Help Using YouTube VGC Team Lead & Counters

vividbeacon-61 OP

I copied this team from youtube and im having a hard time using it, idk how to use the team and who to lead i need help im stuck at ultra ball😭

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merrykitten-85
@vividbeacon-61 I copied this team from youtube and im having a hard time using it, idk how to use the team and who…
happykitten-50

Cybertrons videos have guides at the start no?

vividbeacon-61 OP

He has but i dont understand what he’s saying

@vividbeacon-61 He has but i dont understand what he’s saying
happykitten-50

what don't you understand?

vividbeacon-61 OP

What he says in the video

cleverinbox-49

Well he gives rly detailed instructions

cleverinbox-49

Use x leads, these are y weaknesses

@cleverinbox-49 Use x leads, these are y weaknesses
vividbeacon-61 OP

Huh?

@happykitten-50 what don't you understand?
vividbeacon-61 OP

Yo what teams are meta rn my team got too much counters i think

@vividbeacon-61 Yo what teams are meta rn my team got too much counters i think
happykitten-50

This team is meta haha

happykitten-50

There's like one "counter" and you can beat it with a bit of positioning

@happykitten-50 There's like one "counter" and you can beat it with a bit of positioning
vividbeacon-61 OP

I always lose on raichu decks

cleverinbox-49

Metagross is good against it too

happykitten-50

you you ice punch/hurricane

vividbeacon-61 OP

And they attack my pelipper

@vividbeacon-61 And they attack my pelipper
happykitten-50

Then your swampert should be free to do anything

cleverinbox-49

Well duh, they aint gonna just sit and let your swampert wjn

happykitten-50

I don't thik this is a team issue, just experience

@happykitten-50 I don't thik this is a team issue, just experience
vividbeacon-61 OP

Yeah i think so

happykitten-50

Which is not a problem

happykitten-50

Everyone starts somewhere :D

cleverinbox-49

If there was a pokemon who was unbeatable everybody would use it

vividbeacon-61 OP

But if i face a raichu deck who should i lead?

cleverinbox-49

I think they give leads in the vid

@vividbeacon-61 But if i face a raichu deck who should i lead?
happykitten-50

Probably just swampert/peli

happykitten-50

But yeah check out Cybertrons vid

vividbeacon-61 OP

Alright

@vividbeacon-61 Alright
happykitten-50

The gamplan should either be earthquake and hurricane the grass type (If they lead raichu + grass)

happykitten-50

Unless it's faster than peli for some reason

cleverinbox-49

This conversation has made me rlise I don't have an electric resistance or inmunity

vividbeacon-61 OP

I also need to know what attacks their pokemon have

happykitten-50

Which is like exclusively sceptile haha

@cleverinbox-49 This conversation has made me rlise I don't have an electric resistance or inmunity
happykitten-50

Swampert bro

happykitten-50

And Archaludon

vividbeacon-61 OP

I lost to a gallade because i didnt know it has a grass type move

@happykitten-50 Swampert bro
cleverinbox-49

I said I

cleverinbox-49

Not them

@cleverinbox-49 I said I
happykitten-50

ohhh whoopsie

happykitten-50

I mixed it up

cleverinbox-49

Archaladon is freaking terrifying for me

@vividbeacon-61 I lost to a gallade because i didnt know it has a grass type move
happykitten-50

yeah, that's just experience again haha

vividbeacon-61 OP

Do i tailwind first turn?

@happykitten-50 yeah, that's just experience again haha
vividbeacon-61 OP

Yeah

@vividbeacon-61 Do i tailwind first turn?
happykitten-50

Depends

cleverinbox-49

Brick break scrafty does 2 shot it but thats still too slow

@happykitten-50 Depends
vividbeacon-61 OP

If they are not threatening?

happykitten-50

A lot of the time you'll just be fast enough because of swampert swift swim

happykitten-50

Moreso you should tailwind if you need the speed control

happykitten-50

It's a very "just in case" move on peli

vividbeacon-61 OP

Ngl i might change grimmsnarl for sableye because i dont find grim useful

@vividbeacon-61 Ngl i might change grimmsnarl for sableye because i dont find grim useful
happykitten-50

It's very useful

happykitten-50

Helps is the Zard matchup

happykitten-50

And trick room

happykitten-50

You can lead it with swampert nd parting shot into pelipper as you mea evolve

vividbeacon-61 OP

What does trickroom do?

happykitten-50

That's one example

@vividbeacon-61 What does trickroom do?
happykitten-50

Reverses speed order :)

vividbeacon-61 OP

Like the slowest become the fastest?

happykitten-50

So your swampert, who is normally lightning fast in the rain, becomes the slowest thing on the field

@vividbeacon-61 Like the slowest become the fastest?
happykitten-50

correct!

vividbeacon-61 OP

Ohh

happykitten-50

It's a move that a lot of teams are based off

vividbeacon-61 OP

That’s why

vividbeacon-61 OP

Btw is there a counter for encore?

vividbeacon-61 OP

Btw in choosing my pokemon what should i think of first?

vividbeacon-61 OP

What should i lead against rain teams

vividbeacon-61 OP

I always lose

vividbeacon-61 OP

Against them

@vividbeacon-61 What should i lead against rain teams
happykitten-50

Usually Sinistcha and probably archaludon

vividbeacon-61 OP

And what should i put on my back

happykitten-50

That's rains worst matchups. Keep practicing :)

@vividbeacon-61 And what should i put on my back
happykitten-50

It's up to you :D

@happykitten-50 It's up to you :D
vividbeacon-61 OP

Did i lead the right mons?

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@vividbeacon-61 Did i lead the right mons? ![image](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1520396563287904276/1520…
happykitten-50

Against zard? I'd say lead grimmsnarl swamper, and leave sinistcha behind

happykitten-50

Bring peli and Arch in the back

happykitten-50

That way you can set up screens, and switch the rain in on their sun

vividbeacon-61 OP

I hate staraptor

vividbeacon-61 OP

Grass type decks is my weakness

vividbeacon-61 OP

I dont know what to do when i encounter them

happykitten-50

It doesn't

happykitten-50

Again this is just experience

vividbeacon-61 OP

Bro i encountered 6 straight raichu and charizard team

happykitten-50

But you can beat those

vividbeacon-61 OP

I honestly cant

vividbeacon-61 OP

Grimmsnarl doesn’t do a thing

vividbeacon-61 OP

Even tho i put screens

vividbeacon-61 OP

My swamp still gets ko

vividbeacon-61 OP

What team do you use?

vividbeacon-61 OP

Do i just switch the version?

@vividbeacon-61 Grimmsnarl doesn’t do a thing
happykitten-50

it does a lot

@vividbeacon-61 What team do you use?
happykitten-50

I just use a metagross balance team

@happykitten-50 I just use a metagross balance team
vividbeacon-61 OP

Nice i guess the meta is different in higher ranks

@vividbeacon-61 Nice i guess the meta is different in higher ranks
happykitten-50

why?

vividbeacon-61 OP

Do you have a rain team i can copy

@vividbeacon-61 Do you have a rain team i can copy
happykitten-50

Yes it's the one I sent you

happykitten-50

It's good

happykitten-50

Done well at tournaments

@happykitten-50 why?
vividbeacon-61 OP

I mean in masterball rank staraptor wouldnt work

@vividbeacon-61 I mean in masterball rank staraptor wouldnt work
happykitten-50

It doesn't work as well, no, because the players are better. But rain is still a very strong team

vividbeacon-61 OP

This?

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@vividbeacon-61 This? ![image](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1520396563287904276/1520685144954900610/IMG_8…
happykitten-50

yes

vividbeacon-61 OP

Whats the strongest team rn?

@vividbeacon-61 Whats the strongest team rn?
happykitten-50

doesn't exist

happykitten-50

You could argue Zard Y, but that's gotten a little worse recently

happykitten-50

Mostly cause of Swampert

vividbeacon-61 OP

Is zard+raichu better than rain

@vividbeacon-61 Is zard+raichu better than rain
happykitten-50

no

happykitten-50

if you want we can hop in the vc here, I'll stream a couple of showdown games with the team

vividbeacon-61 OP

Aight

magicrocket-59

my snow team hardcounter this team btw

magicrocket-59

better try some sun teams

@magicrocket-59 my snow team hardcounter this team btw
happykitten-50

no it doesn't lol

happykitten-50

not if the rain player has any clue

magicrocket-59

mega frosslass evolution in proper team , freeze dry of my glaceon reks pelipper and mega swampert

@vividbeacon-61 This? ![image](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1520396563287904276/1520685144954900610/IMG_8…
magicrocket-59

i had fought this same team for more than 6 7 times in uball

@magicrocket-59 mega frosslass evolution in proper team , freeze dry of my glaceon reks pelipper and mega swampert
happykitten-50

ok so Uh what about grimmsnarl and metagross

happykitten-50

What if I wait for you to mega and use parting shot to get in pelipper

happykitten-50

What if I just don't bring swampert

magicrocket-59

aurora veil and snow makes super effective hits be tanked , mega frosslass gets rid of mega metagross

@magicrocket-59 aurora veil and snow makes super effective hits be tanked , mega frosslass gets rid of mega metagro…
happykitten-50

no it doesn;t LMAO

magicrocket-59

bro it does what are u on

happykitten-50

Shadow ball does maybe 70%?

magicrocket-59

yes

happykitten-50

And if you're aurora veiling then I get two free hits on you

magicrocket-59

i have a fake out grimmsnarl to stall out turns of mega metagross and hit parting shots when needed

@magicrocket-59 i have a fake out grimmsnarl to stall out turns of mega metagross and hit parting shots when needed
happykitten-50

so you're just leaving my other mon completely untouched, got it

happykitten-50

good luck!

magicrocket-59

i constantly change my partner of frosslass , either glaceon comes or grimmsnarl comes

happykitten-50

ok

magicrocket-59

glaceon in snow is very hard to remove with bright powder

magicrocket-59

i abused snow to reach mball

@magicrocket-59 i abused snow to reach mball
happykitten-50

I beat snow to get to masterball

magicrocket-59

glaceon also has shadow ball , so this team is hard countered

happykitten-50

If you say so man

magicrocket-59

sun teams trouble my snow team

magicrocket-59

rain team players doesnt try to bring rain , they just follow a online template and try reaching mball

magicrocket-59

they try once or twice for rain , then stop it , i always push snow with frosslass

happykitten-50

Don't let your matchup opinions be tilted by brainless copy/pasters haha

magicrocket-59

im sure you are a better player than me , just saying the mindset of players matter more than the team

@magicrocket-59 im sure you are a better player than me , just saying the mindset of players matter more than the t…
happykitten-50

I agree

magicrocket-59

snow cloak is really underrated , people dont know about it much

magicrocket-59

i run snow cloak mamoswine and glaceon , they do the maximum work

@magicrocket-59 i had fought this same team for more than 6 7 times in uball
vividbeacon-61 OP

Damn

@magicrocket-59 better try some sun teams
vividbeacon-61 OP

Should I?

vividbeacon-61 OP

Damn orangoru strong asf

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