Optimizing Rain Teams: VGC Archaludon & Volcarona Builds
Summary
In the Pokémon Champions | VGC Battles & Tournaments server, members are deep-diving into competitive rain team optimization. This discussion focuses on specific EV benchmarks for Archaludon and Volcarona to counter common threats like Mega Charizard Y and Rillaboom. It provides valuable insights for players looking to refine their competitive builds and improve their performance in VGC tournaments.
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what are some benchmarks i need on this team
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this is incin spread
Archaludon
HP hits magic leftovers number
Lives fakeout + Closecombat max adamant sneasler
Lives 4 hyper voices from mega mence max modest
32+ SpA Salamence-Mega Draco Meteor vs. 28 HP / 20 SpD Archaludon: 132-156 (68.3 - 80.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
outspeeds majority sylveon sets (112 speed), Speed tie 23.9% of tyranitar sets, 25% of mega meganiums, max speed neutral base swampert,
Under tailwind I outspeed all scarf rotoms, scarf basculegion, max+ Dragapult, mega greninja, etc etc and anything slower
and arch spread
i dont remember what meganium evs do
I FOUND WHAT MEGANIUMS EVS DO
holy shi
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hi
Volcarona @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Flame Body
Level: 50
EVs: 31 HP / 15 Def / 19 SpA / 1 SpD
Modest Nature
- Hurricane
- Struggle Bug
- Fiery Dance
- Rage Powder
This is my rain team 😭
oof
aincent power
Zard-y answer
he gets so many good moves tho
its a waste of
Coz rilla zardy sini i need to bring meganium
Over mega pert
idc about him
use dazzling gleam
or maybe synthesis
Considered this
But i never really used it
btw can i change alot?
So idk
Go for it
swampert is cooked fish
im sry
Idk how much ill take on board since im alr comfortable with this and confident in it but ill definitely consider it
rillaboom to strong
I mean i have peli arch and volc
zard y isnt common rn
So rilla aint that much of an issue
one if my counters for zard y was incin whimsicott and pelliper
i tailwind and parting shot
and i had lum berry for protection against venasaur
into pelliper
zard y is strong but he cant do much in rain
Highkey zardy mega mence is where ive been struggling the most
an older counter i used was just lycanroc dusk
prioriy oneshot
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and hes genuinely so good
How effective will raindance be in OTS
with aash
close combat
I feel like its fucky mindgames calling 50/50s
ots?
Open teamsheet
idk
Coz this is for regionals 😭
Sneasler rilla i need to figure out my line for
politoed
very good
Over peli?
yeah
ik tailwind
but
I lose wide guard for psyspam
politoed tanks
Tailwind eh
Psyspam i akways have issues
oh
Not even this team
Like since SV i have struggled 😭😭
id add incineroar
lol
So poli incin
wait
Over volc and peli
mmmmmm
id drop swampert
sry rillas too popular
🥀🥀
Rilla aint even bad for me thoooo
I just bring meganiun
And volc
yeah but if ur bringing mega meganium
y bring a pokemon without an item
Base pert under tw still cleans up well
With wave crash
oت
But usually my 4 is peli arch meganium volc
If its like massive rilla centered
mmmmm
i just like psychic politoed
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Idk im like tossing between incin volc ans what 4 moves
Coz my incin set rn is blitz cc throatchop parting
Chople
Itd be in the google doc up the top
I havent updated it since i made the volc change last night
close combat?
Yea
wow
interesting
but ok
Helps secure the kill on arch with meganium
but no fake out
sad
Yea so the 5 i have is fakeout blitz cc chop pshot
I dropped fakeout for chop
Like 3 days ago
For mega gardr psyspam
wow
Like whatever that 6th mon is
Both have 4ms
And it hurts
cc seems less valuable tho
Icl im more sold on volc rn over incin
And the 5 is hurricane fiery sbug rsge and prot
I want prot
But i need sbug hurri
Fiery for froslass
And rage for sneasler rilla
So prot is more a luxury i dont get 😭😭
y hurricane
Sneasler rilla sini
Scov
More consistent than fiery into rilla and sini since rain
im a bit surprised u dont have sash on pelliper
Considered it
But damp rock has lwk saved so many games
Plus not much ohkos peli
And he can always have it broken with fajeout
Figured that damp rock was better value long term
In a perfect world he gets sitrus
But clef needs it morr
y do u struggle with currently
The team, rilla sneasler, and froslass
Personally, perish trap and psyspam
Havent seen too many mega mence but i think im decent into it
Mence zardy can be dicey but i have specific lines
u struggle against rillaboom?
And mence floette i havent seen
Rilla + sneasler
At least pre volc
wow
ok
I havent run into one since adding volc
Wait no
so
I ran into 1
But it had acro
what about now
😭
If its sneasler with acro i hard lose
But only 3 were at baltimore
And 5% on ladders
who much do u bring swampert
50/50 usually
If he has a good matchup bar rilla i still consider if meganium doesnt
But he is my go to
u basically said everything is important
Yea 😭
and archaludon is generally so good
so if i had to choose
id drop clefable
Mega raptor balance :/
mmmmm
Like its just moves now i think
I cant change any mons coz everything has a purpose
I was considering ice punch over hh?
no
maybe over earthquake
I lose good spread damage if i drop eq is the only thing
doesnt sylveon just mog?
I need prot for zardy
Ehh?
Unaware is always useful
still
sylveons really strong
and it can also help against sneasler
i gave it psychic once
and made it tank dire claw
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Can it live a +2 bb?
bb?
Bravebird
From mega raptir
ill see
Aigh
Ive never used sylve before outside of early m-a 6 mon round team 😭😭
no
it cant
Hm
Maybe idk
ur not using sash
so how about worry seed whimsicott
Play the 50/50 on thr speed tie
and drop clefable for a wide guard guy
Ill look into it, any siggestions?
but regardless after a close combat he either dies or switches out
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So youd run something like poli sylv meganium arch mpert wide guard?
i didnt drop volcarona
Oh
Poli sylv meganium arch volc
or swampert
were running out of apace it seems
Yea 😭😭
I dont think the mons can change
whimsicott instead of oelliper
and drop clefable for wide guard
yeah u made them interconnected
Yea 😭😭
u dont have anything effective against fairy
so maybe aegislash for wide guard
idk
Hear me out...
We keep mpert
i dont think u wanna change this team
u just wanna make it stringer without changing anything
Yea p.much
I said mpert coz it gets wide guard 😭😭
just give swampert sap sipper
job done
Real
Give it kelp rider or sum
Swuft swim + sap sipper
😂😂😂
wow
so now were just dreaming
ill just say
i think glaceon is really good rn
Ooo
Yessir
oneshots 2 of ur pokemon
and salemence
and garchomp with icy wind
I would bringvolc arch clef meganium
Depending
thats y they bring sneasler lycanroc
oneshot both turn one
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lol
I might make a snow team for my next event
Either next GC or regionals
hes an insane coverage mon
With glaceon
lycanroc
Deoending on the format
he gets psychic fangs
so he can one shot incin sneasler volcarona charizard
maybe even kingambit
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geez
he cant reliably one shot incin tho
Youre making me want to build a snow team now
And take that into 😭😭
Have you submitted team yet ?
ye3a
Same
Scary lol
was it the one you were playing on stream earlier?
It is
lol
fuck yea
Depending who you were watching me battle I was getting my ass kicked
Been battling some worlds players haha
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Ah yeah laddering I was going ok
