Pink Tax Debate: Community Discussion at FriendZone
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The FriendZone | Make Friends & Chat ⋅ Active Social Fun ⋅ Chill ⋅ VC server recently hosted a lively community debate regarding the existence of the pink tax and the accessibility of period products. Members exchanged diverse viewpoints on economic responsibility, product pricing, and social equity. This discussion highlights the active and opinionated nature of our community, where members engage in thought-provoking conversations on real-world issues.
no i meant when you called me a retard
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If we can never achieve this they should at least lower the prices
Great. Firstly I would like to see evidence of this as I have granted evidence based on my topics. Simply stating its there because you say so is flawed and doesnt truly provide anything. However I will argue your point none the less, it has been proven also that the 7%-13% more price is because they add other stuff inside it. Products are rarely the same and have to account for womens hair lengths and what they are truly going for. Price gaps are typically driven by different formulas such as different moisturisers, scents or other chemicals that benefit female hair types. It has also been disproven on many accounts such as someone going ahead to find a mens aloe vera skin care and womens aloe vera skincare and were priced at the exact same. Your "pink tax" is simply from different and more expensive formulas which is how the market should and does work.
Now for the second point of products, whilst you are correct that men dont go through menstrual cycles and have to pay for such products when I state this I am not simply saying "women shouldnt have products and must pay." what I am saying is that it is unhealthy for the economy. Think of the Communist theory. Everything is free and such and yada yada but besides this the economy fell, you know why? Because with the lack of money they were unable to make products and ship them into the company until eventually nobody could provide anything and Communism simply fell down. I understand it isnt to the extent but you must think of it as such. If a company was to make it free then they would need to somehow get income somewhere else and if they didnt then they wouldnt be able to make the products nor ship them and then women would go through a worse problem of having no period products at all. Sometimes you need to focus on the inside work and not what you believe will work in theory.
Think of the "pink tax" as if you were selling something. Imagine someone came to you and you had two toys and said "this is $10" and they said "throw in the accessories" and you said "okay but you need to pay $11 now" then that is what it technically is, the more products and formulas they add the more expensive the price should be even if its only by a pound.
If the pink tax truly existed why dont women buy mens products? Because women have special and more advanced formulas for their hair. You may not buy a men shampoo due to it possibly ruining or drying out your hair. Thats why they add extra formulas in womens hair products so it doesnt dry out and provides for your hair. If you add extra stuff it should cost more.
I wanna start with your first point about the price gap and different formulas. The pink tax is not just one example it is a pattern seen across hundreds of products. Studies from places like New York City and California looked at items that were the same in ingredients size and use and still found women’s versions cost about seven to thirteen percent more. Your aloe vera example does not cancel out this bigger evidence because those studies specifically checked for matching items and still found the price gap. If formula or hair length really caused the difference men with long hair would pay more for men’s shampoo and women with short hair would pay less for women’s shampoo but that does not happen. The price follows who the product is marketed to not how much it costs to make. Companies themselves say that gendered packaging adds almost nothing to the cost so the extra charge is not for a better product it is just about charging one group more. Now about your "toy theory" are you saying razors have different ingredients then mens razor? No, because razors don't have ingredients, yet why is it that the woman's razors are still more expensive then mens? And saying "Woman should by mens products then" We do. It has been a long practice for us that we do buy men's razor, men's shaving creams and men's face washses due to the ridiculous prices of pink tax we have to relay on the cheaper products which is mens products
Right your first point. I again would love to see evidence of this that you have not provided. The "tax" is based on different formulas. Secondly as a man with long hair I do pay more for my hair products or else my hair gets frizzy and dries out quickly so there you point is already flawed. Third with the toy theory your point is already debunked as I stated previously mens razors are more expensive than womens razors so I dont know what you are talking about. Fourth, the reason you buy mens products is because they have what you need, womens products do not have the same as mens products which is why even I sometimes alternate between womens conditioner and a mans shampoo, they provide different outcomes.
I do not see where you are going with this as you stated points I debunked three messages ago.
Now for your second point about free period products and the comparison to communism. That is not a fair comparison because giving people basic things for free is not the same as getting rid of all markets or private business. When governments give out these products they do not make companies work for nothing. They buy them in bulk just like how they buy toilet paper or soap for public restrooms. Companies still make money supply lines still work and production does not stop. Scotland gave out free period products to everyone in 2021 and there was no economic crash no shortage and no system failure. The cost was small and steady and sellers actually liked having big regular orders, Many other places removed tax on these items or gave them out in schools and nothing bad happened to supply, The idea that free things cause scarcity is backwards. Shortages happen when people cannot afford to buy the products at all which is exactly what happens when these items are too expensive. When people can get these basic things they stay in school stay at work and help the economy grow over time. This is not about communism it is about seeing that a normal body need should not be a financial burden. We already accept that public water schools and restroom supplies do not break the economy and the same idea works here.
I didnt say it was communism but I said to view the economy as if it was. To make a product free you are again actively ignoring the company making the money. They need a profit and they need money. Now could it work and has it worked sometimes? Yes definitely as you stated in Scotland but that doesnt make it the right or correct thing to do as nobody gains money, they are all effectively losing money from this. Again it puts risk on the economy whether subtle or huge it is still a risk to be accounted for. Some companies biggest sellers are period products and to remove that would remove their whole income source.
The most cited study comes from the New York City Department of Consumer Affairs in 2015 which compared hundreds of products across many stores. It found women’s items cost seven percent more on average and for personal care the gap was thirteen percent even when products served the same purpose and had no meaningful difference in ingredients . A later study from California confirmed this pattern. These are not one off examples they are systematic reviews of the actual market. One matching aloe vera pair does not cancel out hundreds of products where the same item costs more simply because it is marketed to women.
your experience with long hair does not disprove the broader pattern. You are choosing different products that work better for your hair type which is not what the pink tax is about. The issue is when the same product same brand same ingredients same size costs more just because it says for women. If men’s shampoo was exactly the same as women’s but cheaper that is the gap. Your choice to pay more for specific formulas is about preference not gendered pricing. Many women also have long or thick or frizzy hair and still pay more on top of that. The tax applies to identical goods not to different formulas you choose because they work better.
The point wasnt my issues compared to someone elses, it was proving your argument was flawed. You said men dont pay more for their products with long hair whilst yes they do because shampoos and conditioners affect your hair differently based on length and ive experienced it first hand. Mens shampoo and womens shampoo are different qhich explains the game. Identical products almost consistently are the same price.
Yes it doesnt cancel out but I am giving product to product references whilst you are giving news articles. The products themselves prove a point.
If you want to talk about this then call me because its getting late for me.
pink tax is real!! ^_^
for example, at my local shop, womens' razors are a buck more expensive than men's razors (the only difference is the colour). idk if that's everywhere, but my point is that pink tax is real, even in the little thingss
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I understand your experience and I am not arguing that different hair types or lengths do not need different products. They absolutely do. That is not the disagreement here. The difference is between choosing a formula that works better for your hair and being charged more for the exact same item simply because it is labeled for one gender. Those are two separate things.
You say identical products are always the same price but that is not what the data shows. The New York City study looked at hundreds of items side by side and found the same brand same ingredients same size and same function often cost more when marketed toward women. This was not about different formulas for different hair needs it was about the exact same product with different packaging. For example one brand of plain cotton swabs was exactly the same except for the box color and the women’s version cost 11% more, that has nothing to do with hair length or formula. That is pricing based on who they think will buy it.
Yeah that would be great cause it's unfair for women but you have to know that we are living in a capitalist world , unless the sick people get treatment free cause it ain't fair for them to spend money on something that only affects them , you can't hope for a larger part of the society to get free pads . Because pad can also be considered as healthcare
I get that we live in a capitalist system and nothing is truly free. But that does not mean we cannot make things fairer or more affordable. Healthcare is exactly the reason period products should be treated as essential not luxury. Everyone agrees basic healthcare should be accessible because it is a biological need. Periods are not a choice or a luxury they are a normal bodily function just like needing medicine or hygiene. And we already provide many basic public things for free or low cost like schools clean water and first aid. Those things cost money too but we accept they are important enough to support. It is not about making every medical thing free overnight. It is about not charging extra for something people cannot live without. Removing unfair taxes or making them affordable is not asking for the impossible. It is just asking for the same fairness we give other basic needs.
Yeah you are right but what I'm saying is that they are more cases that are more extreme than paying pads , don't what to belittle the cost of period products, but there are much worse situation that governments are not fixing. Even if it is hard, the majority of women can pay for their healthcare but if we take example of homeless people, extreme sick people, people that can't afford eating their situation make them in danger so fast and if state didn't care about them we can't really hope for half of the population.
They shouldn’t be free but they should be pretty cheap at least
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And yet again you havent provided a product to product ratio. You have no evidence of this that I have given multiple times. A debate cannot be a back and forth of "I say this" and "No I say this". You need evidence and proof, without this you dont have anything. You cannot claim it and then give me a lack of evidence for it.
You want me to go to the store and genuinely take photos of it and make a conclusion myself when research is have already done it and put their work out so others won't have to do it themselves
That would be your local shops issue and not a main corporation issue. Thats like saying one man sells lemonade for $5 and anither sells it for 6$ then I have a tax on mine. No I dont I just pay more locally.
No you can go to websites, maybe look at what they are choosing to reference. You can go online and find those very products yourself just as I did.
So personal over statics?
You realise looking at shops is still statistic over personal right?
Looking at a FEW shops is not statics
I have also provided the claim that the reason some are labelled as more due to formulas and then you decided to add your own twist and say "even near identical" when it doesnt say that. No products are near identical if they are different.
Thats why there is so little "near identical" examples is because there isnt.
Then if that's what you're aiming for then what you are talking about is not pink tax but normal marketing. Pink tax is when BOTH male and female products have the same ingredients, content, size, weight yet the prices still differ due to gendered packaging, i think your mixing up pink tax with standard marketing
Every bottle of shampoo when a new one is released or if they re-release it consistently has formula adjustments.
Omds why did my message not send.
cotton swabs that have the same content and process to make are priced higher for woman's use rather then men's