Pokémon VGC Team Building Help: Indeedee & Torkoal Core

Summary

The Pokémon Champions | VGC Battles & Tournaments server hosts an active discussion on optimizing a competitive VGC team featuring an Indeedee and Torkoal core. Community members are collaborating to find the perfect Trick Room setters and sweepers to counter threats like Incineroar and Archaludon. This thread highlights the importance of synergy and strategic planning in high-level Pokémon battles.

grandmartin-31 OP

So the surprise factor of my team is the scarf after you Indeedee male with torkoal.

Indeedee mainly baits kingambit, gholdengo and rillaboom which are food for torkoal eruption.

I am looking to complete the team with 1 trickroom setter (I am thinking of farig with thunderbolt to ko peli with give me trouble with wide guard, modest farig ohko most bulky peli) and 1 trickroom sweeper to put less burden on Indeedee and 1 mega pokemon

The last pokemon has to be something which is fast so I don't rely on trickroom much and has to be super good into incin, archaludon and t-tar as they may deny the trickroom or can give my team a lot of trouble.

Atlast, I don't know why but I am not comfortable with using any mega and most of the times I bench my mega bcuz my non mega are much better on most matchups.
Any help for that ?

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grandmartin-31 OP

Need help to complete my team that I find really good in theory

@grandmartin-31 So the surprise factor of my team is the scarf after you Indeedee male with torkoal. Indeedee mainl…
solarivory-89

maybe share a pokepaste or screen of what you have right now

solarivory-89

as far ass a mon thats good into incin, arch and ttar: psychic seed sneasler (since you mentioned indeedee) kinda blows them up, with HH close combat ohkos most archaludons (experience, didn't calc) and ttar dies even without the HH

grandmartin-31 OP

What is HH ?
Also sneasler can be intimidated by incin and t-tar is always paired with exca with sash that ohko sneasler.

Also, my max atk jolly sneas never take any ohko on arch and I have to check some calcs on adamant sneas.

Will try share the pokepaste soon for much visual ideas

@solarivory-89 as far ass a mon thats good into incin, arch and ttar: psychic seed sneasler (since you mentioned i…
grandmartin-31 OP

What is HH ?
Also sneasler can be intimidated by incin and t-tar is always paired with exca with sash that ohko sneasler.

Also, my max atk jolly sneas never take any ohko on arch and I have to check some calcs on adamant sneas.

Will try share the pokepaste soon for much visual ideas

@grandmartin-31 What is HH ? Also sneasler can be intimidated by incin and t-tar is always paired with exca with sa…
solarivory-89

HH is helping hand so it pretty much nullifies intimidate

@grandmartin-31 What is HH ? Also sneasler can be intimidated by incin and t-tar is always paired with exca with sa…
solarivory-89

helping hand adamant comfortably picked up ohkos for me

grandmartin-31 OP

That's my dilemma, do I run hh farig or roar ?

Hh dmg boost is huge but with the rise in qd volcarona, perish and some other set-up strategy I am tilted to roar.

@solarivory-89 helping hand adamant comfortably picked up ohkos for me
grandmartin-31 OP

Also, which hh pkmn you use

@grandmartin-31 Also, which hh pkmn you use
solarivory-89

I used indeedee

solarivory-89

can you share a teamsheet or something similar so i can see what you got so far?

solarivory-89

screenshot from your team in game is also fine

@solarivory-89 screenshot from your team in game is also fine
grandmartin-31 OP

Ok, let me transfer my pkmn from home to go !

grandmartin-31 OP

Ignore the floette and corv, I add them as fillers

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@solarivory-89 screenshot from your team in game is also fine
grandmartin-31 OP

Her, take a look ?

grandmartin-31 OP

The after you trickroom is also a cool tech which may come once in 10 matches maybe !

solarivory-89

ah nice

solarivory-89

thats a cool way to use indeedee male

solarivory-89

Why do you not run rock slide over rock romb?

solarivory-89

you can maybe swap the dazzling gleam on indeedee for helping hand so you can trick and then helping hand

solarivory-89

having a spdef boost on torkoal seems kind of wasted since its one of your lowest stats so the stat boost doesnt give you as much

solarivory-89

probably running the spA+ spe- would be better

solarivory-89

makes better use of charcoal then as well

solarivory-89

idk how youre dealing with other fire types/sun teams, but replacing solar beam for earth power might be worthwhile also

@solarivory-89 idk how youre dealing with other fire types/sun teams, but replacing solar beam for earth power mig…
grandmartin-31 OP

Sorry for later reply.

I haven't set the torkoal yet, I trade it yesterday from my friend who just use what he want !
Indeedee is also not yet trained thus have no bulk.

Sneasler is specially trained by me so I can explain all it's uses and I drop the rockslide due to the rise of qd volcarona to negate it's speed boost and KO it next tur. As well as a way to provide myself speed control !

grandmartin-31 OP

I think I need max spd for outspeed max spd chomp z and I can have hh on torkoal to give good dmg with gleam.
It's just my theory to use koal and deedee as both offense and support according to given matchup.

Can you suggest me the mega for this team ?
I think I stack 2 ground weakness so a mega with ground resist as preferred to be physical attacker due to 3 of my pkmn already being special attackers

@grandmartin-31 I think I need max spd for outspeed max spd chomp z and I can have hh on torkoal to give good dmg w…
solarivory-89

why dont you just run chomp z yourself

solarivory-89

you already got corviknight and sneasler to check fairies

@solarivory-89 why dont you just run chomp z yourself
grandmartin-31 OP

It works but then trickroom will becomes awkward, no ?

@grandmartin-31 It works but then trickroom will becomes awkward, no ?
solarivory-89

if you run sneasler, indeedee, chomp z and corviknight to prevent opp trickroom you have a fast mode

@solarivory-89 if you run sneasler, indeedee, chomp z and corviknight to prevent opp trickroom you have a fast mode
grandmartin-31 OP

Ok thanks for the help.
Is corv moveset are optimal ?

solarivory-89

Corv really suffers from 4 move syndrome imo

solarivory-89

having bulk up and iron head are very good as well

solarivory-89

you can just play a bit on ladder and if you feel like you get more value out of another move you can swap it up

grandmartin-31 OP

Any ev suggesting ?

grandmartin-31 OP

Or item, most now a day run psychic seend to save a ton of EVs !

solarivory-89

did you calc for anything with sneasler HP?

solarivory-89

otherwise I would put max attack

solarivory-89

I use the same speed trick, but its for an open team sheet tournament

solarivory-89

in closed team sheet you can maybe just go for max speed jolly and max attack

solarivory-89

since the psychic seed will make you live modest salamence hyper voice

@solarivory-89 having a spdef boost on torkoal seems kind of wasted since its one of your lowest stats so the stat…
solarivory-89

this as well

@solarivory-89 did you calc for anything with sneasler HP?
grandmartin-31 OP

The hp.so I can live modest max satk hypervoice salamence and non- fully invested rilla grassy glide double up.
Spd to outspeed every adamant sneasler, earlier I run Acrobatics bcuz my previous team is weak to opposing sneasler but then drop when I change my team and started to run rock tomb.

grandmartin-31 OP

On which pkmn !

grandmartin-31 OP

Oh thanks.
Farig is mostly to shut down fakeout brothers and give me control against perish trap ( does roar works on m gengar ? ) , ohko any bulky peli to give me no wide guard trouble !

I pack it up with expanding force to kill opposing sneaslers and chunk down the enemy and mostly as a facade to let opponents think that I am going to use tr and then torkoal eruption, but

@grandmartin-31 The hp.so I can live modest max satk hypervoice salamence and non- fully invested rilla grassy glid…
solarivory-89
  1. Without any bulk you already live modest max SpA hypervoice salamence (thanks to psychic seed). Idk about that grassy glide double up though, my indeedee (female) is slower so i win terrain on turn 1. You can swap farig in to block grassy glide if you find yourself in this position 👍
  2. Rock tomb can work, but it also means you cant use it before setting up trick room (you risk lowering your opponents speed to the point where theyre slower than you)
  3. The trick with your stat spread is to trick people in open team sheet into thinking youre max speed when youre not. On ladder its probably better to just run max speed jolly so you can at least speed tie against other jolly sneaslers. Otherwise its probably better to just run adamant and take the better Atk stat
grandmartin-31 OP

Farig is mostly a offensive support pkmn in my team

grandmartin-31 OP
  1. As I said I first build this sneasler set with Acrobatics for other sneaslers and then switch it to rock tomb for vocarona and now that I am working on a new team I am fine with changing it if necessary, I was thinking of upperhand as a way to let rilla not use gg on my milo or prim if I add them on my team but I can add other moves as needed.

  2. I can't understand what you mean by trick is it the move trick or the act of trickery ?

@solarivory-89 1. Without any bulk you already live modest max SpA hypervoice salamence (thanks to psychic seed).…
grandmartin-31 OP
  1. As I said I first build this sneasler set with Acrobatics for other sneaslers and then switch it to rock tomb for vocarona and now that I am working on a new team I am fine with changing it if necessary, I was thinking of upperhand as a way to let rilla not use gg on my milo or prim if I add them on my team but I can add other moves as needed.

  2. I can't understand what you mean by trick is it the move trick or the act of trickery ?

grandmartin-31 OP

Also can roar works on ghost types ?

@grandmartin-31 Also can roar works on ghost types ?
solarivory-89

yeah

solarivory-89

through protect on ghost types

solarivory-89

the whole deal

@grandmartin-31 2. As I said I first build this sneasler set with Acrobatics for other sneaslers and then switch it…
solarivory-89

where did the milo come from 😭

solarivory-89

with both psychic terrain and armor tail on farig you shouldnt need upper hand against rilla boom

solarivory-89

rockslide is very good on your sneasler since it will always move first and get a flinch every 1-2 turns

solarivory-89

so that i recommend above rock romb

@solarivory-89 where did the milo come from 😭
grandmartin-31 OP

As I say in my post body I need to tr setter which I mostly think of farig and a tr sweeper, which I think can be a good role for milotic or primarina

@solarivory-89 with both psychic terrain and armor tail on farig you shouldnt need upper hand against rilla boom
grandmartin-31 OP

Oh, I completely forgot about farig armour tail, my bad

@grandmartin-31 2. As I said I first build this sneasler set with Acrobatics for other sneaslers and then switch it…
solarivory-89

i know the stat spread (jolly but only 1 point faster than max speed adamant) as an act of trickery to make your opponent think you are max speed, when you are in fact pretty bulky (still with 32 in Atk)

@grandmartin-31 As I say in my post body I need to tr setter which I mostly think of farig and a tr sweeper, which…
solarivory-89

with a setup corviknight and torkoal you got 2 pretty good tr sweepers (would need to change your corv set though)

solarivory-89

oh mb just ready you dont intend to use corv

@grandmartin-31 Oh, I completely forgot about farig armour tail, my bad
grandmartin-31 OP

I was looking for alternative for farig like rune or mimikyu bcuz having two normal psychic is kinda awkward for me. Stacking dark weakness or food for golis.

That's why I considering upper hand, I mixed some stuffs bcuz I was doing all these calcs in my head :((

solarivory-89

having both milo and primarina under TR when you also bring torkoal is kinda icky imo

@grandmartin-31 I was looking for alternative for farig like rune or mimikyu bcuz having two normal psychic is kind…
solarivory-89

runegigas is a banger ngl haha

solarivory-89

also hard walls ychu

@solarivory-89 having both milo and primarina under TR when you also bring torkoal is kinda icky imo
grandmartin-31 OP

True !
Have to swap things !

I was also considering staraptor as mega, which acts as I was running final gambit set with farig and use their double protect turn as free set-up but haven't explore this idea yet !

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