Не получается играть против Комнаты трюков? Помощь со сборкой команды VGC
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На сервере Pokémon Champions | VGC Battles & Tournaments проходит обсуждение распространённых трудностей в соревновательной игре, в частности способов противостоять командам с Комнатой трюков и Torkoal. В этой ветке игроки могут делиться своими нынешними составами команд и получать отзывы, чтобы улучшить стратегии. Это полезный ресурс для участников, которые хотят повысить результаты в соревнованиях и собрать более слаженную команду.
Меня разносят почти все команды с Комнатой трюков, против которых я играю. Особенно Тorkoal — ему я практически сразу проигрываю. Такое чувство, что в коробке у меня лежат части разных архетипов, но я не понимаю, как собрать их в цельную команду.
На изображении — то, что у меня есть (+ Whims и Ttar, которые не поместились на скриншоте)
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okay well firstly which pokemon do u have that AREN'T timed so that we can build accordingly
didnt realise there were filters, grabbed a few mons since that screenshot so this is what i got rn
(if any of the timed one are useful i can just perma recruit them btw)
alr cool
just deny the tr set maybe?
youre running mega raptor with no whimsicott
+2 32 Atk Staraptor-Mega Close Combat vs. 32 HP / 0 Def Torkoal: 162-192 (91.5 - 108.4%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
+2 32 Atk Staraptor-Mega Close Combat vs. 25 HP / 26+ Def Farigiraf: 204-241 (92.7 - 109.5%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO
+2 32 Atk Staraptor-Mega Close Combat vs. 2 HP / 0 Def Indeedee: 346-408 (252.5 - 297.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 32 Atk Staraptor-Mega Brave Bird vs. 32 HP / 2 Def Hatterene: 222-262 (135.3 - 159.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
tailwind trick room charm moonblast whimsicott prankster sashed. charm and nuke the tr setter. if they get tr up just turn it back off w whimsicott next turn
barring that. if you dont think you can make those kinds of plays work but youre confident in the rest of the team. just final gambit and remove one piece off the board.
max hp raptor fully nukes like any mon in the format
can also just put imprison and trick room on farig for tr matchups specifically
imprison trick room helping hand twin beam
swap sneas out for incineroar and parting shot your own raptor.
tons of options without a complete rebuild.
also gives you a mon that resists eruption since you have three weak to fire and two that are really frail and neutral to it
yeah i was running whims raptor at first but it felt a little... obvious?
also im running almost max hp max spd on raptor
yeah it is
then your raptor ev are wasted
you guys think max atk is better?
contrary does your other stats for you
had one guy in here i played where i ran m. raptor and the fight went for like 16 turns into the most hax ive ever had against me in any game ive ever played
its obvious but it works
max atk max speed raptor cc alr gives your def a boost every time you land them
parting shot does the same.
fair enough
a self parting shot?
32+ SpA Charcoal Torkoal Eruption (150 BP) vs. +1 2 HP / 0 SpD Staraptor-Mega in Sun: 141-166 (87 - 102.4%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO
thats plus one plus one in both defenses
🤔
2hp investment
one cc and you live an eruption
yeah you dont have to parting shot their mons. you can parting shot raptor on your own team still get the intimidate cycle and the stat buff
i see i see
so youre thinkin raptor whims sneas incin
whats second mega, stick with rai y?
im thinking raptor whims incin rilla
oh, drop sneas?
yeah
fair i guess i do already have the fighting type coverage
hes overlapping most of your coverage you alr have two fakeout users
yeah i was noticing that i had 3 mons with fakeout and it felt a little much
but im new to vgc so wasnt sure if it was overboard or not
dire claws covered by gholdengo into your fairy mu
if rilla keeps struggling swap his miracle for grassy
give chople to kingambit not sash
sash goes to whimsi
sitrus incin
rai is ok. but you have tons of frail on team alr
oh i gave him sash because i was running adamant atk + spd
itll work but if you have zchomp run that instead as second mega
and you have another answer to tr right there
yeah i can do that
you think modest dpulse is better or timid meteor
i dont like the meteor stat drop personally
but i also play weird as hell
try both see what feels better
yeah id rather run modest dpulse too
so lemme just write it down
raptor (atk spd jolly)
zchomp (modest dpulse)
whims (sash, moonblast charm tailwind trick room)
chople gambit (change to hp atk, im sure theres a more specific ev spread somewhere to live certain fighting moves)
incin
rilla
you think u-turn or high horsepower on rilla?
ive got u-turn rn but it feels like it doesnt help much
mess w the spreads i didnt have time to ev properly
yeye ill look into it more
my rilla is some hp some atk some spdef
seed will take care of your def investment. most run max atk max hp
run negative nature speed to win terrain war
rilla and indeedee are same base speed
so its a 50/50?
with base speed yes
🤔
if youre slower your terrain goes up last. very important to do if you wanna stop psyspam turn one
so its similar to weather wars, being slower is optimal
yes.
saves you the defensive swap in
yeah i had to do that a lot actually
id always put rilla in the back because hes faster than indeedee
then i swap in and get domed
yep - nature makes him slower by a couple points
which wont make a difference anyways
because two of your moves are prio
fair point
ill try it out later, preciate all the help man
np
ping me if something isnt working
ill prob be awake
