Best Ancient Empire? History Debate at FriendZone

Mongo

Neither

Do chatgpt instead

The Umayyad Empire bc they destroyed both

Didn't they exist before th Mongolian empire

Yah but after they collapsed a new empire was born and destroyed the mongolians after they attacked them

The Abbasids came after them and they got defeated by the Mongols tho

Even tho that doesn't mean they won actually they were very defeated after Battle of Ain Jalut and many other battle but this one it was there biggest lose ever which made them retreat for the first time

Yh the Mongols lost against the mamluk sultanate in Egypt, tho it didn't fall entirely since I just broke into diff empires

Mamluk is separate to Umayad and Abbasid tho

Yep

You could search it

Oh and let's not forget they got abbasides when they were weak and at the end of there time

Didn't some move to central Asia and Iran tho, two of I think it was 4 main empires after the Mongol empire separated

Ok then you would know it was infect a big loss for the mongols

Ofc since all empires will fall in some way or another

The Roman was definitely the most civilized one and the most advanced for the time, and it's the one that built the most wonders and magnificent structures. The mognols were only good ay killing people. They sucked at everything else. But the best imo is the British empire. Controlled a quarter of the world, abolished sl@very and forced many other nations to stop sl@very too without ever asking for anything back. Brought civilization to most countries that were still stuck to the ancient times (they obv did a lot of bad things too which I condemn, but that was the good ones they did)

They were in deeeeeep conflict i wouldn't wish that on any country today

So do u mean that in cos they wanted more lands they became Muslim? Or for other factors

I mean the start of it also involved that since they defeated the Umayyads through battle

So you're a supporter of the British empire💀 that's wild

Ahh that makes sense

Have you read the entire thing at least?

Can you show me the exact point were I said I support it?

Yh I did, and I don't rly think the Romans were exactly 'civilised' mainly cos of the many wars that they waged, then again I feel like that word doesn't fit for any empire

True and that's why it was a big loss bc it even stopped the Mongols from stepping a foot on Africa and it was bug for muslim back than bc of how Baghdad fall

In many ways yes

U said they abolished sl@very which is a completely wrong take, European empires literally thrived off it

It's rather your points which sound like u do instead of the take, which I agree is strong

"Civilized" meaning they had te BEST bureaucracy of the time. They were extremely advanced in managing and controlling the places they conquered. That's how they lasted almost 2000 years

Yeah, but they were too divided. The Macedonians were good, but Alexander was too busy chasing dreams than being realistic

Yes but who defeated them were Kharijites we call them today terrorists and they ruled the country and ppl were mad that such ppl ruled them

LMFAO. The British empire is the FIRST EVER EMPIRE to abolish sl@very and FORCE OTHERS to do so. READ A FUCKING HISTORY BOOK

Ok so I did decide to check online for the definition of that word since there would be diff takes, but I thought it was mainly 'a refined, cultural and orderly behaviour' which is exactly what they claimed to be

I didn't say they mever practiced it. I said they ABOLISHED IT

They didn't abolish it

Which if you have ever read a history book, you'd know it's true

How abt calm down instead of screaming

Yes they did you ignorant

Don't bother this guy is full of shit he blocked me saying he doesn't want me to be near he's life

Why? You blatantly lie

I got no respect for those that deny history

Ok then

Just cuz they don't like who did what they wanted to happen

🫤

Whats happening

Britain itself was one of the biggest beneficiaries of the sl..e trade before its abolition.

🥲

LMAO

1807: the British Empire abolishes the sl@ve trade
1833: they abolished it across the entire empire (which means across a quarter of the world)
On 1807 they created the West African Squadron, a naval fleet that stopped sl@ve ships and freed sl@ves.

Byzantines were romans though. Although yes, I agree with you that they were influenced by hellenics.

Ok

Yes. And why did they call themselves that? Because the romans came there, conquered them, and "romanized" them and assimilated the Greek culture (which they considered equal as theirs)

MT Wolf u need to calm down

In ur anger

Yes and no. I agree that it doesn't automatically make them that culture. But Greece stayed under the roman empire for over 1000 years. That makes the roman culture (at that time obv, not afer the fall of Constantinople) their main culture at the time of the Byzantine empire

I would calm down, if the people I talk with wouldn't deny history just because it was a western power and white men that did something good for once. But you only have to wsit for netflix to hear about it, and it'll be blacks and chineses that stopped it🤣

Wow

How surprising

Still if ur debating in something u dont have to use anger and agression in it when People are trying to debate

You dont only have opinions

Everyone Else does too

This is not a war sone

Qiqi he'll ban you after this 😂 😂

He did it to me

Wdym

He will ban you just like he did with me

Ur still here?

I am still here always

Idc if i am blocked

I Will defend my friend

Ok valid

If someone is having agression towards them

True friends do so

Well ofc. And just like they have the right to ignore, belittle or even insult my opinion, I have the right to do the same

So whats the point being mad

Aggressive as hell

Its not fun to debate if ur gonna be mad

Sure all parties can be wrong but you can speak about it calmy

If you have problem what they said

And what's the point of being respectful towards someone that clearly don't respect me enough to be intellectually honest? I have respect only with those that are respectful to me

Where did u be disrespectful

People can be wrong yes

We can agree but it dont mean anger solves

Then u both fix mistakes

And be good again

I didn't agree with those points, it sounded like supportive points to me

I'm British, I'm against anything good said abt them so yh I'm a bit biased🫤

Nah, I consider the same since they were actual descendants of the true roman empire (far more than the Holy Roman Empire was). And regarding ethnicity, yeah they were still quite similar indeed, before the muslims invaded them.

Did you look up things

Before debating or learnt

I've read abt the British empire a lot

Such a perfect example of a good citizen

Things they do, what they forced on others, their idea of 'civilised'

So then lets say both have mistakes

And only way to find error

Is discuss

What was wrong ect

In meanings

Just cos I'm a citizen doesn't mean I'm gonna agree with what they did

In terms of being smart and calculative I will say Roman empire
Tho they were terrible to non romans...,
So best for themselves
Worst for others

Lets talk this calmly

That's fine but if someone decides to scream over a debate then I found it pointless to do so

I suggest you don't argue with this guy so he won't take your valuable time out of this life

So u both speak out what went wrong

And solve issue

Do you think it was better if the people they conquered kept living in huts, with no running water, no medications, high infant mort@lity, sl@very, etc...?
(Regardless of all the other barbarities they did, which I condemn like you do)

If it works

If not then ignore eachother if it wont work

Yh I'm gonna try and keep it short since I gotta go off soon

Yes. But you should also be intellectually honest enough to recognize all the good things they did too, instead of only the bad ones That's how history works, everyome is good and bad at the same time

If u mean Africa then acc they were very advanced and had many large flourishing empires, tho I haven't researched it much so I just have very basic knowledge but they weren't living in the stone age

Every place conquered by Romans (like it happened with every other civilization) was heavely influenced by them. So indirectically yeah, lkke it was also conquered and influenced by arabs too

There barely did anything good but fine

Like which empire? Which one had the same level of any 1700s European or Asian civilization, please?

Lkke the Magna Charta?

I just said I didn't research abt them

To name the most basic example

That's more specifically England and it's king during that time

Yet you clearly know very little about history. Easy to say "they were all bad" when the average "empire" in africa at the time, except the Ethiopian one, had the same level of technology of Europe before Christ, so almost 1000 years behind the rest of the world

Oh, if you see it that way I agree with you. I thought you meant that they weren't influenced too

Abt African history yes but you're trying to debate me on smth I clearly said I didn't research, but I did research the British empire

Did it work

Idk

Are we friend ly now

I gotta go for smth

Okay see u

I Will watch youtube

Oh, so you didn't research on them, but yet you clearly stated that they were "still had advanced empires"

Bye-bye

you see? This is the disrespect I was talking about. They claim they didn't research, yet they jave no problem being intellectually dishonest and claiming the false

Which is when the respect goes out of the window

Ok there is no disrespect in that

Nothing goes out of the window

So what happend is like confusion in it and they prob thought u Meant something else

Can happen

Buddy i think this is your favorite ()

Like IK not everyone remember history

And stuff need knowledge

But it can be confusing

If they think u mean something Else

So i dont think they Meant to disrespect u

Just had confused something with something else

The problem is no one could be disrespected about such thing 😂

People have different tollerance lvls

Like example i get offended ez

And they did not mean it that way

So we have to communicate and what went wrong

It can happen

Am srry but if you get offended by someone saying something that is false and you knowing it's false is disrespectful to you like even if ppl have different opinions all could agree you have a problem

For mt wolf

People view things different

Dosent mean People are bad

But they have diff lvls

In things

Which can Come crashing

Into an arguement

I agree but even tho you know she said something false most ppl will agree on that so why think it's disrespectful

Tru

Every human being is different

Remember that

Something is Just more offensive

To others

It is how IT is

And i agree but a healthy human being could not be so sensitive about false facts maybe she meant something else but he took that personally and he did the same with me so i think he has a problem fr the last time before he blocked me he was talking about how muslim shouldn't pray in the streets and that it was he's street and he could do what ever he wants

Huts were culture and not all their homes are mere but invalid
Most indigenous people and Africans and Asians had wonderful civilization before Romans came to mess things up
So this is invalid
Most 3rd world countries were never like this before if not for their conquerors selfishness

IK she Meant something Else prob so i tried fix

Misunderstanding

Lets see if it Will be better

Your a good friend qiqi fr

Maybe

I forgot they have ask

Pronouns

Who

Sometimes People misunderstand people

Mag

Part of human nature

Is she she or they them

Idk im trying lol

Trying is what makes you a good friend

Ask pronouns it was

Maybe

Idk much about friendship

Well in friendships a good friend trys everything for he's friend even trying is good

No. Give proof of what actually haplened, and show others that they were acting dishonestly by claiming the false without knowing the truth. So that others can easely see who they really are

Ye maybe

Are you being serious, this situation can be handled calmy, dont wish bad upon others, only communication and seeing wrong and apoligize for it is best solutions and be on good terms again

And how is that disrespectful that's the thing you can't answer bc you blocked me for the same claim

BOTH sides

You blocked me saying not to be near your life

Sure give them time to say they were wrong and u are also wrong for using anger instead of thinking like

Maybe they misunderstood me

Should i help them understand better

Maybe the situation could been handled differently

True i agree

But idt understanding is he's cup of tea

Ye

I learn that

Being on good terms again is good

If u have misunderstandings

I forgot i was gonna watch youtube

Thay's not how I handle intellectually dishonest people I just shame them since they do not deserve respect from me

You'll call me bad and all mames of the book, but yk they would do the same to me anyway, so why being good to them if they cannot be capable of doing the same?

thats not ridiculous to say tha

Ok I have a friend who's read a lot into African civilizations so if u want I can forward that info

So u say Just bc People do errors they are not Worthy?

Ill be good to those i speak with that's different

Thats why u have to talk it out

No, why purposely distorting my words? I said if someone acts dishonestly, which they did, since they admitted to not researhing what they were saying and yet they still denied history, they will not get respect from me

Suit ur self

Ig

I'm talking abt not reading into Africa and also they did have empires😐

I did basic research abt it

Maggie i swear this can't be more funny 😭

This is making me sad💔

Sadness🥲

Am depressed already

Ofc they did. But having an empire doesm't mean they had am equal level of civilization than other empires had

Yes also depression

Dont be not everyone Will like u fr

Js be happy Who you are

Do u want the info I got from my friend who knows abt it or not

I asked them specifically since they wouldn't have agreed with your take

Oh no thanks, I trust basic research rather than words from "a friend that knows" (still, I'm not denying that your friend doesn't know about it)

There's references to it

Dude, do you realize that you have made your personal mission to be present in every take I am in just to belittle me in front of others. ONLY BECAUSE O said that I did forgive you but that I didn't want to unblock you because I was good not seeing your messages. Like I feel honored that I'm living rent free in your head😂

People can know

Be Nice to eachother

Im done

I was here before you even talked man and now it's confirmed you actually see my messages 😂

Y R U here💔

U enjoying the show🥲

It's gone so bye bye

Lol

Same ngl

Bro thinks he's important i don't care about you man am just here to watch and see if anyone's is right and no your not living in my head rent free bc i don't care about what you say but you said some wild stuff already so am here to see if they were right and stand to who is saying the truth

The same guy who refused to unblock me all tho i made a whole post apologizing to him bowing my head to the ground and saying am srry just bc i felt like we started on the wrong foot and i said am srry but i didn't do anything wrong but i said am srry bc i wanted to be a better person and apologize is i did anything wrong but apparently it's not good enough for mr mtwolf who refused to unblock me saying ( i don't want him near my life)

Like i was thr devil or something

I say just don't apologise to others, it's tiring and a waste of time especially when they don't acc forgive (I've gone through my own fair share of that shit)

Why would you care if he blocked you or not 🤦

That doesn't make u evil or anything

If am wrong ill definitely apologize

Ofc it's fine but it's no point dwelling on it, especially if it still makes u feel bad even after u apologised meaningfully

Bc he said i forgive you but he didn't unblock me it's like a homeless man asking for money but you refuse giving him money saying you will be better someday

As I had said in the other post too, I had forgiven you and told you that I didn't have hate in my hearth towards you. But that I wouldn't unblock you because I was better without seeing your messages. Apparently the only thing you can't do us accept that I had no more problems with you, and insead of just letting go of the fact that I didn't want to interact with you anyway, you took it personally for no reason

Alr ill close it and move on ill take it as a lesson

Mate that's literally what ppl will say sometimes so it's best to just ignore it and don't give a shit abt whoever it is (I'm speaking from experience)

Will do

Does him blocking you stop you from getting oxygen...?
Just keep going on with your life omy...

"Who is saying the truth", yet you didn't have the honesty to tell Maggie that she was wrong for denying that the British banished the sl@ve trade amd actively tried to stop it, while I provided historical proof. Yet you didn't say a thing when she simply ignored it and didn't apologize for saying the false

I did accept but you respond was not so forgiving saying i don't want him near my life like damn man what did i do that was so bad you didn't want me near your life

Y'all keep calling me a she when I never mentioned my gender

I'm not gonna say sorry for that lol

Also I barely attacked u

Exactly. He just couldn't accept it. What if I hadn't been honest and simply kept him blocked without him knowing?

Well your name is Maggie and it's a female name soooo

That's not my real name

All am saying you could've answered better

It's a food noodles brand

Damn ok unknown mysteries i like it

Oh...

Lol yh

Because you have different beliefs than I do. I have no hate for you, but I also have no desire to share my presence with someone that has different views from me

It was the way he said it that pissed me off

All I'm saying is that you could have moved on instead of acting like a kid and never letting it go

It's y refers to me as they, I don't mention it

And all am saying is you could've answered better but you decided i wasn't a good person to the point you didn't want me near your life

So you have no problem with the fact that you were saying the false even though I proved that you were being wrong, AFTER YOU ASKED ME PROOF TO BACK MY TAKE?

Why does my belief determine my conversation with someone it's discord everyone here has different beliefs

Oh hi i didn't see you

Again not because you're not a good person, but because you have views incompatible with mine. As I said, I didn't have hate for you. I simply do not stay around people that have views that are against mine

That's the whole point of discord is to talk to different ppl

Damn why ??

I did not mentions it i tried to fucking help and u point me put as the bad person

Mhmmm ok

No I didn't mean it in a bad way QiQi, I was talking abt my gender

Because that's how I decided to choose who I surround myself with. If I want to block someone that has values that hare against mine so that I don't have to see their blabbering every day(not you obv, it's a generic example), I have every right to do so

I'm me, who are you?

No I didn't say that

You couldn't just ignore them

I fixed my wronging wish i did wrong and i dont was pointing at u when apoligize i Said it would be better if u both was good terms

Bur it dosent matter

No I'm glad u tried to calm it down, I just don't like saying sorry to ppl but I'm not saying u did anything wrong

You asked me for proof and said it was false that the British empire abolished sl@very and forced others around the world to do the same withojt ever asking for compensation for all the men losts. Again, you are being dishonest. do you jnderstand now why I had no desire to be respectful towards something like them?

I do so by blocking them. But apparently you had a problem with me doing so

Nice to meet you

Still why is that disrespectful am trying to understand your point of view false of information is spreading in the whole world as we speak

I do not think that at all

The British empire didn't abolish it, wait a sec I'll forward some info

Not with you blocking me the way you accepted my apology ill see it as miss understand from me and ill ignore it

Then why i was pointed like villan when i tried my best helping situation

How is it not disrespectful to engage in a debate knowing that you are lying only to disagree? I have other words to describe that, but they are a bit more offensive.

Kinda disrespectful

Fine if u guys dont want peace ur choice dont involve me

True me too plz am only here for the apology

Can I talk to u in DMS? This is a misunderstanding and I didn't mean it that way

Leave it I can't find it

Idc anymore

1807: they abolished the sl@ve trade.
1833: they abolished sl@very itself across all the British empire.
Learn to read a fucking book you illitterate liar and dishonest fucker

It's good man/woman/alien/unknown/Maggie

OK YOU PROVED YOU'RE POINT IDC ANYMORE LEAVE ME ALONE U POS

I'm done interacting with someone that has no problem lying like that. I already know what kind of "British" you are

See? It wasn't so hard to say you were wrong instead of doubling down on your lies😂

It was really that easy

Ig

Oh, I forgot /Noodles

Oh well, hope you enjoy your meal😂

Call me however you want, idc

Gummy bear music starts playing

Choclate for me dark is best

Yup

Coffee empire

🚶‍➡️ --------> (exit)

Lolll

So silly

Oh god no.... am srry you could repent and go back to coffee if you want

Then nothing but death will be acceptable for my might will destroy all tea lovers thay soul shell be put to rest

Death is Death for my mercy shell not touch a tea lover

It will never be the power of coffee compels you demon

OMG THE DEMON INJURED ME OH CURSE YOU DEMON CURSE Youuu.....(dead)

What sup

Mhhh that's a good question

The Maroë kingdom