Создавайте уникальные команды VGC: стратегия для редко используемых покемонов
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Сервер Discord Pokémon Champions | VGC Battles & Tournaments посвящён подробному разбору соревновательных команд с редко используемыми покемонами. В этой беседе рассматривается необычная команда Trick Room с Mega Sceptile, Rotom-H и Trevenant, а также такие приёмы, как Ally Switch, и предметы вроде Wide Lens. Полезный ресурс для игроков, которые хотят улучшить нестандартные стратегии и получить преимущество над классическими соревновательными командами.
https://pokepast.es/d3aa1dd5db98e87b
Хотелось бы услышать ваши мнения, если вам интересны редко используемые покемоны и способы сделать их эффективными.
Я уже занимаюсь 😄
Ну, давай, рассказывай
Очень хорошая команда
Спасибо, я собрал её с нуля
То есть у неё два режима: сначала Sceptile + Rotom-H, а потом TR для добивания, верно? Как себя показывает Ally Switch на Trevenant?
(кстати, твой блестящий Trevenant у меня уже есть)
В чём смысл? Чтобы не дать Pangoro получить боевой удар?
Ага, у Rotom на единицу больше Скорости, чем у Sceptile, чтобы успеть использовать Discharge и дать Sceptile +1. И да, Trevenant нужен, чтобы раздражать соперника, помогать с позиционированием и поддерживать остальных.
Офигеееть
У Ally Switch повышенный приоритет, так что его можно использовать вне Trick Room и принять Ice Punch, который попал бы по Mega Sceptile.
Ага, я знаю. Он нужен, чтобы его можно было использовать вне TR и чтобы он стал моим вторым постановщиком TR.
Да, в первом сезоне я поднимался до Master с Mega Glimmora и Heliolisk с Ally Switch, ха-ха. Кошмар Basculegion.
Злодейство
Думаю, у меня хорошие матчапы против многих метовых команд, но насчёт Golurk я всё ещё не уверен.
Хотел попробовать редко используемую мегаформу для Trick Room.
Wide Lens на Pangoro вообще так уж нужна? Точность 90% вроде вполне нормальная, если честно.
Просто хотел повысить стабильность.
Я знаю, что 90% — нормально, просто не хотел так сильно полагаться на удачу.
А как насчёт Brick Break, чтобы пробивать стены?
Вместо Hammer Arm: ты и так медленный, так что в Trick Room это, по-моему, неважно.
Думаю, в игре лучше полностью поменять его набор приёмов.
Ещё есть Sylveon: он выглядит огромной угрозой для твоей команды, потому что ему выгоден Trick Room, а остановить его толком некому.
20+ Atk Pangoro Poison Jab vs. 32 HP / 0 Def Sylveon: 128-152 (63.3 - 75.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Да, я думал дать Pangoro Poison Jab, но этого недостаточно :/
Сколько вложений в Атаку ему нужно?
Даже с максимумом он всё равно не делает нокаут.
32+ Atk Pangoro Poison Jab vs. 32 HP / 0 Def Sylveon: 136-162 (67.3 - 80.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Но не знаю, вдруг расчёты неверные: ведь Poison Jab должен получить усиление Iron Fist первым, да?
Это же удар кулаком.
Слушай, я готов заменить Golurk и сделать Pangoro рабочим, но Mawile использовать не хочу.
Вместо Golurk можно взять Mega Dragalge.
Он медленный, базовая Скорость 44, и он ядовитого типа.
Но он ещё и дракон, так что я не уверен.
Какие мегаформы я вообще могу использовать?
32+ SpA Mega Dragalge Sludge Bomb vs. 32 HP / 0 SpD Sylveon: 138-164 (68.3 - 81.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
32+ SpA Fairy Feather Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Beam vs. 32 HP / 0 SpD Mega Dragalge: 118-141 (68.6 - 81.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Metagross тоже учит Hammer Arm, кстати :p
Metagross для Trick Room
Звучит весело
Mega Aggron, Mega Camerupt (очень-очень сильный), Mega Crabominable, Mega Drampa (с Instruct на Oranguru), Mega Steelix
В Trick Room они все работают.
Crab тут подойдёт?
Даже Mega Chandelure, но с Kingambit / Basc / Garchomp я не уверен.
Я тоже об этом думал.
32+ Atk Iron Fist Mega Crabominable Ice Hammer vs. 2 HP / 0 Def Mega Charizard Y: 159-187 (102.5 - 120.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Crab — настоящая гроза.
32+ Atk Iron Fist Mega Crabominable Ice Hammer vs. 32 HP / 0 Def Sylveon: 183-216 (90.5 - 106.9%) -- 43.75% chance to OHKO
Вот несколько расчётов против самых популярных в игре покемонов (Атака и Защита; для Защиты всегда беру максимальный урон):
Garchomp:
32+ Atk Iron Fist Mega Crabominable Ice Hammer vs. 2 HP / 0 Def Garchomp: 540-640 (291.8 - 345.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
32 Atk Life Orb Garchomp Dragon Claw vs. 32 HP / 0 Def Mega Crabominable: 75-91 (36.7 - 44.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Sinistcha:
32+ Atk Iron Fist Mega Crabominable Ice Hammer vs. 32 HP / 14+ Def Sinistcha: 204-240 (114.6 - 134.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
0 SpA Sinistcha Shadow Ball vs. 32 HP / 0 SpD Mega Crabominable: 51-61 (25 - 29.9%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
Basc:
32+ Atk Iron Fist Mega Crabominable Ice Hammer vs. 2 HP / 0 Def Basculegion: 91-108 (46.1 - 54.8%) -- 60.55% chance to 2HKO
32+ Atk Iron Fist Mega Crabominable Ice Hammer vs. 2 HP / 0 Def Basculegion: 91-108 (46.1 - 54.8%) -- 60.55% chance to 2HKO
Gambit:
32+ Atk Iron Fist Mega Crabominable Mach Punch vs. 32 HP / 0 Def Kingambit: 180-216 (86.9 - 104.3%) -- 18.75% chance to OHKO
32+ Atk Iron Fist Mega Crabominable Drain Punch vs. 32 HP / 0 Def Kingambit: 336-396 (162.3 - 191.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
32+ Atk Kingambit Iron Head vs. 32 HP / 0 Def Mega Crabominable: 132-156 (64.7 - 76.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Staraptor:
32+ Atk Iron Fist Mega Crabominable Ice Hammer vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Staraptor: 258-306 (161.2 - 191.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
32+ Atk Iron Fist Mega Crabominable Ice Hammer vs. +1 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Staraptor: 174-206 (108.7 - 128.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
32 Atk Mega Staraptor Close Combat vs. 32 HP / 0 Def Mega Crabominable: 186-218 (91.1 - 106.8%) -- 43.75% chance to OHKO
Incin:
- 1 32+ Atk Iron Fist Mega Crabominable Drain Punch vs. 32 HP / 14 Def Incineroar: 126-150 (62.3 - 74.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery
0 Atk Incineroar Flare Blitz vs. 32 HP / 0 Def Mega Crabominable: 132-156 (64.7 - 76.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Pelipper:
32+ Atk Iron Fist Mega Crabominable Ice Hammer vs. 2 HP / 0 Def Pelipper: 129-153 (94.1 - 111.6%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
32+ SpA Pelipper Hurricane vs. 32 HP / 0 SpD Mega Crabominable: 158-188 (77.4 - 92.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Sneasler:
32+ Atk Iron Fist Mega Crabominable Ice Hammer vs. 2 HP / 0 Def Sneasler: 195-229 (124.2 - 145.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
32 Atk Sneasler Close Combat vs. 32 HP / 0 Def Mega Crabominable: 174-206 (85.2 - 100.9%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
Arch:
32+ Atk Iron Fist Mega Crabominable Drain Punch vs. 32 HP / 1 Def Archaludon: 156-186 (79.1 - 94.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
5+ SpA Archaludon Flash Cannon vs. 32 HP / 0 SpD Mega Crabominable: 116-140 (56.8 - 68.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Swamp:
32+ Atk Iron Fist Mega Crabominable Ice Hammer vs. 2 HP / 0 Def Mega Swampert: 120-142 (67.7 - 80.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
32+ Atk Iron Fist Mega Crabominable Ice Hammer vs. 2 HP / 0 Def Mega Swampert: 120-142 (67.7 - 80.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
В общем, ты выигрываешь почти все дуэли 1 на 1, кроме матчапов с Gholdengo и Delphox.
Хотя в Trick Room ты побеждаешь Delphox.
32+ Atk Iron Fist Mega Crabominable Ice Hammer vs. 1 HP / 1 Def Mega Delphox: 84-99 (55.6 - 65.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
32 SpA Mega Delphox Psychic vs. 32 HP / 0 SpD Mega Crabominable: 168-200 (82.3 - 98%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
С Gholdengo бывает трудно справиться. Единственный покемон, который может с ним разобраться, — Rotom-H, и, скорее всего, ты потеряешь его в начале боя, чтобы перейти ко второму режиму.
И у Pangoro нет тёмных атак.
Знаю, ты хочешь собрать команду вне меты, но, думаю, Incineroar вместо Pangoro может быть хорошим выбором: он поможет одновременно против Gholdengo и Delphox.
Можно ещё использовать атакующий сет.
В прошлом сезоне я играл Incin с Life Orb в Trick Room и прошёл от Pokéball 4 до Master Ball 4 без единого поражения.
С командами дождя тоже, похоже, тяжело. Rotom + Sceptile выглядят неплохо, но старт Pelipper + Swampert может сбить темп.
Swampert быстрее Sceptile и бьёт его Ice Punch — тот труп.
Rotom-Mow был бы хорошей заменой, но тогда у тебя на поле окажутся два травяных покемона.
Хотя единственная проблема — Charizard Y в начале боя. Ты должен выигрывать бой 2 на 2 (шанс 5%, что не получится нокаутировать его одним ударом).
32 SpA Rotom-Mow Discharge vs. 2 HP / 0 SpD Mega Charizard Y: 78-92 (50.3 - 59.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
32 SpA Mega Sceptile Dragon Pulse vs. 2 HP / 0 SpD Mega Charizard Y: 70-84 (45.1 - 54.1%) -- 40.63% chance to 2HKO
Но Charizard Y часто играет вместе с Whimsicott, так что в итоге он будет быстрее обоих твоих покемонов.
Rotom-Wash может помочь справиться со Swampert и другими. Можно в первый ход защитить Sceptile, чтобы проверить, есть ли у него Ice Punch, а затем атаковать Hydro Pump с Rotom, нанеся 64–76% урона.
Но тогда ты будешь заперт в Hydro Pump, да ещё и с Choice Scarf. Придётся сменить Sceptile и выпустить кого-нибудь, кто выдержит Ice Punch. Не лучший размен.
Думаю, против дождя лучше всего игнорировать скоростной режим и играть полностью через Trick Room: Trev, Mimikyu, Pangoro и Crab.
У Hurricane от Pelipper есть 6% шанс на OHKO (скромный характер, 32), а Swampert, конечно, тебя добьёт.
Malanthwe (Trevenant) @ Sitrus Berry
Способность: Harvest
Уровень: 50
Блестящий: Да
EV: 32 HP / 5 Atk / 7 Def / 22 SpD
Характер: Adamant
- Trick Room
- Ally Switch
- Horn Leech
- Protect
Замени Curse на Protect — и готово.
Ход 1: Trevenant + Mimikyu
Trevenant использует Protect, Mimikyu ставит Trick Room.
Противник либо бьёт Trev обоими покемонами, либо проверяет Protect — и теперь преимущество у тебя.
Но они могут сменить Swampert, так что на втором ходу придётся вдвоём атаковать Pelipper.
5+ Atk Trevenant Horn Leech vs. 2 HP / 0 Def Pelipper: 52-63 (37.9 - 45.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
20+ Atk Mimikyu Play Rough vs. 2 HP / 0 Def Pelipper: 61-73 (44.5 - 53.2%) -- 33.2% chance to 2HKO
Мне правда нравится Pangoro: думаю, мне не так уж нужен Incin, хотя Fake Out был бы весьма полезен. Может, Pangoro со Scrappy и Brick Break сможет победить Gholdengo, а Darkest Lariat, кажется, может снести Delphox с одного удара.
32+ Atk Pangoro Brick Break vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Gholdengo: 144-170 (88.8 - 104.9%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
Хотя я не уверен насчёт его сетов.
32+ Atk Pangoro Darkest Lariat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Gholdengo: 162-192 (100 - 118.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
32+ Atk Pangoro Darkest Lariat vs. 32 HP / 11 Def Delphox-Mega: 182-216 (100 - 118.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Но я не против поменять EV и атаки у остальных и закончить наборы приёмов для остальных.
Все расчёты сделаны с Life Orb.
Pangoro учит Darkest Lariat?
Я даже не знал.
Да, учит.
Сейчас думаю, что ему подойдут Darkest Lariat
Brick Break или Close Combat
Detect
Parting Shot.
С Lorn и Scrappy.
То есть будет примерно так?
Погоди, для чего были вложения в Pangoro?
Не уверен, нашёл это на Reddit.
Как ты посчитал?
Я не считал, увидел на Reddit.
Сейчас для зала я использую максимум Атаки и максимум Скорости.
Потому что распределения Delphox странные.
Даже расчёт против Gholdengo не подходит.
У Delphox либо распределение 2/32/32, либо 19 HP и 1 защиты.
Или даже 11 HP и 4 защиты.
Я просто поставил Pangoro максимум Атаки, чтобы проверить, кого он может нокаутировать одним ударом.
2+ Atk Pangoro Darkest Lariat vs. 11 HP / 4 Def Mega Delphox: 162-192 (100.6 - 119.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
2+ Atk Pangoro Darkest Lariat vs. 19 HP / 1 Def Mega Delphox: 168-198 (99.4 - 117.1%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
2+ Atk Pangoro Darkest Lariat vs. 1 HP / 0 Def Gholdengo: 134-162 (82.2 - 99.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
32+ Atk Pangoro Darkest Lariat vs. 1 HP / 0 Def Gholdengo: 162-192 (99.3 - 117.7%) -- 93.75% chance to OHKO
Да, тебе в любом случае нужно 32 Атаки.
Или можно снизить это значение, если взять Life Orb.
Но Close Combat от Sneasler ты точно не переживёшь.
Наверное, возьму Life Orb, но хочу оставить ему хоть немного прочности.
Да, знаю, никак.
Погоди.
С Life Orb, может, получится.
32 Atk Sneasler Close Combat vs. 32 HP / 32 Def Pangoro: 188-224 (93 - 110.8%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
0+ Atk Life Orb Pangoro Darkest Lariat vs. 7 HP / 0 Def Gholdengo: 174-205 (102.9 - 121.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
0+ Atk Life Orb Pangoro Darkest Lariat vs. 1 HP / 1 Def Mega Delphox: 213-252 (141 - 166.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
ХАХАХАХАХАХА
Почему это работает?
Life Orb позволяет нокаутировать и Gholdengo, и Delphox с одного удара без вложений в Атаку.
Тогда можно вложить 32/32 в HP и защиту.
Но, думаю, Chople Berry и 32+ Атаки будут лучше.
Так у него достаточно урона?
32 Atk Sneasler Close Combat vs. 32 HP / 0 Def Chople Berry Pangoro: 127-150 (62.8 - 74.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
И можно использовать Parting Shot.
Иначе Trev может разобраться со Sneasler, можно ещё добавить Will-O-Wisp.
Думал, может, поменять несколько атак.
У саппортов.
Но в том, что атаки и распределения у Sceptile и Rotom хороши — это просто имбовая связка — я уверен на все 1000%. Mimikyu можно немного подправить, как и Trevenant, Pangoro, само собой, и Crab.
Кстати, ты думал о Cofagrigus как о постановщике Trick Room?
Да, думал, но Trevenant мне понравился больше.
Я хотел собрать команду с моими любимцами.
Из любимцев только мегаформы действительно хотели быть в команде.
Cofa ещё умеет Haze для Staraptor и, конечно, Grass Knot против Swampert, без недостатков из-за слабости к летающим атакам.
И Ally Switch, само собой.
I don't think Staraptor threatens me that much with the fast mode
whim can tailwind turn 1 and staraptor brave birds your sceptile, but then rotom kills it
so you're fine
I just really like Mummy as an ability haha
getting rid of so many broken abilities, swift swim, unburden, etc
Yup I understand
I like Trevenant so much
he's one of my fav pokemon too haha
Let's refine it
I'll look more into calcs and moves but I do need suggestions
how would you optimize crab
so Trevenant isn't pulling it's weigh as i had hoped he would and I'm feeling so sad about it currently fairy types just decimate me even when I outplay the whole game just one dazzling gleam kills me so I'd like to know your thoughts about it, I will first try out Galarian Slowking but I haven't done the spreads yet so that would be off great help as well
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Add a Garchomp
Another fairy weakness?
Earthquake can’t hit Rotom
And Discharge can’t hit Garchomp
Take out pantaloon
Swap out Trev for Sneasler
Sceptiale team shouldint rly be in Trick room
This is a two Mode team and as you see I am not running and will not run any of the meta mons unless I have to
He want pangaroo on the team. The title says that hehehe
Welp
What about Gilmore then?
Glimmora *
Noooo
The team is built on Pangoro and trick room and will probably stay that way
Glimmora is comically 1 speed slower then floette and Garchomp
The Rotom Sceptile is because I had to include Rotom as it's one of my favorite mons
I'm so sorry about that
You gatta add Garchomp atp
But it will be on other teams
Missed opportunity
Meta 🙈
How about Glyscore the
Mamoswine also have eq.
Gives you a Pokémon with tailwind
And intimidate immunity
The only issue I have are spread fairy moves so the only Mon I had in mind is Aegislash as I will always run off meta mons or anti meta mons
Why not just run Toxapex then?
Wide guard and can bulk daily types easily
And again, what’s wrong with Glimmora?
Counters fairy + gives you a free Charzard counter
Too in the middle speed tier
You’re trick room right?
You’ll outspeed them in it
Give it a Iron Ball of you need too
Yea but she isn't slow enough or fast enough for in or out of it plus she isn't bulky enough to run iron ball
She dosint need to be
Sneasler runs it just fine
Aegislash have wide guard right? It also have steel moves.
Toxapex doesn't hit hard
Trying out Slowking rn
Tho didn't run into the fairies
🫡🫡
Hahaha
R u using acid spray or sludge bomb?
Sludge wave khm
Tho may switch to sludge bomb
Sludge wave hurt your mon hahaha
Yup I know
U free? Let's play
Just entering my country so I will be able in like 45 minutes
👍
Normal teams or gym ones
extremely fun team
Thank you tho there are some changes
U said yesterday u want to tested your gym no?
But I'm ok with both regular or gym team
We can try everything
Ok2 just lmk when ur ready
Let's go gym vs gym tho my old one as I still haven't got all the mons for other one
89514908
W8 w8
I'll join.
Yes sir
Me dead
My team hate yours hahaha
It was fun tho I think leading Slowking is the way
My slowking can't survive 2 dark move 🤣
It need only one tho maybe redirection?
To set up trick room
Noone have I believe
No poison have redirection
How bro
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I wish amoongus was added
Damn
😭😭
No tw no redirection
Now you got more choices at least
Yes. Ill make perish
Hahahaha
🙈
Evil
That's my job
Gengar is poison tho
I know
I'm saying you are evil and that should be my job
I'll add altaria/politoad/primarina
Hahaha
Hahahaha... Yes u right
Politoed altaria
Someone asked me other day, why I use perish while ghost gym dont
Prim have flip turn 🤣
They can who is stopping them
Damn
Altaria have roost
Politoad.... 🤔🤔 Don't really like him tho
He is secondary perish song user
Yes. But I don't like toad
I like him more than toilet bird
When I see it, I imagine this one
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HAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA
Toilet bird?
They do be toxic
Hahaha
Pelipper
Ah ic
Hahahha
Toilet bird omg
I'm laughing
It's the community name
Yes it fit the team, coz toad can be toxic
What can I say
You seee
That image haunting me everytime I send it in
Don't think about it
His shiny is ugly 🙈
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It's cute enough
Nah. It's blue like if a living creature can't breath, it become blue
Nah that's the sign that it is toxic
Ok I should ask lordsponge to hunt it then
Hahahaha
He is gonna beat us to death
Hahaha I trouble him a lot. I won't ask anything anymore
If he has short list I may
He wont
He had 6 things on it
Volcarona @ Leftovers
Ability: Flame Body
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 25 HP / 9 SpA / 32 SpD
Quiet Nature
- Rage Powder
- Giga Drain
- Heat Wave
- Rain Dance
Pangoro @ Life Orb
Ability: Scrappy
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 32 HP / 2 Atk / 32 Def
Brave Nature
- Storm Throw
- Darkest Lariat
- Detect
- Headlong Rush
Crabominable-Mega @ Crabominite
Ability: Hyper Cutter
Level: 50
EVs: 32 HP / 32 Atk / 2 SpD
Brave Nature
- Drain Punch
- Ice Hammer
- Mach Punch
- Protect
Aegislash @ Leftovers
Ability: Stance Change
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 32 HP / 9 Def / 25 SpA
Sassy Nature
- King's Shield
- Flash Cannon
- Shadow Ball
- Wide Guard
Mimikyu @ Spell Tag
Ability: Disguise
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
- Shadow Sneak
- Shadow Claw
- Trick Room
- Taunt
What do yall think I can add as 6th
https://pokepast.es/009750b70bd31c21 lemme put it like this than
yeah so zard counter?
No direct one tho Crab and Pangoro can kill it together
reliably?
If Ice Hammer doenst mis syes
yeah i played crab trick room in season 1 I know ice hammer very well 
Tho I would be willing to switch one mon out that doesnt fit tho would really like to keep Aegi volc and Pangoro
everyone has a job
Yes they do tho if they just have better counterparts ill gladly look at it
Tho I always will use less popular option
I like the less popular option.. I played Showdown UU for like 8 years 🤣
I think I can make all 5 work together by either adding another Mega that is god for matchups tr is not and that can work with these 4
what does crab stuggle into?
Many things
Fairies Fire Steel Psychic Fighting Flying types tho it can hit Steel Flying types back
Ill be back
Yelling at wahhh
I can see that
can you bring something like mega drag
Honestly I was looking at Mega Greninja
for an out of TR
are you playing in TR?
Out of
As Volcarona is fast out of Will make Pangoro somewhere in the middle and Aegislash works in both
gren would work
i was wondering coz only 1 TR setter 
I somewhat made the team in Showdown
So I can send it when I'm back at the Pc
yeah cool
Always a mix
Never one
Can't play hard trick room or only tailwind
gren covers most of those weakneses
And I figured the fairy weakness
i loooooove hard TR
With poison wave next to aegislash
If I'm being honest I'm almost always leaning trick room
Trick room is so much fun. i like the setting moves more then weather
Never liked playing weather except snow with Glacwon
Glaceon is fun
see how gren goes though and ping me when you do
Tested it a bit on the showdown
Tho won't use it tomorrow
https://pokepast.es/8b1381f635e5fc8c
What do you think for now
- Sludge Wave
sludge bomb better?
no splash damage
I was looking at it using Wave next to Aegi
As when Im agaisnt Fairy types Id rather have Aegi in the game over anyone else
yeah true
its the same logic as EQ can always protect the damage
Tho Im not really sure about the evs and some moves on this team
is Aegislash Calc'd
and Mimikyu
Used the last build of my own
okay
just checking it looked like it so thats fine
On both tho if they can be improved im all for it
i think they are good i know my Aegi isnt fine tuned and he does the job for me
Pangoro EVs: 32 HP / 2 Atk / 32 Def
need all that def?
Survives CC from Sneasler and can still kill important targets tho thinking of switching moves
i see no issue with EVs then
the megas need their spreads how they are
Not sure on the Volcarona
I want it to set up tailwind but also deal some damage
If I go max speed I outspeed good deal of mons in the regulation
i was just looking at speed tiers 🤣
HAHAHAH
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can you drop any hp?
If I still have enough bulk tho I am using sash on it
and no room to add volcs special move
how often is it living a 2 shot?
Yea you right
It aint
That much
could just throw it all spa
Tho there are cases
or add just enough to live certain things
That would be great
Tho not sure which ones
what threatens it
Rocks
It is 4x weak
So wouldnt look at that
peli
Phisical water as its special bulk at least helps it
yup pelli
I was playing with calcs most the big threats eat it
But a little bulk may still be nice
How much would you say
https://pokepast.es/442549ba4861fbd4 here is the team
Looks good how's it been
Feels god on showdown
good*
Tho I may change to play rough on mimikyu
M Crabo not Dark. LOLOLOLOL
this is not your gym team?
Its team for ladder
I already made my two gym teams
Gotta train them but they are made
Yes yes that what I thought
This with Val is my tournament team going forward probably and ladder
Booo :c
https://pokepast.es/f27db84f9bf6650d Tho I will use this today
Ur joining the val tour?
Yup
As a staff plu a player
👍👍
If u win, that's aura +1000
First I want to make top cut
and than shoot higher
I want to be the very best like no one ever was 🎶
Tho I gotta thank on help with the team and letting me be the stuff as well
Tho how can I cehck if im on staff
Your on staff ill stream a screen capture at first to walk you through it
yes sir
I found a guide but it sucked
And I cant do a mock tourney to show pics
SO WE DO IT LIVE BOYS
https://klipy.com/gifs/fuck-it-well-do-it-live-bill-oreilly
LETS GOOOO
https://pokepast.es/7d146d6407892f2d
What do yall think I should use in trick room with this team tho Im aslo considering running sceptile instead of greninja Tho any changes in movesets to help would be great
What do you think
Organizing home
Srry
I want to hear your thought as well
All good homie
here it is
sent it tho I can also send the version with sceptile build
https://pokepast.es/fdbe2d2ad122e141 Here is the version with sceptile next to greninja
Ooooh, i love pangoro
lets see what this teams about
Looking at trick room mega tho
That doesn't overlap too much weaknesses
With the rest
you don't really need a tr mega
i might sound insane
but dont get me meds yet
this team is an example
Manectric-Mega @ Manectite
Ability: Lightning Rod
Level: 50
EVs: 6 HP / 32 SpA / 28 Spe
Timid Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Overheat
- Volt Switch
- Protect
Delphox-Mega @ Delphoxite
Ability: Blaze
Level: 50
EVs: 5 HP / 3 Def / 29 SpA / 29 Spe
Timid Nature
- Nasty Plot
- Psychic
- Protect
- Heat Wave
Farigiraf @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Armor Tail
Level: 50
EVs: 32 HP / 16 Def / 18 SpD
Relaxed Nature
- Trick Room
- Psychic
- Protect
- Helping Hand
Maushold @ Chople Berry
Ability: Friend Guard
Level: 50
EVs: 32 HP / 24 Def / 10 SpD
Impish Nature
- Follow Me
- Super Fang
- Protect
- Helping Hand
Kingambit @ Black Glasses
Ability: Defiant
Level: 50
EVs: 32 HP / 32 Atk / 2 SpD
Brave Nature
- Sucker Punch
- Protect
- Low Kick
- Kowtow Cleave
Sylveon @ Fairy Feather
Ability: Pixilate
Level: 50
EVs: 32 HP / 21 Def / 5 SpA / 8 SpD
Quiet Nature
- Hyper Voice
- Yawn
- Detect
- Moonblast
it's been doing me very well
with 2 extreemly fast megas
The things is I want a trick room mega I want to play tailroom
you want a tailroom mega?
there are plenty of good options
For tailwind I got the two starters and I want to find trick room one tho Crab didn't work our for me
tailroom or hard tr mega?
mega drampa can work for hard tr
tailwind you get options
For tailwind I'm sure I will do one of the starters
Like which one
like, anyone at around 70-90 speed
feraligatr can be cool
elektross with discarge can work, especially since base form can boost sceptile
I thought tailroom team is a team that has one trickroom mega and one that appreciates going faster
So yea
tailroom teams usually consist of pokemon with akward speed teirs
scrafty is an example
one way to play it is with a pokemon that enjoys wind or room, and one that fits in both
like you said
Id like that
The one that appreciates trick room
but often times tailroom is for pokemon with akward speed, that you adjust depending on the matchup
Drampa can be nice
helps with weather teams
mawile can also work
but there aren't many tr megas to work with
what matchups do you struggle with?
Mostly fire types that are not zard
if you want to get spicy, mega slowbro looks cool
drampa as mentioned also resists fire
ampharos has a good matchup into them
rock slide mawile?
Golurk even?
plenty of cool option
Golurk and mawile were my favorite options at first and was looking at Slowbro even
slowbro is the funny guy. golurk is fun, but you need to keep matchups in mind, and mawile is probably statisticly the best
but hes no fun
What would Slowbros spreads and moveset be like
there are many, and i mean MANY ways to run the guy
body press + iron defense walls
with slack off to heal
scald, calm mind and smth
not running any setup with just protect, body press, psychic, scald
running full on walls with amnesia, iron defense, slack off, body press
setting up tr itself
theres a lot
what do you want to run with the guy?
he also gets coverage for some guys since hes from gen 1
ice beam, flamethrower, grass knot, shadow ball, tri attack, focus blast
I would run it a bit offensively
ooh he gets nasty plot
Set up does sound good
Slowbro-Mega @ Slowbronite
Ability: Oblivious
Level: 50
EVs: 32 HP / 15 SpA / 19 SpD
Quiet Nature
- Nasty Plot
- Scald
- Psychic
- Protect
so theres this
Slowbro-Mega @ Slowbronite
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 50
EVs: 32 HP / 2 Def / 32 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Scald
- Iron Defense
- Body Press
- Protect
Something like this
the guy gets crazy coverage too, depending on some matchups like swamp and garchomp, you can adjust coverage
you already have rain dance on volcarona, so scalds might get scary
its bulk is already hard to stop
slowking has serious potential
(i might wanna use the guy now lol)
he does
i scald on my tr rain team
hes one of the few mon that kept scald after the redistribution
yes
lmao, i almost thought my slowbro was glitched or smth
Will probably run more offensive one
Tho I think making it bulky is good
yeah for sure specially bulky. the guy needs to be able to setup first
ychu is difficult for him, but you bring sceptile to those matches
dude, i wish i had your luck
Now I just gotta get Slowbro and train it
As I am using it as a replacement for now
exactly, i wish i had your luck, yesterday while trying to get a manetric, i spent 400 tickets, all my electric tickets, and 10 k vp
i gotta get a second farig
i wanna add slowbro to a team
Hehe
at least this was only 3rd try
Will get it soon
alr, mine is ready. this team will either preform amazingly or horridly
I'll get mine soon
my slowbro is apparently a god? dodged leaf storm and matcha gacha
So what was the offensive set
Was playing cards didn't pay tooo much attention
Nasty plot, scald, psychic, and protect
max hp, a lot or max into special defense
remandier ig goes into special attack
Will put a lot but not all in spdef
thats also fine
Put that together
Do you think that now it's better to run physical or special aegi
i usually like running special sets over physical sets because you dodge burns, intim, etc
you do lose good shadow sneak though, but i personally like special more
I mean he has great attack and special tho I gotta drop wide guard
But I don't have the best coverage with his stab
Also should I run the fastest Sceptile or is this enough
i personally think you should just put enough to outspeed delphox, or maybe loppunny if you want to
my slowbro is a god, this mf refuses to get hit by matcha gacha
I think this is fast enough for that
Im loving slowbro
I'll play it soon
Unburden Sceptile is the fastest
https://klipy.com/gifs/dexter-james-doakes-3
Modest Sceptile overkill, get a Jolly 32S Sceptile if Mega
What does it outspeed in mega
Anything but unboosted Aero
Anything not Scarfed
How low can it go to outspeed everybody still
https://pokepast.es/a34fb215dd0ab873
The last of my messages is my team rn
https://pokepast.es/f2db7691624284de
Need help building the team while still experimenting
Hello guys ( ), Im here once again to ask if someone is willing to help me make a team that has as least as possible meta mons but still being strong enough to compare to the meta, Tho I know it wouldnt be able to win everything but wnat to optimze it as much as possible, I wanted to build a team that has few of my favorite mons and will happily provide the mons Id love to use and also the ones I wouldnt want to use was looking at making a tailroom or trick rrom team with balance second mode, will provide the list in a second!
pls
the list
Yes sir coming in a minute
Running what you want in this meta is uh
As choice
I'll not say it's a bad one
I mean its not the most off meta rather they had or have a few niches but fell off a bit but I wtill have fun using few of them
Doubles of course
No
Garchomp,Zard,Whims,Farig,Sylv,Peli,Arch,Raptor,Grimmsnarl,Swamp,Raichu,Torkoal,Blastoise,Sableye,Primarina,Drampa,Oranguru
Preferably(1 or more)
Pangoro,Aegislash,Volcarona,Mimikyu,Rotom(Heat,Wash,Mow),Sceptile,Cofagrigus,Runerigus,Reuniclus,
Used both had fun but pivoted for thee reasons
Here is the team I'm currently using but not having too much success
Tho there is a version that was changed
Used it as well that's why Sceptile is 23 speed
Which one
Sandstorm increases spdef of only rock types tho neither of those 3 take damage from it
But I wouldn't use anyone who abuses sand tho rain can be abused to weaken fire
I was looking at politoed as an option as it has encore and status moves
Because I think my team is gonna be mega weak to fire
So what would you do for the team I'm interested in your take
Depends sometimes it just doesn't work and I'm solely dependant on Mimi
That is on the team
This is a bit outdated team
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This is the most recent and the one I'm using
Sure brother sure
Yup but wanted to use it so it got that role
Don't really like using them honestly tho that's why I even started this team building as I think playing balance with trick room is best for me
Mimikyu isn’t weak to dark types, right ?
It was a mistake I have mental herb on it
I think that as a team it doesn't really work
Sounds good to me but how would the team change around it
Don't really like Raichu tbh
I was looking to revamp team a bit but still have some of the mons I love
do you maybe think that having Mega Dnite with Politoed as fast mode next to trick room duo or trio
With one glue in between
Two with the rest i think I can add 3 mons
That I love
And the trick room mega being mawile
With that core 3 which ones you think could work on the team
Tho I do think that than Dnite should be special
Noted sire
What about Galarian one
Slowking I mean
Yup yup okay it's water/psychic
Or am I bugging
Hmm had more experience playing with galarian Slowbro
Slowking
Tf am i talking about
This still most updated?
This is the last one I used but I will probably build a new team with some other mons mainly being Dnite and politoad
Okay I can switch up to maybe helping you make a new team or do you want me to critique that team
Both honestly
Alright I'll start with a critique cause fresh teams take a little bit of time, but poli and dnite is a strong start
this is the team
?
or this?
very cool team ngl
but the tw mode is bad
u have floette good tw swepper
volcarona good tw setter
aegislash bad tw support too slow
and then what?
u add mimi?
u could change floette for maw and chnage volcarona for a tr sweeper
like gambit
So I'm assuming you are going for both a tailwind and trick room with the idea for this set. Crabominable is a strong choice for being a trick room sweeper, however it is very susceptible to fighting mons and sun teams, which generally have both Sneasler and Charizard. You don't have an answer into them at all and crabominable generally prefers to sit in the snow to bulk it up. Realistically, reuniclus is not the life orb sweeper you should be using. Hatterene life orb is more dominant in every way.
Because you are using a tailwind and trick room mode, you are stuck in a way that you can't reliably set up either. There is no pressure to force trick room to go up and you are stuck outside of trick room on a super slow team.
For your tailwind team you've got kind of a similar issue. Volcarona is not fast enough to be a reliable tailwind setter and you're not threatening enough to be able to get it up safely.
U could change e floette for hatreene and torkol for volcarona
Idk if I would want torkoal and crab on the same team. Crab on its own hates the sun. I would either lean into crab and do a snow setter or I'd lean into torkoal and get rid of the crab
And then get rid of reuniclus for farig. It's better in every way
yeah
https://pokepast.es/cb20c2d025d563e8
im crazy
For dnite and politoed, you would definitely want to give strong support for dnite. A good way to do that is sinistcha. Hospitality gives it the chance to reactivate multiscale and it loses one of its main weaknesses to fire by being in the rain. Farig and Raichu are a problem so having life orb garchomp is good to be able to threaten big damage, however it gives you a double weakness to fairy, so now we are probably looking at bringing in gambit. I'd round out the team with an alternative mode to Dragonite with mega swampert to lean into rain or with mega metagross to provide an answer into teams with strong fairy types
Not the toucannon nooo
ghost and ground inmunity
and slow
Honestly I wanted to try to build around my favorites but I have felt how bad the team actually is and that is why I'm here. I was looking to get a fresh start and look at the more popular options while still trying to preserve some of my favorites. That's why I was looking at Dnite plus politoed as Dnite is very strong and appreciates rain that most mons I like loves to play under as they hate fire. Them being Aegislash and Mawile as my idea went. So that would give me the core 4 of Dnite, Politoed, Aegislash, Mawile and trying to fit in at least one of my favorites tho not sure which as the whole idea of the thread is that
Honestly I do love having options of both trick room and tailwind and Dnite gives me that choice with it being able to set it up for himself, also I adore playing trick room as well as most games I do go for trick room being either to clean up or remove mons at the start
Big problem with Aegislash is it just gets eaten alive by the ghost types in the meta and Charizard makes it disappear. Mawile kind of similar, Charizard makes it barely usable and Garchomp finishes it off
They have a lot of overlapping weaknesses that hurt right now. In the future they may be more viable but there is a reason they aren't meta
Is there any chance then for Pangoro, Mimikyu or Volcarona on it or Rotom
I think two of these could work
Or Mamoswine I know he is good into few of the mtea threats rn
Pangoro and volcarona not really. Mimikyu or rotom maybe in place of sinistcha
Can we find a niche for Pangoto
It fits really nicely in the trash can
Its main problems are it's super slow, not bulky at all and very weak into fighting and quad weak to fairy
Fairy is definitely the worst thing to be quad weak to. Only thing worse is fire lol
Damn
So im really that unlucky that most of my mons dont have even a nicke
niche
It's not that they don't have a niche, it's more that they just are really unfortunate to bring into the meta which has some decently powerful sweepers
Like I'm sure there is a world where you could focus sash pangoro and get it to pop off
But definitely not now lol
So I just have to wait for regulation to change
So in 10 days I can hope to do something with it
Maybe but I wouldn't expect it unless we get a really strong ghost type
What goes type can even save it or can a strong steel type help
Honestly I don't know hahaha. I'm sorry it's hard to make pangoro feel okay
I mean when I used it previously I was using Roseli berry with max Hp and it could survive some hits
Yeah you could probably make it survive something but it is weak to flying, fairy and fighting and that's just a really unfortunate three right now
Yea I know
But I think with some 5 we can do it
With the current 4 and it
Tho I dont know who the 6th can be
https://pokepast.es/056037130e7903eb
Here is my idea
Tho built it in national dex format
Tyrantrum existing as a mascot
Didnt know what to put on it honestly
honestly, i think this would work better with peli over tyrantrum. rain looks amazing with this
I hate the bird thats why I want Tyrantrum
then politoad
but i also think this works
Tyrantrum @ Focus Sash
Ability: Rock Head
Level: 50
EVs: 32 HP / 32 Atk / 2 SpD
Brave Nature
- Head Smash
- Close Combat
- Protect
- Dragon Claw
or this
Tyrantrum @ Focus Sash
Ability: Strong Jaw
Level: 50
EVs: 32 HP / 32 Atk / 2 SpD
Brave Nature
- Ice Fang
- Psychic Fangs
- Protect
- Rock Slide
Was thinking about that and mega Dnite but settled on Mega Giri and Dozo
both dozo and goli like the rain
Which one do you think fits better
Yup I know
Maybe 3 mega team?
i like more instnt damage with rock head
but if you need more coverage, do the other one
As two of them don't have to mega evolve
It's 85 percent yes?
Accuracy
even mega goli likes rain. nulifies its 1 weakness
80 sadly
though its a nuke
Agree
off stab and 121 base attack
3 team mega does sound good
With a tw setting dnite
What do you think
that sounds cool
but maybe on another team? that sounds like a whole other idea compared to this one lol
3 different megas
As would say 2 2 2
Doesn't matter which 6 you bring it can work
Has more weaknesses than the first team but it can work
Wait no that's not how 2-2-2 works lmao
Than I am wrong
2-2-2 HAS to have dozo giri lol
Ohhhhh
That makes sense
There are rare exceptions but dozo giri is the 2-2-2
So just remember that
Noted sir
And what are the rare exceptions if I may ask
Perfectly synergizing pairs
Noted on that
And also quick question what are your thoughts on the team as well
Generally when a new regulation comes out, it is super hard to tell.
This is doubly so with M-C because we have no idea what tatsugiri will be getting as his ability, nor golisopod with certainty. We also don't know what moves Pokemon may be losing or any other nerfs they may receive.
Also tyrantrum is never good unfortunately
We don't even know for sure if we are getting the dozo giri combo
It's pure speculation based on a balloon
Understood sir
