Optimizing Sand Teams: VGC Strategy & Team Building Help
Summary
At Pokémon Champions | VGC Battles & Tournaments, community members collaborate to refine competitive team builds. This discussion focuses on optimizing a sand-based team, specifically analyzing Staraptor's attack spreads and the utility of Tailwind versus alternative moves. The thread provides valuable insights into weather-based matchups and strategic decision-making for players looking to improve their performance in the Masterball tier.
Hey so this is a sand team ive built recently with the help of some of my friends. Not sure if everything is ideal though (i kinda want higher atk spreads on raptor but idk if thats good). If there’s any room for improvement, please let me know!
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Looks fine
oh
I usually do rain so im still kind of confused on the strategies
I may question staraptor's low attack without whimsicott and the fact that the mega has tailwind, but other than that, looks fine
I also would like to pose a question. What is your answer into 1. Charizard/whims lead and Swampert/Peli lead
I think it is doable btw. I just want a thought to your strategy because you'll need one going into that
Yeah its just for fun
Im js tryna have some fun
My main team is rain
I have none
New to sand
Knows nothing
Just seemed fun so id like to try it our
Idk
I thought the low atk wasnt ideal too
And tailw prolly for matchups when i bring mega ttar alongside raptor
If i had to relplace it, prolly final gambit or roost
Okay so we can step back then because overall, I really like the team. Tailwind is a little iffy on staraptor and ttar generally benefits from ddance. over something like lowkick. When you are going into matches versus sun/rain, remember that they need their weather much more than you need weather
zard y guys are dumbasses
theyre read like a book
their play is so obvious
i usually dont have to worry about zard
Sometimes, unless you get a bit higher on ladder.
🥹
Im masterball 3 at no. 10k
Is that high enough
Realistically yeah, but sometimes MB3 isn't as high as it feels haha. They difference between MB3 and MB2 is actually quite a bit in terms of tactics
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I dont think im gonna reach mb2 tho
At what elo is mb2
Isn't this literally one of the meta shaping teams
I wish
I think its the best sand team possible
But sand isnt good enough to be meta
I wouldn't call sand meta shaping at all tbh
It's one of the main teams you have to keep in mind while building lol
Its nowhere near the braindead level of metaslop like yzard
Was literally the main staraptor team pre Phox pairing
Yard isn't braindead
tru
still metaslop
well then i guess ive wasted like 8k VP for nothing hahaha
what a good day
Why
been testing it and its not as fun as i thought
The team is great
It is still a good team
i know
it doesnt feel fun tho
even when im winning
i thought it would be fun
That's why you should test on showdown first
If he is anything like me, showdown never feels fun
Showdown is never fun
I use showdown because it is a necessity not because it is enjoyable lol
Really interesting
I'm on the completely different end on this take
I still believed SD is better than champions by a lot
But that is beyond the point
You are high enough that you know what you are doing.
My little tip that I like to do is go to limitless, find decently sized tournaments and pick out teams of the top cut. Once you pick the team, take yours and play out the game in your head? What would I do if I was my opponent. What would I do into this lead? Simulate the match in your head and that kind of can get you a feel on if you like playing it
It can be tedious the first few times but eventually it clicks
Yeah generally should have a plan against top teams
Rockslide + sand pretty much covers for yard
Idk abt rain tho
Thx
Ill try
You should have a plan into the new Phox Staraptor team, yard sun, yard dual weather, sand mirror, protect the king delphox/blastoise, rain, Cybertron rain, Blaziken Froslass slop, hard trick room, staraptor fgambit trick room and mega glimmora kommo o snow slop in general
At least that's my takeee
It's a lot
Yeah thats alot
I could list out more and variables of those but it might already be intimidating
Wyu think abt this team, its my main one i use
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Ik the sable set is a bit awkward
Yeah I was gonna say I don't like sableye here
That team generally has Grimmsnarl for a reason
Trust it helps rho
Will o wisp for strong physical atkers
Light screen for sp atker
Second rain setter
And the last one
Idk between taunt, thunder wave or quash or foul play
Twave shouldn't be run with WoW. They conflict too much. Quash is usually better than twave since it was nerfed. Taunt is nice if you struggle with TR or prankster mons
Thx
Yeah
I know
Lol
I mentioned i built it with the help of my friends
Obviously we’re going to do the good ones
Yeah
He did most of the work
I wanted to use hippowdown
And lycanroc dusk
Since theyre my favs
But he said theyre bad
🙁
;((
Venu in rain is kinda rare?
U sure?
I was just seeing if the sand team needed any improvements
Yeah i wanted to join that
So sad i cant
Is it in person or online
No
Im in asia though
I could fly there but my family will not let me
oh.
wait so can i join it
even when im not in india
damn.
Since ur here
Do u know a good sun team with yzard
People call it metaslop or sth
I wanna try
Never tried it before
Any ones with whims?
Ohhhh
That sounds interesting
Dual weather?
Rain and sun i assume?
So whats the team
Give me the mons only
No need for the moves and spreads yet
Yeahhhh but
I dont rlly like to watch cybertron
Wolfe makes it way more entertaining
Id watch wolfe
Alr
Yeah but if he were making cybertron’s type of vids
With the way of editing and the backgrounds
It would still be more interesting
Alr so can you give me 2 teams?
The dual weather slop and the normal sun only slop
Yeah
Am i asking too much 🥹
Thats the normal one?
I dont have eternal floette 💔
Can u get it normally in the recruit thing
I never seen it
Despite recruiting so many times
Then how does one get it
Breh
Thx
Wha about the dual one
This team gonna suck against rain tho
Ive fought the team many times with rain
Weather ball is good against not only zard but also garchomp and awro
Aero
Psychic fangs farig
Why
I dont set up screens unless i have to
Thx
yoooo
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