Building a Competitive Vivillon Team | VGC Strategy Guide
Summary
The Pokémon Champions | VGC Battles & Tournaments server hosts a deep dive into competitive team building featuring Vivillon. This discussion explores optimal movesets, including Sleep Powder and Tailwind, while debating the viability of Choice Scarf versus Focus Sash. Members also analyze synergy with Charizard X and potential support options to help players refine their competitive strategies for upcoming VGC tournaments.
Trying to make a team around vilvillon need some advice and help as well
Hey I heard they’re really good with choice scarf at the moment
Will they not be good with sash coz it is very frail
Yeah I think that’s why
Then the high accuracy sleep powder
I was thinking of using move set of sleep powder tailwind hurricane and protect or should i use polen puff instead of protect
Hmmmmmm. Pollen puff could be cool on the scarf. Really quick heals
No protect on scarf
Scarf will force me to only use one move
Yeah you don’t use protect really on Pokemon that lock in move items
That’s the trade
Ok so what should i ev train it full speed and special attack
Yeah or max hp but hp may be pointless and you’d be better with special attack
Pretty sure hp would be pointless yeah
Ok which other pokemon will be good with vilvillion
Like a pokemon with fake out will be good
I was thinking of using blastoise with white herb and shell smaks so it doubles its speed,special attack
Soooo I haven’t been paying much attention to viv myself
Tho I’m noticing some daring people trying to run it Zard x
Charizard x ?
Yep
Sleep everyone dragon dance and sweep
I think is the goal
Ok so what move set should i use with charizard x d
Haha
Usually I think it’s dragon dance protect flare blitz and dragon claw
Rn a friend is debating weather to use temper flare over flare blitz tho
Ok
All the moves have 100 perecnt accuracy so the chance of failing is none
No dragon claw into fairies
And hitting protect
Actually kinda seems likely
So which move to use flare blitz or templare ?
Total you decision ! I’d go flare blitz it’s more tested to work at the moment haha
What should i ev my charizard ?
lol I’ll need Mav to answer that one
Isnt breaking swipes good it has 100 percent accuracy lowers oppenents attack and attack both oppenent at once
Where to put other ev
Ok 2 pokemon done now what 4 rest pokemon should i use ?
Uhh. So I would say sinishtea or however it’s spelt but then you’re kinda really weak to fire
Maybe maushold or clefable
Maushold for follow me ?
Yeah ! I think he also really wants redirection
Clefable has some heal options too
Now it’s sylveon so do maushold lol
Sylveon seems his best partner
So i use maushold or clefable ?
Maushold
Because you need sylveon
K its moveset and evs ?
What is the diffrence between maushold normal and four ?
lol taunt follow me protect super fang
Max hp and speed might be a rough estimate for Maushold
Sylveon would be max hp and special attack
With uhh detect Hyper voice . I guess I see them with quick attack sometimes
Sometimes Hyperbeam to remove things you don’t want to deal with .
Not entire sure on its moveset
What iteam is good with maushold
For a bulky one I wanna say say sitrus
Focus sash could just be a safe pick tho
Good team
His put some crazy work into it
What will be good move set for syvilon
Yes
What is the diffrence between detect and protect
Ok so we have vilvilon , charizard x , maushold and sylveon and which two more pokemon ?
Ok
Which fake out pokemon snesler ?
Scarf...?
What
I was going to say "If you were going to use Zard Y, you can have weather ball on Sylveon and on Vivillon" but Zard X is being used
So my opinion is invalid
Alright alright
So
Firstly
Why did we talk about scarf vivillon
Is that fr a thing
It’s a thing now
lol
Because if it is I'm just genuinely out of it atp
Moreover
Vivillon plus yard sounds awful
My current team
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I think its specifically for sleep powder, though it gets Quiver dance
So we are fr using a choice scarf sleep powder bot
In a sleep nerfed metagame
It’s from some big tour !
Where sinistcha prevails
Pretty sure that’s why it’s a thing
I don't get it
Happened like a week ago
Outsiders aero
Our speeds **
out*
Fml
Just run Venu atp
What was it ran with
Blasto?
Yes actually 😆
You just reminded me
Hahahaha
Oh makes sense then
You only need a turn with blasto
To smash
I assume it was
Smash tect pulse spout or som
Which two pokemon should i add or this team need more adjustments ?
Yeah no don't run vivillon
It's only good at this team comp with scarf
It's like
Saying
Imma run ariados
Because it was used in that one team
Where it was the perfect fit
This has lasted longer then the ariados train hahaha
Scarf vivillon is exactly that
Perfect fit on this exact team
Nowhere else will it be good imo
So i use vilvlion with choice scarf and not sash
Focus sash
I'd say keep sash
And with yard I'd be friend guard
But that's just me
I'd drop powder
Ok which two more pokemon should i add ?
Like twind tect rage powder hurri/sun
Rotom - wash ?
What's sylv for
Also drop breaking swipe on xard TS isn't gf
Wah said it goes good with maushold
I'd drop Maus and sylv in favour of sinistcha gambit
No goes good with Zard x
Need that spread damage
I'd do friend guard on vivillon
So you don't need Maus anymore
And sinistcha for healing
Than sleep poweder wont be accurate
To stop blitz from killing you
I'd drop it
Rage powder twind tect sun
Pollon puff seems good on this kinda viv
/filler last
Puff is a call
I think breaking swipe on xard is pretty good. Tough claws boosted attack lowering goodness.
I'm just seeing what Viv sets I have that I can share
It's not gf man
It won't be having that bulk
Unless you build it like it
I am down for bulky
But you definitely need sinistcha them
So i drop sleep powder for rage powder ?
Then
I doubt xard with swipe beats yard leads at +1
Yeah no one wants to click a 70% sleep powder
Friend gaurd should maybe be more of a supportive role
Makes me think if going with this version of viv wouldn’t maus just be better ?
And I'd run sun on vivillon for the rain mu
You appreciate twind and sun setting
Lemme do some calcs
Rage powder and follow me I think are better on tanks mons. If you end up getting rock slided or Earth quake you didnt really do anything. I would focus more on statusing and dealing damage. I like pollen puff though. If you get tricked a scarf you can still have a damaging and healing option
So i should use sunny day to counter rain team ?
Yeah that always seems like a good option having some control
Sunny day is just as bad, if it can set snow that would be better
Currently, it looks like these are the four sets I have for Viv so far
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Didn’t even know it learnt weatherball !
I did say earlier that if Zard Y was being used both Viv and Sylve could use Weather Ball
The fact sylve gets fairy weather ball if no weather or cloud nine is up is so cool
And I feel like you don't need to do Rage Powder bulky stuff for Viv if you have Mous on the team
Only just realising now haha
You can easily do sweeping stuff
Can u all decide and tell me which one is good set for vivllion
I don't know if it is actually affected by pixilate or not, since I use it on Sylveon in Champions and it still keeps the normal type for it
Top one haha
But you needed tailwind too
Have you done it out of a weather or with cloud nine active?
Yeah, I don't have it on a weather team currently
Thats odd
The top one for my sets can easily swap out Struggle Bug or Pollen Puff for Tailwind
Just depends on which one you need more
I feel Zard x needs everything
Redirection
Heals
And speed control
Tailwind is more important for me
Just learned that weather ball can't be -ated by abilities. Thats so interesting
Same lol
I think rage powder , tailwind , polun puff and hurricane will be good
All it needs is a quasher 😉
Sab is good for a lot of stuff hahah
I can see that working
Does this dude need protect ?
He seems frail even with max hp
Honestly zard x only fears what's faster than ot, it can do crazy damage. I think its worth looking into
Charizard-Mega-X @ Charizardite X
Ability: Tough Claws
Level: 50
EVs: 2 HP / 20 Atk / 11 Def / 12 SpD / 21 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Flare Blitz
- Dragon Claw
- Dragon Dance
- Protect
Have had 3 different conversations about Zard x today lol
My unpopular opinion is I thought this argument was settled in 2015 or whatever when incin basically made him unusable
Not sure what changed in this meta . I guess less incin useage ?
I meant between Pollen Puff and Struggle Bug
For longevities sake I guess but , its kinda like whinsicott. Its kind of expected he is going to be borked and not present after a move or two. Dual wing beat from all the openers will get it after its t wind start up . Plus if it dies its a free switch which there is value in a mon that folds that easy
Fair personally I haven’t ran it or Zard x so I’m trying my best to give decent input hahah.
Like can u tell me which 4 more pokemon will be good with vilvllion and charizard x
lol 😂 I thought we had picked 4 already
I still think sylveon is a must
Ok so which 3 more than
I had a set specifically for Coaching and then I have the current set now
Can’t do teacup if you got viv I think
You got heals and redirection and speed control ? in the one mon then you got spread damage
The viv seems weird tbh heals redirection and tailwind on the 1 mon seems weird idk why
Should be fine
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The second one looks good kinda how it was described to me by someone today
Without outrage
The first one is for coaching to be used on it
I had it paired with a Scarf Lucario with Coaching and Final Gambit
I was thinking about running that kinda lucario lol
Seen it in a that’saplusones video
With mega audino
I was using it during the beginning of Champions coming out
This takes an archaludon floette moonlast, ohkos archaludon with sun, takes two eqs from adamant chomp through friend guard after sinistcha hospitality healing and three water spouts in sun through friend guard
Ninetails?
So I can fully say that I used to first
Whichon alola ?
Yep
I have heard
The viel goes very well with Zard x
Has a 70% chance of taking a hyper beam from sylveon through friend guard, should probably make spdef a bit higher
At this point you have all the support you need
Two spare slots
Easy option could be a fire water grass core with the Zard
So like Milotic
And tsareena
Gives you more protection
I have something that gives both speeds and screens for Zard X, its a suspicious key shaped lump in the Zard's belly
Are you meaning khlefki?
lol
Screens and Thunder Wave
I heard from a user over Zard x teams today that they apparently have an issue with Zard y
I thought that was crazy
Klefki
*Klefki
Makes sense, because it runs some specific pokemon that love to fuck up our blue fire dino
Probably meant garchomp
I see lol
Ok sorry i was eating so u decided which 3 othe pokemon to use ?
Ok so i m using vivillion with rage powder ,pollen puff , tailwind and protect and ,charizard x with protect, dragon dance , swipes , flare blitz and syvilon with detect quick attack , hyper voice and hyper beam
Hey so that’s 3 ?
Tsareena Milotic and
You would want more offense
Ninetails
You could do Kleavor
A friend is doing that and he likes it a lot
Which ninetales like the kanto one or the alola one
Alolan.
Can u tell all the moveset and iv of all these 3 pokemon like tserna and milo and ninetales
Evs*
Sure give me second I’ll make them on showdown
Ok
Also tell the ablities as well
So u got sash on viv ?
I can’t imagine what other item to run on Ninetails
I need sash on viv
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What do you like the look of for Ninetails ?
I didn’t understand sorry
Milotic @ Leftovers
Ability: Competitive
EVs: 28 HP / 29 Def / 9 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Recover
- Protect
- Scald
- Icy Wind
Tsareena (F) @ Miracle Seed
Ability: Queenly Majesty
EVs: 32 HP / 32 Atk / 2 SpD
Adamant Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Protect
- Taunt
- Trop Kick
- Triple Axel
Ninetales-Alola @ Never-Melt Ice
Ability: Snow Warning
EVs: 2 HP / 32 SpA / 32 Spe
IVs: 0 Atk
- Protect
- Aurora Veil
- Moonblast
- Blizzard
Ninetales-Alola @ Never-Melt Ice
Ability: Snow Warning
EVs: 2 HP / 32 SpA / 32 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Protect
- Aurora Veil
- Moonblast
- Blizzard
Not sure if it should be icy wind or blizzard
So my team is mostly ice team right
Or hail team
Not really it just wants the veil
I don’t think you need it it’s more like your bulk mode
Ok
Let me use this team and see how good ot is
Scary lol no pressure on the Zard x team hahah
