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@zestyyellow-29 Individual racism is happening even today. Systemic racism has happened to white people throughout…
grandquiver-69

There have been events through history but I don't think it relates to all 'white' people, that term has changed with groups being included and excluded

@zestyyellow-29 and that has still happened to white people.
grandquiver-69

Do you know when modern systemic racism started and where

@grandquiver-69 There have been events through history but I don't think it relates to all 'white' people, that ter…
zestyyellow-29 OP

I am speaking of the race and not individually we as a race have faced racism of every nature. Me as an individual person has not faced systemic racism.

@grandquiver-69 Do you know when modern systemic racism started and where
zestyyellow-29 OP

It doesnt need to be modern to still be racism. I agree we are not currently under that racism however it still existed and has happened.

@zestyyellow-29 I am speaking of the race and not individually we as a race have faced racism of every nature. Me a…
grandquiver-69

Racism how since we're probably thinking of different examples of it

@grandquiver-69 Racism how since we're probably thinking of different examples of it
zestyyellow-29 OP

Systemic racism in Zimbabwe.

@zestyyellow-29 It doesnt need to be modern to still be racism. I agree we are not currently under that racism howe…
grandquiver-69

Wait so you don't think it's happening now?

zestyyellow-29 OP

They were beaten and killed for their race.

@grandquiver-69 Wait so you don't think it's happening now?
zestyyellow-29 OP

No, I think individual racism is still happening and is surprisingly common in todays day and age however I dont think (or atleast know) that white people are in current systemic racism.

@zestyyellow-29 Systemic racism in Zimbabwe.
grandquiver-69

So the government back in the 2000s

@grandquiver-69 So the government back in the 2000s
zestyyellow-29 OP

It was during the late 1900's

@zestyyellow-29 It was during the late 1900's
grandquiver-69

And what was going on for decades before that

@zestyyellow-29 No, I think individual racism is still happening and is surprisingly common in todays day and age h…
grandquiver-69

Ok so ur referring to a specific type of it

@grandquiver-69 And what was going on for decades before that
zestyyellow-29 OP

Does this mean that white people should face racism? Secondly it wasnt because of slavery.

@grandquiver-69 Ok so ur referring to a specific type of it
zestyyellow-29 OP

Im referring to systemic racism which white people have faced.

@zestyyellow-29 Does this mean that white people should face racism? Secondly it wasnt because of slavery.
grandquiver-69

I didn't ask that question to justify what happened afterwards, I asked it for actual context of why it happened since not everyone will decide to just commit violence against a race/ culture/ community etc

@grandquiver-69 I didn't ask that question to justify what happened afterwards, I asked it for actual context of wh…
zestyyellow-29 OP

I see, well people moved there, had a political opinion and settled. After almost 100 years they went on to beat and kill white people due to race. That was a moment white people were beaten and killed

@zestyyellow-29 I see, well people moved there, had a political opinion and settled. After almost 100 years they we…
grandquiver-69

What was going during those 100 years? Did the people they snap and attack the whites, like was there any reason or was it just genuine hate for the settlers

@grandquiver-69 What was going during those 100 years? Did the people they snap and attack the whites, like was the…
zestyyellow-29 OP

Well there were many things and dont get me wrong they were violent and unjust however you dont beat and kill people for something they didnt have a say in.

@zestyyellow-29 Well there were many things and dont get me wrong they were violent and unjust however you dont bea…
grandquiver-69

This seems like a sort of example where we can't just call it racism since it was probably bubbling up for decades, and besides a few years before the country was under British rule and everyone knows the empire often leaves a mess

@grandquiver-69 This seems like a sort of example where we can't just call it racism since it was probably bubbling…
zestyyellow-29 OP

Did they beat and kill them and hate them for their race? Yes. Whats that? Racism.

@zestyyellow-29 Did they beat and kill them and hate them for their race? Yes. Whats that? Racism.
grandquiver-69

Your saying it as if it's only cos of their race, and again this isn't a justification tho remember people from many regions often hated settlers coming onto their lands and there were many other things which also happened

grandquiver-69

'mindless violence' against a group of people never really comes out of nowhere, this can be said for pretty much all places around the globe

@grandquiver-69 Your saying it as if it's only cos of their race, and again this isn't a justification tho remember…
zestyyellow-29 OP

It was oppression for their race. I feel like despite them being innocent and supporting a political belief doesnt mean they should die.

@zestyyellow-29 It was oppression for their race. I feel like despite them being innocent and supporting a politica…
grandquiver-69

Ofc no one should die but I think using the term racism also ignores all the underlying issues which lead to this happening, there's a lot more to it other than just race

@grandquiver-69 Ofc no one should die but I think using the term racism also ignores all the underlying issues whic…
zestyyellow-29 OP

Yes there can be underlying issues however this doesnt exclude them from racism.

zestyyellow-29 OP

Same for slavery.

zestyyellow-29 OP

We all agree its racist

zestyyellow-29 OP

However nobody would say that.

zestyyellow-29 OP

They would say its because they were dirty and not actually people

zestyyellow-29 OP

and a lot more fall into that

zestyyellow-29 OP

having underlying issues doesnt exclude them.

@zestyyellow-29 We all agree its racist
jadetiger-51

???

jadetiger-51

Slavery isn't racist tho.

@jadetiger-51 Slavery isn't racist tho.
zestyyellow-29 OP

woah

jadetiger-51

Well, American slavery is.

@zestyyellow-29 Yes there can be underlying issues however this doesnt exclude them from racism.
grandquiver-69

Tbh racism seems to be a term stretched thin nowadays, I mean this through a bigger lens since having certain opinions is considered racism nowadays

@grandquiver-69 Tbh racism seems to be a term stretched thin nowadays, I mean this through a bigger lens since havi…
zestyyellow-29 OP

Yes but they were targeted for their race.

zestyyellow-29 OP

If they were a white man they would assume they were settlers and go on to ebat and kill them.

@zestyyellow-29 Yes but they were targeted for their race.
grandquiver-69

Again, it was more than just 'for their race' since all the settlers were white I'm pretty sure

@grandquiver-69 Again, it was more than just 'for their race' since all the settlers were white I'm pretty sure
zestyyellow-29 OP

Then you can apply the same to slavery

grandquiver-69

Tf I got timed out for trying to say Zimbabwe is mostly black💀

zestyyellow-29 OP

LOL

zestyyellow-29 OP

Yes the country is but that doesnt mean they can beat and kill them

zestyyellow-29 OP

UK is white majority in some areas, can we go around beating and killing?

grandquiver-69

That's two completely different countries with different reasons for people first moving to each, mainly settlers

@zestyyellow-29 Then why are you arguing?
daringcandle-95

Arguing?

zestyyellow-29 OP

Black people are coming here illegally, does that gain me the right?

grandquiver-69

Besides Britain was the one who colonised them in the first place, non Brits didn't try and take over

@grandquiver-69 Besides Britain was the one who colonised them in the first place, non Brits didn't try and take ov…
daringcandle-95

Real

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