with the reward :smile:

@silvercactus-53 And how much can I torture you with the reward
snowyledger-70 OP

Yes, simple yes

snowyledger-70 OP

I can hunt ANY shiny you want

@silvercactus-53 So can I ask for an encounter clip of the shiny I want
silvercactus-53

And as for this?

@snowyledger-70 I can hunt ANY shiny you want
snowyledger-70 OP

If you build my team 🤗

@silvercactus-53 And as for this?
snowyledger-70 OP

Yes ANY shiny

silvercactus-53

Yeah I got that, is the recording of the encounter clip possible

silvercactus-53

Like hold down the record button on console

silvercactus-53

When you find it

silvercactus-53

The 30 sec clip

snowyledger-70 OP

Ig ye, like I'm doing the hatching method so oki

snowyledger-70 OP

but how do i know when will shiny hatch?

snowyledger-70 OP

Wait.... are you doing this only for shiny pokemon? Like you can just go to #🔄|trade_center and ask me there

calmgrove-98

So 5 steel types and one non steel right ?

snowyledger-70 OP

Yes

calmgrove-98

Does it have to be kinda related to steel type ?

calmgrove-98

like rock, ground, stuff like this ?

snowyledger-70 OP

No it doesn't. Im looking for something that can counter steal counters ( ground, fire, etc.. ) and good synergy with others

silvercactus-53

https://pokepast.es/6bec0a5036e6b95b

@snowyledger-70 Wait.... are you doing this only for shiny pokemon? Like you can just go to and ask me there
silvercactus-53

Nah I'm a teambuilder

@silvercactus-53 https://pokepast.es/6bec0a5036e6b95b
silvercactus-53

This might be decent

silvercactus-53

I really wanted to somehow make support luc

silvercactus-53

But it can't do that sadly

silvercactus-53

Man this Mon wants coaching so much

calmgrove-98

https://pokepast.es/5e5858aa4bbd140d

Here's the best thing I could do.

You have speed control with Corviknight, also allowing you to deal with Garchomp and EQ abusers. The EVS are to make sure you get 75% chance of surviving a +1 electroshot from bulky archaludon, and guarantee 3HKO from Sneasler Close Combat.

Metagross is classic, with psychic fangs to get rid of walls and stomping tantrum to cover weaknesses.

Gholdengo scarf as a revenge killer with Power Gem to deal with Charizard Y

32+ SpA Gholdengo Power Gem vs. 2 HP / 0 SpD Mega Charizard Y: 180-216 (116.1 - 139.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

and Tbolt for Rain and Staraptor

32+ SpA Gholdengo Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 2 SpD Mega Staraptor: 124-146 (77.5 - 91.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
32+ SpA Gholdengo Thunderbolt vs. +1 0 HP / 2 SpD Mega Staraptor: 82-98 (51.2 - 61.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Orthworm is your pivot, allowing you to spam earthquake with Excadrill + Sandstorm setter, and can Shed Tail pass to other. Max SpD to make him tank as much as possible.

Excadrill can be used to finish the game as a late game sweeper

And finally the non steel type is Ceruledge Flash Fire, it will help you against Sun Teams mainly.

The only concern I have is against Swampert Mega, I'll try to find something better later bc right now i gotta go 😄

@calmgrove-98 https://pokepast.es/5e5858aa4bbd140d Here's the best thing I could do. You have speed control with…
snowyledger-70 OP

Bro cooked, rl good team tbf. 1 question who do and start in what scenarios? Still thx, what shiny do you want?

silvercactus-53

https://pokepast.es/5a4fd588d4660713

This is my version, metagross mega as main wallbreaker with lucario holding a scarf and having coaching to boost it once or twice or final gambit the biggest threat to your monotype team, rock tomb might provide speed control in some situations, can replace with like heal pulse for Archaludon ig or an attacking move whatever fits your playstyle, you won't click it often anyway. Pelipper seems like good support with wide guard to protect vs the ground types and weather ball to deal with them, as well as weakening every fire type and having weather control. Klefki is nice in full rain match ups, pretty much a sableye than can actually deal spread with dazzling gleam in specific situations. Aegi is there for revenge killing Pokémon that are low as well as punishing staraptor mega together with pelipper, nice lead into starphox.

silvercactus-53

Yuh that's probably all

silvercactus-53

Two Immunes to intim and three specials as well as rain so fine into incin

silvercactus-53

https://pokepast.es/b8b1223f533503a9

silvercactus-53

Like this is probably good enough

silvercactus-53

Lemme test

silvercactus-53

Oh I didn't ev metagross oops

silvercactus-53

Just jolly max max probably

silvercactus-53

Here yeah

silvercactus-53

No need to be fancy

snowyledger-70 OP

Ok so now i have 1 options:
1. Meta big hitters team
2. Tactical non-meta team

silvercactus-53

Who is who

snowyledger-70 OP

The problem is... I can't use the choice scarf... i'll figure it out

@silvercactus-53 Who is who
snowyledger-70 OP

1 is 1 and 2 is 2

@snowyledger-70 The problem is... I can't use the choice scarf... i'll figure it out
silvercactus-53

Why

snowyledger-70 OP

Because 1 has goldengo, excadrill, corvinite and 2 has klefki, Aegislash

snowyledger-70 OP

Im not saying one of them is bad. But 2 different fighting styles

snowyledger-70 OP

And I also have more questions about this:
1. Who to lead in what scenarios
2. Will clefki survive to set light screen, reflect and rain dance?
3. Why do i need peliper and klefki with rain dance,
4. I don't have good counter against grass teams, Snizler? Ith?

snowyledger-70 OP

I'll try to figure it out because as I said we have hevy hitters and strategi team. :smile:

snowyledger-70 OP

What shiny do you want? :intherain:

silvercactus-53

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regmb-2664729936-vngwur31ttwegx93hktlwoj89mcgmpcpw

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regmb-2664731933-72rbuvwm79db2c39p3xk7q6n7j081yopw

@snowyledger-70 And I also have more questions about this: 1. Who to lead in what scenarios 2. Will clefki survive…
silvercactus-53

Klefki is bulky enough and usually gets ignored

silvercactus-53

Grass just gets resisted by steel

silvercactus-53

And all your Mons don't have trouble breaking

silvercactus-53

Klefki gets rain in front of yard

@silvercactus-53 Klefki gets rain in front of yard
snowyledger-70 OP

So should I start with klefki or peliper?

@snowyledger-70 So should I start with klefki or peliper?
silvercactus-53

It depends on the match up

silvercactus-53

Idk how to explain you what to do in each and every 🕜

silvercactus-53

One*

@silvercactus-53 https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regmb-2664729936-vngwur31ttwegx93hktlwoj89mc…
snowyledger-70 OP

My internet 😭

snowyledger-70 OP

I CAN'T

snowyledger-70 OP

Frick

silvercactus-53

I can try testing and sharing the replays

@silvercactus-53 I can try testing and sharing the replays
snowyledger-70 OP

Like you can play for example 5 rounds and see, idk

snowyledger-70 OP

But for the best part... what shiny do you want :cool:

snowyledger-70 OP

:cool:

@snowyledger-70 But for the best part... what shiny do you want
silvercactus-53

So uh I don't really mind that part, any chance you have a masuda ditto though

silvercactus-53

Like a spare one

silvercactus-53

Game's in English

@silvercactus-53 So uh I don't really mind that part, any chance you have a masuda ditto though
snowyledger-70 OP

I have 3 of them, like whole thing is his game name is English as counter part pokemon?

snowyledger-70 OP

I will be the gratest *metal bender in the word

@snowyledger-70 I have 3 of them, like whole thing is his game name is English as counter part pokemon?
silvercactus-53

No his game name should not be English

snowyledger-70 OP

https://klipy.com/gifs/toph-beifong-1

silvercactus-53

It should be anything else

silvercactus-53

As a counter part Pokémon

@silvercactus-53 It should be anything else
snowyledger-70 OP

Well yes, what did I write?

snowyledger-70 OP

Mb

@snowyledger-70 Bro cooked, rl good team tbf. 1 question who do and start in what scenarios? Still thx, what shiny…
calmgrove-98

Thanks ! For sun team I'd start with Ceruledge + scarf gholdengo (if they don't have whim), and then in the back metagross + corv

Trick room (farigiraf + fake out) you start with Ceruledge for instant pressure and ghost type and potentially gholdengo, a bitter blade + make it rain should Ohko farigiraf, I didn't calc yet and I'm outside rn :/

Heavy Offence (starphox, floette...) Ceruledge takes care of all of them and can set up, you bring him + metagross + corv and ghold I'd say

And rain is really tricky because you don't have anything to tank a Swampert, imma have to figure out this

calmgrove-98

And don't worry about the shiny I don't need any haha, I just do this for the love of the game, I like to build 😁

snowyledger-70 OP

MY INTERNET

snowyledger-70 OP

Frick

snowyledger-70 OP

Wait

snowyledger-70 OP

I can type

snowyledger-70 OP

NO WAY

@calmgrove-98 And don't worry about the shiny I don't need any haha, I just do this for the love of the game, I l…
snowyledger-70 OP

Ok so thx

snowyledger-70 OP

I will shiny hunt wooper for you

snowyledger-70 OP

Just what version?

@calmgrove-98 Thanks ! For sun team I'd start with Ceruledge + scarf gholdengo (if they don't have whim), and the…
snowyledger-70 OP

Ye the swamper will be a problem and Snizler

snowyledger-70 OP

But if i lead with metagros Snizler can't do anything

calmgrove-98

Sneasler can't hit Gholdengo, and you can kill him with Metagross and Corv so it's fine, but yeah Swampert seems like a tough one

@silvercactus-53 Two Immunes to intim and three specials as well as rain so fine into incin
snowyledger-70 OP

Lucario is like glass cannon, close combat? Finally gambit?

snowyledger-70 OP

Ik i will build 2 teams and let yall know what do i think

snowyledger-70 OP
  • mabey in the future i will dm you about the teams, it gets confusing
snowyledger-70 OP

When i get back from the beach

@snowyledger-70 Lucario is like glass cannon, close combat? Finally gambit?
silvercactus-53

It's a support Pokémon really

silvercactus-53

Should be max hp

silvercactus-53

Finals gambit to beat the threats to steel types

silvercactus-53

Coaching for metagross

snowyledger-70 OP

Ok but then I have 3 supports, klefki, peliper and lucario

snowyledger-70 OP

++ people will see my team before the mach

applelizard-61

I think having 3 supports ain't bad

snowyledger-70 OP

++ people will see my team before the mach

@applelizard-61 I think having 3 supports ain't bad
snowyledger-70 OP

That leaves only 3 offensive + klefki and Peliper both are setting rain.

snowyledger-70 OP

But I don't know anything about Pokemon so idk

@snowyledger-70 That leaves only 3 offensive + klefki and Peliper both are setting rain.
applelizard-61

Lucario can still be semi offensive

snowyledger-70 OP

He is scarfed so i havr to chose, help or hit

applelizard-61

Still it's not full support

applelizard-61

So it can be double

snowyledger-70 OP

Yee

applelizard-61

What's the set on it

snowyledger-70 OP

As I said i'll try and we will find out.

applelizard-61

That's the spirit

snowyledger-70 OP

Although I still think both teams are great 🤗

@applelizard-61 That's the spirit
snowyledger-70 OP

I will be the grates steel type leader

snowyledger-70 OP

One day

@snowyledger-70 I will be the grates steel type leader
applelizard-61

Let's see it in action when you come for the badge

@snowyledger-70 I will be the grates steel type leader
snowyledger-70 OP

Fricking auto correct

@applelizard-61 Let's see it in action when you come for the badge
snowyledger-70 OP

I will (the problem is there is no steel badge )

snowyledger-70 OP

Maybe they will add

@snowyledger-70 I will (the problem is there is no steel badge )
applelizard-61

It's the current gym leaders in the future there is a high chance of them being added

snowyledger-70 OP

🥹

snowyledger-70 OP

I just realized. Poor poison gym leader

@snowyledger-70 I just realized. Poor poison gym leader
applelizard-61

Oh don't worry about him

snowyledger-70 OP

That's the whole thing

applelizard-61

He will be fine

snowyledger-70 OP

Btw who is the poison gym leader?

applelizard-61

Wait I think

@applelizard-61 He will be fine
snowyledger-70 OP

I hope :omg:

@snowyledger-70 I hope
applelizard-61

You won't be happy

@applelizard-61 You won't be happy
snowyledger-70 OP

Why?

@snowyledger-70 Why?
ivoryunicorn-80

Nothing nothing

@snowyledger-70 Why?
applelizard-61

Not gonna spoil it

applelizard-61

Its a surprise

ivoryunicorn-80

Just prepare for it

applelizard-61

Yup

snowyledger-70 OP

I have type advantage......

@ivoryunicorn-80 Nothing nothing
snowyledger-70 OP

Okay, now I'm scared :headhurts:

applelizard-61

Good luck in your conquest friend

@applelizard-61 Good luck in your conquest friend
snowyledger-70 OP

It will definitely come in handy 🫡

applelizard-61

I shall wait for you to come

snowyledger-70 OP

Can't wait to get destroyed :iseeyou:

@snowyledger-70 Can't wait to get destroyed
applelizard-61

You are planning on going mono type

@applelizard-61 You are planning on going mono type
snowyledger-70 OP

Yes

snowyledger-70 OP

Only steel

@snowyledger-70 Yes
applelizard-61

Brave will be noted

@applelizard-61 Brave will be noted
snowyledger-70 OP

The thing is, if I get badges with just the steel team, maybe they will add me 🥹.

snowyledger-70 OP

Then I won't be just a shiny hunter

@snowyledger-70 The thing is, if I get badges with just the steel team, maybe they will add me 🥹.
applelizard-61

Maybe we will see

@applelizard-61 Maybe we will see
snowyledger-70 OP

"Dream big, because if you fall, you might grab onto something" - me

snowyledger-70 OP

This is interesting strategy

snowyledger-70 OP

My internet is as ig

snowyledger-70 OP

I can't type

snowyledger-70 OP

I will shiny hunt wooper for u

snowyledger-70 OP

Bruh my internet 💀

snowyledger-70 OP

@silvsarl i will give you wooper

snowyledger-70 OP

i can shiny hunt woopet for you

calmgrove-98

nah don't worry I'm fine 😄

@calmgrove-98 nah don't worry I'm fine 😄
snowyledger-70 OP

And btw, now that I have your attention (it wasn't intentional) why don't we use tinkaton?

calmgrove-98

I thought about tinkaton first bc of mold breaker fake out

calmgrove-98

but the only thing I found it useful was for trick room, but trick room is not a threat for your team

calmgrove-98

(ceruledge and gholdengo)

@calmgrove-98 nah don't worry I'm fine 😄
snowyledger-70 OP

It wasn't a question, it was a statement. I will shiny hunt wooper for you and evolve it to Quagsire

calmgrove-98

I already have Quagsire tho

@calmgrove-98 but the only thing I found it useful was for trick room, but trick room is not a threat for your te…
snowyledger-70 OP

Smart

@calmgrove-98 I already have Quagsire tho
snowyledger-70 OP

Shiny?

calmgrove-98

yeah, clodsire and quagsire haha

snowyledger-70 OP

Hmmmmm

calmgrove-98

but if you really really wanna shiny hunt someone, you can either shiny hunt grookey (hoping that rillaboom comes in M-C) or see with the staff if they wana host a small tournament with a shiny prize for the winner

calmgrove-98

and then shiny hunt this future prize

snowyledger-70 OP

I can do both

calmgrove-98

Imma have to do some raids soon, I ran out of herba mystica 🙁

calmgrove-98

just finished shiny hunting every pokemon for Champions like a week ago

@calmgrove-98 Imma have to do some raids soon, I ran out of herba mystica 🙁
snowyledger-70 OP

I did it yesterday... for exp candy too

calmgrove-98

Yeah I'm out of xp candy too haha

calmgrove-98

but normal encounter lvl 2 for bliss / chansey in the north will do it

calmgrove-98

I already started to shiny hunt some pokemons I expect will be releasing in M-C, Mega Bax, amoonguss etc

@calmgrove-98 I already started to shiny hunt some pokemons I expect will be releasing in M-C, Mega Bax, amoongus…
snowyledger-70 OP

Idk I haven't started yet. Today I will be building teams + my old one was good

snowyledger-70 OP

I'll see what Pokemon are there and I'll start too

calmgrove-98

if you need help building teams feel free to ping me 🙂

snowyledger-70 OP

I will dw

snowyledger-70 OP

Wait what steel pokemon will be in M-C?

calmgrove-98

We don't know yet, but we can assume M-C will play around terrain war, so I expect Rillaboom, Indeedee, and probably Galarian Weezing to come back, and then the missing Megas : bax, nigirigon, zeraora, salamence, lati@s,

calmgrove-98

I don't know if they are planning to release the new Z Megas but that'd be dope as hell !

calmgrove-98

Oh maybe Lucario Z and Heatran then

@applelizard-61 Wait I think
briskbadger-60

I'll be fine, I'll make my 2nd team full of corrosion 😂😂

briskbadger-60

https://youtu.be/rbqHBuphf_o?si=jQAhCFkjfwAS6oeS

@briskbadger-60 https://youtu.be/rbqHBuphf_o?si=jQAhCFkjfwAS6oeS
briskbadger-60
royalstream-47

I was just going to see that video

@briskbadger-60
snowyledger-70 OP

Very cool vid

snowyledger-70 OP

tho it's in single battle

snowyledger-70 OP

and VCS is in 2v2

@snowyledger-70 and VCS is in 2v2
briskbadger-60

Oh I just saw the title hahaha

briskbadger-60

Sorry

@briskbadger-60 Sorry
snowyledger-70 OP

Its still cool vid

snowyledger-70 OP

btw how can I record my battles?

@silvercactus-53 https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regmb-2664729936-vngwur31ttwegx93hktlwoj89mc…
snowyledger-70 OP

.

merrykitten-85

On showdown ? Once the battle ends theirs an option under that battle screen on the right side. Like upload replay or something like that

@merrykitten-85 On showdown ? Once the battle ends theirs an option under that battle screen on the right side. Lik…
snowyledger-70 OP

Thx :thumbsup:

snowyledger-70 OP

No neverminde im to stupid

merrykitten-85

Hahaha I’ll try show you rq

merrykitten-85

Build a Winning Steel-Type VGC Team | Pokémon Champions

merrykitten-85

You see download replay, then beneath that

merrykitten-85

Upload and share

merrykitten-85

Click that and it’ll give you a link to copy and paste

snowyledger-70 OP

Ok, thx, I've never played Pokemon Showdown. But I'll post my progress.

snowyledger-70 OP

( It's not like I thought there was such an option in Pokemon Champions 💀 )

snowyledger-70 OP

ok so this is my opinion about the team:

Cons:
- This team is neither too fast nor too slow, so in trick room im getting destroyed or fast pokemon will kill me.
- Corviknight is never used because of orthworm and his Ability to resist eart moves
- Orthworm doesn't need protect, because: people won't target him, he has citrus berry, shed tail, etc... so mabey helping hand? Or smth?
- Ceruledge colbur berry is rarely used
- I didn't see mega swampert so idk BUT Snizler is killing me :ahhh:
- idk if it my skill ( or lack of it ) but if Orthworm is slow he won't set up sandstorm in time so excarldrill can move faster, he would be dead or on 1 HP
- Venusaur will earth power Ceruledge before sword dance
- would need more priority moves ( idk )

Pros:
- Almost everyone has a great move set
- the synergy is very good
- Orthworm can use shed tail and eat citrus berry ( so no draw back )
- I hate choice scarf BUT goldengo is killing everything with it so 🙂
- Metagross has the answer to almost everything
- I FRICK LOVE ORTHWORM

I usually start with Orthworm + Goldengo/ Excarldrill ( ofc if it's not some crazy team ). Orthworm does its job when the opponent focuses on the expensive Pokemon (usually Earthquake, which helps Orthworm ). Metagross + Ceruledge in the back. Out of 10 games played, I won 6, so I guess it's going well for the first time 😉

( I rl wanted to find more more pros than cons so as not to discourage you srr + I'm sure I made so many mistakes in this message)

snowyledger-70 OP

opinion on your team:

Cons:

  • These 3 supports still annoy me. Because Aegislash is not that good in most of the matchups so i have to chose do i need 3 sup and 1 atack or 2 sup and 2 atack week to ground.
  • Everything has fighting move so we need to change this
  • When I leave, I have to decide whether I'm going with Klefki + something or Peliper + something.
  • Peliper needs less time to set up everything which gives him the ability to attack faster, tho klefki is a better support. But he won't be ignored for 3 turns
  • I have no answer for earth moves
  • Because Lucario has a choice scarf, he must choose: Help, heal, kamikaze or hit hard
  • Aegislash is not used 80% of the time ( mabey my skill isue )
  • Mabey use kingambit?

Pros:
- If timed right klefki and Peliper are very good together
- Klefki is very good support
- ( I don't believe in will say it ) Archaludon's berry ( Chople Berry ) saved my ass to many times ( good thing
- If lucario locks in he is very good

I usually go at the start with Peliper + Archaludon, Klefki + Peliper or Metagross + Lucario. The rest of the team will depend on the first 2 mons. People often ignore klefki which is good for the set up. For 10 I won 6 games that I played, so it's just as good

( I also tried to focus on the positives rather than the negatives. I'll give you a ditto on Monday, btw. )

snowyledger-70 OP

I have 2 amazing teams

snowyledger-70 OP

I just need to train a bit

snowyledger-70 OP

Steel type training

snowyledger-70 OP

Thanks to you guys i will be the grates metal bender

snowyledger-70 OP

https://klipy.com/gifs/metalocinese-manipulacao-de-metal

snowyledger-70 OP

https://klipy.com/gifs/toph-toph-beifong-7

@snowyledger-70 opinion on your team: Cons: -These 3 supports still annoy me. Because Aegislash is not that good in…
silvercactus-53

Well aegislash is needed for fighting moves. I mean steel fighting seems like an amazing type combo to me that's why I had it be everywhere, otherwise incin and gambit might be problematic. Klefki is fine to die after getting screens so you can revenge sweep. Ground type answer is pretty much pelipper and finals gambit, peliper having wide guard beats the only real ground move. Lucario should just trade imo.

silvercactus-53

Gambit is broken so I guess you can use gambit

@silvercactus-53 Well aegislash is needed for fighting moves. I mean steel fighting seems like an amazing type combo…
snowyledger-70 OP

The problem is that almost every Pokemon has a fighting type move. I will look, cook, lern and brb with my idea 🤗

@silvercactus-53 Well aegislash is needed for fighting moves. I mean steel fighting seems like an amazing type combo…
snowyledger-70 OP

We can use Empoleon for Peliper?
We can add steelix for something?
We can add Kingambit?
Many options and with them we can add new non-steel type

snowyledger-70 OP

Steelix is bad for fighting so ig not

snowyledger-70 OP

Empoleon is week to ground but can counter it

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More than 1 psychic type/move mabey. Water for ground. Tho when i think Peliper is good still

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So mabey swam lucario for Kingambit?

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I'm trying to come up with something and not be a "make me a team and I'll complain" type of guy.

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:ahhh:

applelizard-61

I still can't find the team

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What team?

applelizard-61

Yours ofc

@applelizard-61 I still can't find the team
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Are you asking me how I'm doing with my team or what I have?

@silvercactus-53 https://pokepast.es/5a4fd588d4660713 This is my version, metagross mega as main wallbreaker with lu…
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@calmgrove-98 https://pokepast.es/5e5858aa4bbd140d Here's the best thing I could do. You have speed control with…
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@snowyledger-70 Are you asking me how I'm doing with my team or what I have?
applelizard-61

Both

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So look

@snowyledger-70 ok so this is my opinion about the team: Cons: -This team is neither too fast nor too slow, so in t…
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@applelizard-61 Both
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I mean, in general, apart from these statistics and etc.... It's actually quite good. But still have to get used to it :ahhh: (Btw since th when is Orthworm so good?)

@snowyledger-70 ok so this is my opinion about the team: Cons: -This team is neither too fast nor too slow, so in t…
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If you haven't seen it, if you saw it but don't have time, sorry

calmgrove-98

yeah sorry I was working

@snowyledger-70 ok so this is my opinion about the team: Cons: -This team is neither too fast nor too slow, so in t…
calmgrove-98

Corv is here for sandstorm matchup + tailwind, so you should actually use him
You mean cerduledge is never used or his item ? otherwise you can try to run shucca berry or passho
Sneasler is supposed to get killed by Ceruledge, Metagross and Corviknight, how is it possible ?
Yeah maybe remove sandstorm on orthworm and get rid of excadrill I guess, it was just an idea but it doesn't seem that good now hah
Scizor + Bullet punch for priority ? You already have shadow sneak on ceruledge and bp on metagross, it should be enough

@calmgrove-98 Corv is here for sandstorm matchup + tailwind, so you should actually use him You mean cerduledge i…
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No, like its a good team. The only thing I would mention is Corviknight. The rest, surprisingly, fits well. ( Orthworm + Excarldrill is very good tho Excarldrill gets target (i mean enemy split his atack so Orthworm thanks to his difference is very good + Excarldrill can die if he used Earthquake. Next round i go Ceruledge in Orthworm sub and Metagross. Sandstorm is situational but still manages )

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Corviknight never is first ( because Orthworm + Goldengo/Excarldrill are first so no pint in ground teams ).

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We could use mega skamory because it has a similar role to Corviknight + I can use mega if there is team earth ( because I won't take Metagross on Earth Team )

@calmgrove-98 Corv is here for sandstorm matchup + tailwind, so you should actually use him You mean cerduledge i…
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With Ceruledge is good and i won't swap the item

@snowyledger-70 Corviknight never is first ( because Orthworm + Goldengo/Excarldrill are first so no pint in ground…
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Tinkaton can be used for fairy type + fake out + giganton Hammer

Kingambit because he is meta

calmgrove-98

just thinking about that

calmgrove-98

but wouldnt excadrill be better with mold breaker instead of sand rush ?

calmgrove-98

as you're not using sandstorm

@calmgrove-98 as you're not using sandstorm
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I could change the weather (it saved me a few times)

calmgrove-98

it could hit rotom, take care of dragonite's multiscale, idk

@calmgrove-98 but wouldnt excadrill be better with mold breaker instead of sand rush ?
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but yes because orthworm movest last so sandstorm won't effect first round ( tho in second excarldrill can use Earthquake before everything because he survived on 1 HP )

@calmgrove-98 it could hit rotom, take care of dragonite's multiscale, idk
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Rock slide

calmgrove-98

I mean mold breaker ignores multiscale

calmgrove-98

so you're gonna hit dragonite harder

calmgrove-98

mold breaker just ignores opponent's ability, you can earthquake rotom etc

@calmgrove-98 mold breaker just ignores opponent's ability, you can earthquake rotom etc
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This is good but will it be faster than rotom?

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if yes i will swap his Ability

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now what about Corviknight? Do we go tinkaton or mega scarmory?

calmgrove-98

scarf rotom no, but regular rotom yeah

calmgrove-98

32+ Timid rotom outspeeds you as you're adamant

calmgrove-98

but yeah excadrill BS Speed is 88, Rotom's 86

calmgrove-98

If you're struggling against trick room then Tinkaton seems awesome

calmgrove-98

mold breaker + fake out on farigiraf

calmgrove-98

and idk much about mega skarm, never played it but it hits like a brick from what I've seen

@calmgrove-98 and idk much about mega skarm, never played it but it hits like a brick from what I've seen
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He's very good, better than Corviknight, though. He'd do the same thing Corviknight does, but faster, and he'd be the answer to sand team.

@calmgrove-98 If you're struggling against trick room then Tinkaton seems awesome
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This was also a problem because my Pokemon are not too fast but not too slow (for trick room)

@snowyledger-70 He's very good, better than Corviknight, though. He'd do the same thing Corviknight does, but faste…
calmgrove-98

does it learn tailwind ?

@calmgrove-98 does it learn tailwind ?
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Yes

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But tinkaton is more bulky and it helps with trick room. Idk man

calmgrove-98

try both otherwise

calmgrove-98

but I'd say replace exca > tinkaton and corvi > skarm

calmgrove-98

Skarmory @ Skarmorite
Ability: Sturdy
Level: 50
EVs: 7 HP / 32 Atk / 27 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Iron Head
- Brave Bird
- Rock Tomb
- Protect

calmgrove-98

this is the only set I've found online

@calmgrove-98 this is the only set I've found online
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And tailwind?

calmgrove-98

I'm sure if you wanna use tailwind you wanna change EVs

calmgrove-98

first things first : does rock tomb ohko zard y ?

calmgrove-98

and if so, does skarm outspeeds it ?

calmgrove-98

knowing it's always played with whim

@calmgrove-98 I'm sure if you wanna use tailwind you wanna change EVs
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I don't have to, i fought that's what we base our strategies on

@calmgrove-98 first things first : does rock tomb ohko zard y ?
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Ith yes

calmgrove-98

32+ Atk Mega Skarmory Rock Tomb vs. 2 HP / 0 Def Mega Charizard Y: 196-232 (126.4 - 149.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

calmgrove-98

157 speed for skarm, 152 if modest 32 zard

calmgrove-98

but it's always defensive rn

calmgrove-98

let's take this for exemple

calmgrove-98

Charizard (M) @ Charizardite Y
Ability: Blaze
Level: 50
EVs: 20 HP / 32 Def / 10 SpA / 4 Spe
Bold Nature
- Heat Wave
- Weather Ball
- Helping Hand
- Protect

calmgrove-98

32+ Atk Mega Skarmory Rock Tomb vs. 20 HP / 32+ Def Mega Charizard Y: 136-160 (78.6 - 92.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

calmgrove-98

10 SpA Mega Charizard Y Weather Ball (100 BP Fire) vs. 7 HP / 0 SpD Mega Skarmory in Sun: 270-318 (183.6 - 216.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

@calmgrove-98 10 SpA Mega Charizard Y Weather Ball (100 BP Fire) vs. 7 HP / 0 SpD Mega Skarmory in Sun: 270-318 (…
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0 understanding 100 trust

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:ahhh:

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But if we have mega scarmory we don't need to swam out excarldrill

@calmgrove-98 32+ Atk Mega Skarmory Rock Tomb vs. 20 HP / 32+ Def Mega Charizard Y: 136-160 (78.6 - 92.4%) -- gua…
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So i have to hit 2 times but only needs 1 hit?

calmgrove-98

yep

calmgrove-98

you deal 78 to 92%

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But im faster?

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And can heat wave can kill me?

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Because if so, sturdy can survive the 1st turn and in the 2nd mega evolve and outspeed

@calmgrove-98 but it's always defensive rn
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So in a 1v1 situation or when I know that the opponent will hit the second Pokemon, I can control it and i would win.

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Sturdy - mega - win

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Or if it's so low i can get any spread move that will kill charizard and atack second pokemon

@calmgrove-98 you deal 78 to 92%
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I am very smart or very stupid

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I'v been cooking some weird shit so be prepared to yell at me

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​Metagross-Mega @ Metagrossite
Ability: Tough Claws
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
​Iron Head
​Psychic Fangs
​Stomping Tantrum
​Protect
​Gholdengo @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Good as Gold
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
​Make It Rain
​Shadow Ball
​Power Gem
​Thunderbolt
​Orthworm @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Earth Eater
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpD / 4 Def
Careful Nature
​Shed Tail
​Helping Hand
​Body Press
​Earthquake / Protect
​Empoleon @ Leftovers/ mistick water
Ability: Competitive
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
​Surf
​Ice Beam
​Flash Cannon
​Protect
​Kingambit @ Black Glasses
Ability: Supreme Overlord
EVs: 212 HP / 252 Atk / 44 Spe
Adamant Nature
​Sucker Punch
​Kowtow Cleave
​Iron Head
​Protect
​Rotom-Mow @ Choice Specs / Leftovers
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
​Leaf Storm
​Volt Switch
​Thunderbolt
​Will-O-Wisp / Trick

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Ok so....

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Guys

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Rate?

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I still feel like something is missing

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I'm very sorry for the ping

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YOU ARE A GENIUS

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I will fix this one sec

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https://klipy.com/gifs/mario-super-mario-108

@snowyledger-70 ![image](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1537776762023579658/1538833708335767653/20260303150…
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I SWEAR THIS IS THE LAST TIME I @ YOU. Can you rate this? This will be my finall team

@snowyledger-70 ![image](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1537776762023579658/1538833708335767653/20260303150…
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you know Sue very well too. What do you think?

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Have to swap crunch

@snowyledger-70 Have to swap crunch
applelizard-61

Go for poison jab

applelizard-61

Handles fairies

@applelizard-61 Go for poison jab
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:noted:

calmgrove-98

Swampert Mega still destroys you, no ?

calmgrove-98

need to wait until ferro releases to fix that I guess

@calmgrove-98 Swampert Mega still destroys you, no ?
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Trailblaze Metagross

@calmgrove-98 need to wait until ferro releases to fix that I guess
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Unfortunately

calmgrove-98

are you jolly or adamant ?

@applelizard-61 Handles fairies
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I have all the steel type to handle fairy

calmgrove-98

32+ Atk Mega Swampert High Horsepower vs. 2 HP / 0 Def Mega Metagross: 140-168 (89.1 - 107%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
32+ Atk Mega Swampert High Horsepower vs. 2 HP / 0 Def Mega Metagross: 140-168 (89.1 - 107%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
32 Atk Tough Claws Mega Metagross Trailblaze vs. 2 HP / 0 Def Mega Swampert: 152-180 (85.8 - 101.6%) -- 6.25% chance to OHKO
32+ Atk Tough Claws Mega Metagross Trailblaze vs. 2 HP / 0 Def Mega Swampert: 164-196 (92.6 - 110.7%) -- 56.25% chance to OHKO

@calmgrove-98 are you jolly or adamant ?
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Metagross? Admant

calmgrove-98

you'll need to invest EVs in Def

calmgrove-98

32+ Atk Mega Swampert High Horsepower vs. 2 HP / 13 Def Mega Metagross: 132-156 (84 - 99.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

calmgrove-98

13 EVs should do it

@calmgrove-98 you'll need to invest EVs in Def
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For now i have full speed, attack, 2 ho

@snowyledger-70 For now i have full speed, attack, 2 ho
calmgrove-98

so these calcs applys https://discord.com/channels/1457350549216432295/1537776762023579658/1538839882535804978

@calmgrove-98 so these calcs applys https://discord.com/channels/1457350549216432295/1537776762023579658/15388398…
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Ig yes

calmgrove-98

Metagross-Mega @ Metagrossite
Ability: Clear Body
Level: 50
EVs: 2 HP / 32 Atk / 13 Def / 19 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Trailblaze
- Stomping Tantrum
- Protect
- Psychic Fangs

calmgrove-98

you'll need to use that

calmgrove-98

32 Atk Sneasler Close Combat vs. 2 HP / 13 Def Mega Metagross: 67-81 (42.6 - 51.5%) -- 6.25% chance to 2HKO

calmgrove-98

it also wins against sneasler easily

calmgrove-98

149 speed

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:thumbsup:

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So ig I have everything now

calmgrove-98

so you outspide neutral 32+ mimikyu and floette

@applelizard-61 Go for poison jab
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Rock slide?

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Fire fang

calmgrove-98

thing is you lose speed tie against max speed + nature glim, rotom, kommo o, and gholdengo ties

@calmgrove-98 thing is you lose speed tie against max speed + nature glim, rotom, kommo o, and gholdengo ties
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I can handle this

calmgrove-98

You can run a 0/31/13/0/0/22 to fix it

calmgrove-98

but now the calcs goes like :

calmgrove-98

32+ Atk Mega Swampert High Horsepower vs. 0 HP / 13 Def Mega Metagross: 132-156 (85.1 - 100.6%) -- 6.25% chance to OHKO
31+ Atk Tough Claws Mega Metagross Trailblaze vs. 2 HP / 0 Def Mega Swampert: 164-196 (92.6 - 110.7%) -- 56.25% chance to OHKO

@calmgrove-98 32+ Atk Mega Swampert High Horsepower vs. 0 HP / 13 Def Mega Metagross: 132-156 (85.1 - 100.6%) --…
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Wha....

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Im not that smart brother

calmgrove-98

basically

calmgrove-98

you either go with :

2 HP, 32 Atk, 13 Def, 19 Speed

So in this case you survive any hit by Swampert Mega guarantee, it can never one shots you, the max damage you can take is 99,3%, and you have appromixatively a 60% chance to one shot it with Trailblaze, right ?

@calmgrove-98 you either go with : 2 HP, 32 Atk, 13 Def, 19 Speed So in this case you survive any hit by Swampert…
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Yes

calmgrove-98

but you get outspeed by max speed glim, rotom, kommo o

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calmgrove-98

to fix the speed issue, you can go with 0 HP, 31 Atk, 13 Def, and 22 Speed, so you outspeed these above, but now you have a 6% chance to get ohko by swampert, and 56% chance to kill

calmgrove-98

so I guess the first option is the best

@calmgrove-98 but you get outspeed by max speed glim, rotom, kommo o
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Glimora can earth power me, only rotom taht is scary is oven and komo-o is never used ( i have Empoleon and Garchomp for it )

calmgrove-98

kommo o -> gholdengo
Glimm -> orthworm
rotom -> gholdengo will o whisp I guess ?

calmgrove-98

or lum berry on someone maybe

@snowyledger-70 Glimora can earth power me, only rotom taht is scary is oven and komo-o is never used ( i have Empo…
applelizard-61

Komoo is picking up the usage

@snowyledger-70 ![image](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1537776762023579658/1538841732916187207/20260303153…
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So what should I change? This will be the finall team ( ith )

@applelizard-61 Komoo is picking up the usage
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No way

@snowyledger-70 No way
applelizard-61

Yup yesterday fought two both lorb

calmgrove-98

lo kommo o one shots kingambit with vaccum wave

calmgrove-98

that's why

@calmgrove-98 lo kommo o one shots kingambit with vaccum wave
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Shot....

applelizard-61

Yo Silv how good are you with tr teams and making not really used Pokémon work?

calmgrove-98

32+ SpA Life Orb Kommo-o Vacuum Wave vs. 32 HP / 2 SpD Kingambit: 187-224 (90.3 - 108.2%) -- 43.75% chance to OHKO
32+ SpA Life Orb Kommo-o Vacuum Wave vs. 0 HP / 2 SpD Kingambit: 187-224 (106.8 - 128%) -- guaranteed OHKO

@applelizard-61 Yo Silv how good are you with tr teams and making not really used Pokémon work?
calmgrove-98

depends on what you wanna build, but I can help 🙂

@calmgrove-98 32+ SpA Life Orb Kommo-o Vacuum Wave vs. 32 HP / 2 SpD Kingambit: 187-224 (90.3 - 108.2%) -- 43.75%…
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Ye im cooked. But can't you just get ready in front of everyone? Especially since we're doing mono-type

@calmgrove-98 depends on what you wanna build, but I can help 🙂
applelizard-61

Just want feedback on the team that I built from scratch

@calmgrove-98 depends on what you wanna build, but I can help 🙂
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[Next Wolfey]

@applelizard-61 Just want feedback on the team that I built from scratch
calmgrove-98

sure, did you already post it ?

@snowyledger-70 [Next Wolfey]
calmgrove-98

hahahaha hell nah

@calmgrove-98 hahahaha hell nah
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You're right..... better

calmgrove-98

I'm just a good teambuilder, not a very very good player haha

calmgrove-98

I've been playing competitive Pokémon for almost 15 years, but only in 6v6

@calmgrove-98 I'm just a good teambuilder, not a very very good player haha
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That's half. And if you can build a team, you can play them.

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ivoryunicorn-80

no steel type attack in meta is that ok?

ivoryunicorn-80

And dont ping to much

ivoryunicorn-80

is one per thread

@ivoryunicorn-80 And dont ping to much
snowyledger-70 OP

Yee I know

@ivoryunicorn-80 is one per thread
snowyledger-70 OP

I won't do this anymore dw

@ivoryunicorn-80 no steel type attack in meta is that ok?
snowyledger-70 OP

Wha? Like thats the plan

@snowyledger-70 you know Sue very well too. What do you think?
silvercactus-53

I personally don't like it but it's your team

@silvercactus-53 I personally don't like it but it's your team
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Why? It's very good?

@silvercactus-53 I personally don't like it but it's your team
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  • I forgot to tell you that your team is awesome
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Like i have so much control

silvercactus-53

Yeah it's good enough for a monotype team I think

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