Is Social Murder Real? A Deep Dive Debate

Summary

The FriendZone | Make Friends ⋅ Fun Chill Active Chat ⋅ VC Social Gaming ⋅ Memes ⋅ Nitro Emojis ⋅ Anime community recently engaged in a thought-provoking debate regarding the concept of social murder. Members discussed whether economic oppression and wealth disparity constitute intentional harm or systemic consequences. This discussion highlights the diverse perspectives found in our active chat, where members tackle complex social and political topics alongside gaming and social fun.

livelycactus-72 OP

Basically social murder is the idea the economic and political oppression of vulnerable groups leads them into premature death. So like the actions of billionaires have 'murdered' many people even if they themselves havent killed or ordered the killing of anyone directly

quickbadger-36

:pepetea:

quickbadger-36

Define murder

grandquiver-69

I don't get the social murder thing but it could be more that they're 'complicit' since they could be indirectly involved

livelycactus-72 OP

People dying prematurely because of reasons brought on by a person

quickbadger-36

Oh. I asked for the definition of murder

livelycactus-72 OP

Just make ur point lol

quickbadger-36

My point is that

quickbadger-36

The same situations you feel caused social murder

quickbadger-36

Affected everyone

quickbadger-36

We some of us ain't dead

quickbadger-36

And murder is kinda an intentional act to end someone

quickbadger-36

So if it was there goal, we would have been long gone

livelycactus-72 OP

Well yeah cos it affects the most vulnerable people in society so of course we dont all die. But would u agree that wealth disparity and rising cost of living which causes more poverty contributes to more death from people who otherwise would not have died

quickbadger-36

I wouldn't agree to that

quickbadger-36

I get that the rich/government does control the economy. But you can't say cause of death is by high cost of living

livelycactus-72 OP

So when unemployment goes up more people dont die?

quickbadger-36

But that ain't murder. Because it wasn't done with an intention of ending people

livelycactus-72 OP

Yeah ik its obviosuly not murder in the legal sense

livelycactus-72 OP

Thats not what im saying

quickbadger-36

Alright, if all bad conditions caused by theses people which according to you lead to death

quickbadger-36

What's you gonna do?

quickbadger-36

We would kinda need proof to show that they intended for the act of murder rather than profit making

livelycactus-72 OP

I mean they know as well as anyone that their actions negatively impact on the vulnerable groups in society yet they do it anyway

snowyorange-96

Erm

quickbadger-36

It's more like survival of the fittest. The ones who died, just couldn't keep up with the system. And yah can't arrest for it because people did survive

snowyorange-96

Stare

livelycactus-72 OP

Thats so insane

quickbadger-36

Such is society

livelycactus-72 OP

So ur saying that people who oftentimes by no fault of their own die is evolution

grandquiver-69

What

quickbadger-36

Kinda. They couldn't adapt

livelycactus-72 OP

So ur ok with people chasing profit knowning full well whats gonna happen to some people

quickbadger-36

It's an ever changing world

livelycactus-72 OP

Thats so disgusting

quickbadger-36

Life isn't exactly a fair game

quickbadger-36

Even the poor create situations that lead to people dying too

snowyorange-96

Idk

livelycactus-72 OP

And you would agree those are wrong?

livelycactus-72 OP

Which doesnt mean we should kill those who get unlucky

quickbadger-36

Maybe ,maybe not

quickbadger-36

Hmm

livelycactus-72 OP

U a fucked up guy fr

livelycactus-72 OP

Hmm to that is crazy

quickbadger-36

No one is killing anyone

quickbadger-36

Do you really think their goal is to end people

quickbadger-36

The goal is to make profit out of people

quickbadger-36

If they wanted to cause murder like you think

quickbadger-36

We got nukes

livelycactus-72 OP

Yeah and they full well know what the bi products of that is

livelycactus-72 OP

Thats not what i think lol

quickbadger-36

And people survive that situation

livelycactus-72 OP

And people dont survive too

quickbadger-36

Yeah. Adaptation

quickbadger-36

It's a win win situation

livelycactus-72 OP

U have gotta be ragebaiting

quickbadger-36

Let's look at the what actually killed them

quickbadger-36

High cost of living right

quickbadger-36

What's the solution for that

quickbadger-36

Jobs I guess

quickbadger-36

Anyways. One last question

quickbadger-36

What do you intend to do about this term called social murder

grandquiver-69

They indirectly do

livelycactus-72 OP

Wow if only people who had jobs were guranteed to be above the piverty line and not get instsntly sunk if they get sick or have aan accident

quickbadger-36

Okay. And? What do you want to do about it

livelycactus-72 OP

Convince people, more people that beleive the more likely change is to be made

grandquiver-69

No I'm just stating that

livelycactus-72 OP

Thats a defeatist argument

quickbadger-36

Hmm

livelycactus-72 OP

People have more power than they think

quickbadger-36

Convince the same people who put the government in power

quickbadger-36

That's funny

quickbadger-36

It's never going to change

livelycactus-72 OP

Ok so that means we should give up?!?!

livelycactus-72 OP

Trying to make change

grandquiver-69

It's not always democratic

quickbadger-36

Bad government Nd rich people isn't just one person

grandquiver-69

Even boycotts sometimes work out

livelycactus-72 OP

Im not stupid lol

livelycactus-72 OP

So ur argument is currently its not gonna change so why even try

quickbadger-36

Let's look at corruption for example

livelycactus-72 OP

Which is exactly what people in power would love to hear haha

quickbadger-36

Do you think just because I know it's wrong, I wouldn't do it if I'm a president :armscrossed:

grandquiver-69

That's usually what most people think if they don't wanna get involved

quickbadger-36

I love people in power

livelycactus-72 OP

What country

livelycactus-72 OP

Fair

quickbadger-36

Doesn't matter

livelycactus-72 OP

I mean im tryna understand who exavtly is in piwer that u love lol

quickbadger-36

Most of the people in power I guess

quickbadger-36

At least they get do to things

quickbadger-36

Anyways, so you have identify something known as social murder

quickbadger-36

What is the solution for that

livelycactus-72 OP

R u a trumo supporter lol

livelycactus-72 OP

Societal change i spose

quickbadger-36

Because technical it's caused by everyone

livelycactus-72 OP

Redistribution of wealth and power

quickbadger-36

Lol

livelycactus-72 OP

Avoiding oligarchy that has too much political influence

quickbadger-36

For wealth you never worked for

quickbadger-36

That's poor mentality

livelycactus-72 OP

Lowkey the first good take u have come out with

livelycactus-72 OP

Im not daying take it from the rich and give it to me as a cheque lol im saying higjer taxes and penalties on ultra high net worth individuals that can then be used to fund social programs

quickbadger-36

Let's look at something, you think only the rich nd government cause social murder. Let make an example

quickbadger-36

So a government make a project on making a new road

livelycactus-72 OP

When did i say that

quickbadger-36

Budget is given

quickbadger-36

My bad

quickbadger-36

Sorry about that assumption

livelycactus-72 OP

Fair

quickbadger-36

And the money for the road is passed out

quickbadger-36

People in power cut their share of it

quickbadger-36

And people who are supposed to do the work also cut their share of it

quickbadger-36

And then what's left is used to make up a bad road

quickbadger-36

And that same road can lead to accidents

quickbadger-36

Technical, the whole cost of living and what ever causes social murder is pretty an everybody contribution

quickbadger-36

Like even traders could up their prices of goods

quickbadger-36

And also the idea of wealth redistribution that ain't possible

livelycactus-72 OP

Yes and thats the system we live in but the ones guarding the system and also contributing to the inequality in the greatest degree are at the top

livelycactus-72 OP

Literally is what taxes fund btw

livelycactus-72 OP

But ur also right

livelycactus-72 OP

Its hard to tax rich people

quickbadger-36

They tax rich too

quickbadger-36

But you ain't like them

livelycactus-72 OP

Yeah but proprtionally to their actual net worth its not as much as it should be cos of the loopholes that exist to dodge tax

quickbadger-36

So their wealth is mostly in shares which can't be taxed

livelycactus-72 OP

Yup

quickbadger-36

Anyways, social murder maybe a thing

quickbadger-36

But the goal of it isn't to murder

quickbadger-36

It's for profit

livelycactus-72 OP

Yes i agree

livelycactus-72 OP

But that doesnt make it any better lol

livelycactus-72 OP

Idk why u have drawn that out as some big point thatll make my argument fall apart

quickbadger-36

Anyways. My point is it doesn't matter who sits at the top

quickbadger-36

We all have our bags to fill

livelycactus-72 OP

Yes i agree

livelycactus-72 OP

People at the top of about 1 billion bags and they are all overflowing btw

quickbadger-36

Yeah

quickbadger-36

That's why we wait for our turn

quickbadger-36

Things like corruption existed before I was born

quickbadger-36

That's ain't gonna stop when I am in :frogsip:

livelycactus-72 OP

So ur legit just evil lol

quickbadger-36

Oh

quickbadger-36

I like rich people

quickbadger-36

Rich people don't hate on rich people

quickbadger-36

The poor do:armscrossed:

quickbadger-36

Just trying to use morals to ask for something you didn't work for

quickbadger-36

That's just crappy

livelycactus-72 OP

First off im not second off thats reasonabke third off they didnt work for ts either

quickbadger-36

:catstare:

quickbadger-36

Do you know how hard it is to run for an election

quickbadger-36

Yah gonna have to bribe people in power:armscrossed:

quickbadger-36

And also the public

quickbadger-36

And this and that

quickbadger-36

They do some good when they are in power but everyone gotta eat while the power lasts

livelycactus-72 OP

The big trump a net negative to the earth and thats ong

quickbadger-36

Trump is a lesser evil:armscrossed:

grandquiver-69

A coup works too

quickbadger-36

Wait until you see when a poor guy gets power

quickbadger-36

And so the cycle cont

livelycactus-72 OP

Than what

grandquiver-69

Trump has a bunch of others working behind the scenes, he's mainly the figurehead

snowyorange-96

Awh na

quickbadger-36

Then what ever comes next. No one can really please everyone

snowyorange-96

I see Trump session

quickbadger-36

:straightface:

grandquiver-69

Hahaha

grandquiver-69

What

livelycactus-72 OP

I mean maybw if fucking stephen miller got elected or sum lol

quickbadger-36

Nothing serious. Just wondering why we are having this conversation instead of stopping social murder 🤧. Oh right you need power to do that

quickbadger-36

:armscrossed:

quickbadger-36

That would be nice, a new type of evil

quickbadger-36

This one is getting boring

grandquiver-69

U need power but doesn't necessarily mean just rich ppl

grandquiver-69

And trump is a rich man in power

livelycactus-72 OP

Nothing about stephwn miller is nice

quickbadger-36

Right

quickbadger-36

We don't know till we get a new taste of evil

quickbadger-36

:frogsip: come to think of it

quickbadger-36

They are all doing what they want,so we are the ones calling it evil

livelycactus-72 OP

U dont know who stephen miller is do u

quickbadger-36

Nah

quickbadger-36

Should I?

livelycactus-72 OP

Honestly based take but not for the reason u think

livelycactus-72 OP

Probs not tbh

gentleunicorn-93

Who is he?

quickbadger-36

Alright

livelycactus-72 OP

Part of trumps cabinet

gentleunicorn-93

Doesn't make him evil yet

pearlguitar-88

It could happen to anyone not just rich ppl

livelycactus-72 OP

Thats not why he is evil lol

grandquiver-69

Oh so he's the one that separated immigrant families in the USA

livelycactus-72 OP

Once again agree

livelycactus-72 OP

Bro is a white supremacist as well

gentleunicorn-93

So he ain't evil at all?

livelycactus-72 OP

R u retarded

gentleunicorn-93

Tf

grandquiver-69

Has white nationalist ties (just looked it up rn)

livelycactus-72 OP

Exactly bro weird asf

gentleunicorn-93

I asked you a question, and you should be answering that question. That's how questions work, doesn't it?
So let's keep all those slurs aside and talk about the topic

livelycactus-72 OP

I answrred ur question and then u misinterprwted what i said sorry for the slur lol

gentleunicorn-93

Its ok.

gentleunicorn-93

I didn't see that answer. It was fault from my side too

livelycactus-72 OP

Fair

livelycactus-72 OP

U kno ball fr

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