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I may sound unintelligent by making this post without deeper research .
but I've seen a lot of debates and quotes from the Quran putting the Maile gender above females, mentioning specifics promised to men in paradise and not so much for women.
there may be contexts (pls make us understand, if Ure a Muslim)
Anyways many feminists don't even know what they are fighting for.. they just hate men
Shouldn't Feminists start by fighting the Muslim Laws on women
ah ha
That's like World War
'Anyways many feminists don't even know what they are fighting for.. they just hate men'
You mean the feminists you see on tik tok?
understood.
then most people making content mostly on tiktok are just not real feminists
bcs I could swear that I want equal rights for women too and I don't think that's what they're pushing for
uhm.. yes,
so they are not real feminists
maybe attention seekers cus wtf
notice that I never said all
"most" may also be wrong so, I'm wrong either way
so ..
new question.
who are those women then, them women's on tiktok, "Divine Feminists"
They aren’t real feminists then
Feminism ≠ man haters
name one rule that makes Christianity mysoginistic, while you defend Muslim?
where women sometimes not allowed to show their faces ?
you don't wanna debate that
100%
In Afghanistan and in many other places in this modern world women don't have rights at all.
Women are restricted freedom of movement, restrictive dress codes, no protection from violence, forced underaged marriages.
It gets worse
Love you for this
wait.. are we talking like general oppression of women or.. Muslim?
Sorry, are muslim women not women?
uhmm
yeah no, I'm just trying to understand.
yes women are oppressed and yes Muslim women are even more oppressed imo
I just wanna understand the point still.
yo finish up your text before typing on the other chat😭
chilll
holy sht
but then again women have suffered greatly from patriarchy.
imagine always seen as below your husband, or any male at all, even your son.
women fought for it, they got it..partially, cus yes I think they are still oppressed.
but then they started going off track.
equal pay, and the way they just think.
you mentioned sports ,I'm hoping Ure not talking about the pay lol
lost my point cus I'm trying to make too many points -
women are oppressed.
women has the right to hate men.
they should be treated equally.
they should get what they deserve - not extra.. just bcs Ure a women
I agree with 3/4 here
Women are opressed yes. They should be treated equally yes and they should get what they deserve
But hating men isn't going to solve anything for them.
Nobody has the right to hate anybody.
Hate just produces more hate and the loop continues
I said give me 10 minutes because I had something else to do. I just pointed out how your question was less about women liberation and more about measuring strengths.
And you skipped how I mentioned we statistically have 64% of the legal rights men get
This isn't my reply to your question yet. But first try to think like less of a misogynist and more like a person trying to understand why real feminism is still needed
it isn't going to solve anything.. yes
but they do have the right to hate men.
understand, hating on men would make you hate even the innocent once who wasn't even born or didn't take part in the oppression, and would never even do it ( already happening, some women saying they would abor.t Their kid if he was a boy)
if u were .. assaulted by someone you would hate them, now imagine a lifetime of oppression,.
I'm not saying they should, but they have the right to.
then again like you said, it would only make things worse for humanity, genders wars and stuff.
cite your sources though.. for the 64%
sure but the links I try to send aren't allowed her
I'm going to think about this for a long time and then I will forget to reply.
What gives anyone a right to hate somebody? Can hatred ever be justified?
hatred can be justified.
moral and emotional intelligence teaches you to forgive and/or understand why they did what they did.
Ehhh I don't know
Have to think
hatred is an emotional reaction of someone else action or reaction.. or inaction.
it's like a mirror, you don't control it, you can actually with years of training yourself to understand that people have reasons for what they do and may not even know that they hurt you.
the same way a cut sends signals to ur brain to let you know u have a cut, hatred, is an emotional response to someone elses reaction.
And while you're all busy talking about misandry, which isn't feminism, as I already explained, you seem to forget that misogyny has cost countless women their lives and is one of the foundations upon which patriarchy is built.
We live in a world where misogyny remains pervasive, yet many of you appear more concerned with bruised egos and arguments about splitting bills while women are still fighting for the liberation of other women who, in many parts of the world, are not even regarded as fully human simply because they are women.
You seem to care more about TikTok feminists than the very reason feminism exists.
you understood only half of what I said earlier. Honestly, if I respond properly, it will have to be tomorrow because it's already 12 a.m. here.
And if you want to bring physical strength into this discussion, I'll have you know there are many women who are anatomically stronger than some of the men I encounter every day. Yet are those women trying to establish dominion over men?
Invoking physical strength in a discussion about equal rights is absurd.
You're bringing the creation of mankind into this while conveniently forgetting that, according to the biblical account, woman was created from man's rib, from his side rather than from his feet. The symbolism suggests neither inferiority nor subjugation.
Although, interpretations of this are subjective.
You want to talk about authority? Look at the countless wars, conflicts, and atrocities initiated by men pursuing power, dominance, or wounded pride. Look at the statistics regarding the number of women and even men who have died as a consequence of this so-called authority.
What's particularly ironic about this is how readily you generalize men as strong based on biology, history, and statistical trends, yet object when men are stereotyped as misogynistic or harmful based on historical patterns, statistics, and empirical evidence.
Women still do not enjoy complete equality, yet is ignorantly asking why women aren't applying for labour-intensive jobs, even though I have personally seen women across Africa performing such work.
Talmbout "ignoring hard labour" while disregarding gender-based employment discrimination and wage inequality is intellectually dishonest.
Women endure menstruation, severe cramps, childbirth, dehumanisation, and often physically demanding labour on top of all that. Reassess your line of reasoning.
And genuinely, there is no reason to regard the positions women demand access to as somehow "higher" when these are the exact same opportunities that men have historically been granted with far fewer obstacles.
If you stopped viewing the issue through a misogynistic lens, you would stop comparing splitting bills to equal rights. Especially when men continue to claim superiority through narratives that portray them as inherently greater, more capable, the default breadwinners, and the natural prot
I feel bad for you.
You can't read, think and process things properly before you comment and it shows. You think like an ignorant child because I know sensible people don't reason the way you do.
You don't have to be oppressed just as much before you speak for the oppressed.
Clearly, the multiple points I made flew over your head because you're narrow minded.
Also, you don't know I'm actually from, or what I saw and experienced every day there. You don't my personal reasons for being a feminist among other reasons.
Where are u from?
I feel bad for you.
You can't read, think and process things properly before you comment and it shows. You think like an ignorant child because I know sensible people don't reason the way you do.
You don't need to be oppressed just as much before you speak for the oppressed or about them.
Clearly, the multiple points I made flew over your head because you're narrow minded.
Also, you don't know where I'm actually from, or what I saw and experienced every day there. You don't my personal reasons for being a feminist among other reasons.
If your sick thought is that women with more privilege should just shut up and forget about the women suffering in "3rd world countries", then you can keep wallowing in your misogynistic perception of things.
You're not target audience.
Why is that part of a conversation about women liberation?
What is your point with this question?
I wanna know about u
before you say something absurd, read why that question is irrelevant
Oh-
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This doesn't contribute to the subject at hand btw
I think, the reason u said like that is why u are live in your country
Idg, rephrase your sentence.
I think the reason you said that is because you live in your home country.
sure kid.
no reply for me?
Yo...what do you think about this topic in simple words?
agree
Cool
Hby
I really don't get you.
I come from a 3rd world country, but moved rather recently and even if I didn't, where I'm from is irrelevant in this topic.
then, what do u do for a living?
Petitions are being created and signed by women, many of whom are privileged enough to have a voice, on behalf of women living under oppressive systems, such as those subjected to restrictive muslim laws in countries like Afghanistan.
Besides legal discrimination, there are also harmful practices such as female genital mutilation, which continue to affect millions of women and girls in parts of the developing world. Petitions are being signed by women about this too.
While people online obsess over TikTok feminists and gender wars, real feminists are signing petitions for Afghan women, advocating against female genital mutilation, fighting child marriage, challenging discriminatory laws, and campaigning for women whose basic humanity is still denied in parts of the world. So, I don't get the point of this hot take
Yeah but the thing is that no matter how long we fight for woman who lives under restrictive muslim laws, we aren't gonna see any progress cause most of the woman agrees with whatever her man say cause they won't be alive the next morning if they don't do as told and the government can do anything about that
We can argue about this for as long as we want but I don't think anything is gonna change
What do you think about my openion?
The only thing that concerns me is that you've been tying for a long time😭
The only thing that's concerning me now is that you stopped typing after a long time😭
are you willing to read?
Yeah totally
holy phuck..
I literally said that "religion saying man was made first is already a red flag" .. you complain about not being understood but you missed my whole point gng
Where'd you go??? 😭
this is where I disagree.. again.
he made a point about women not going into those "hard" jobs, what did you do, you justify.
women endure menstrual pain, yada yada.
and then you go on to say that men has always been granted the opportunity to work in those positions and women have obstacles to get in them.
obstacles? this brings it back to my point, men are more physically stronger.. majority, it shouldn't be a debate.
if you, as a manager wanted someone to get those jobs that require intense physical strength you would chose a man too..
that's not obstacles, that's not sexist, that's role, that's efficiency.
don't call someone misogynistic when there's no evidence.
This is exactly what I'm talking about: women, particularly those with more privilege and freedom, advocating for the liberation of women who do not have the same opportunities.
The oppression is so severe in some parts of the world that even you seem to recognise how restrictive and unjust certain systems, laws and muslim laws can be towards women.
Yet your response/solution appears to be that we should simply stop talking about these issues or stop caring about them.
Women and girls are being ra##ed in broad daylight for Christsake.
Perhaps if more men invested the same energy into supporting women facing genuine oppression as they do debating feminism on TikTok and Twitter, these conversations would be far more productive.
The truth is that many of the men arguing about feminism online are more concerned with internet discourse than the issues feminism was created to address in the first place.
However, I don't think you fully understood what yesterday's conversation was actually about.
someone pin this sht!!!! 🧠
I didn't appreciate feminism with this modern face and I do support woman to have right to choose what to do and with whom to be with
the only problem is do they themselves know what they want?..
or do they wanna k##l their kids and justify it .
I was talking about these tiktok feminists and they are asking me to treat it like it's not reality.. when that's their mentality. Lindsey literally happened
And he also thaught his followers to wage war, capture their woman and use them as slaves, marry more than 1 woman, sla ughter the people who don't convert to islam
Pretty tragic actually
Before you cherry-pick what to respond to, you said, "Here's what resulted in the oppression of women," and then proceeded to cite a religious stereotype that you yourself don't even agree with, which I attempted to refute from a biblical perspective.
And justify what? Did you skip what I said about African women working in labour-intensive jobs?
Did you also skip what I said about many women who are anatomically stronger than some of the men I see every day who still get those jobs "that require intense physical strength"?
And you proved my point in your last statement about gender-based employment discrimination btw
Talking about the exceptions while other countries still suffer is odd but okay
I agree with you about the perversion of feminism in this modern face
listen ,men are mostly physically stronger .. than women.
secondly yes, I know how much the women in Africa work in hard and intense jobs, but you know what's the nuance?, the men too work in harder jobs.
you're conveniently calling it gender discrimination, but if there's a dichotomy of choice between a man and a women for who you would choose to nurture ur kids, like taking care of them, the babies - without an opportunity for details you would more times pick the women. would you say Ure discriminating?
no, bcs Ure judging based on data that u've gathered. women are better at that roles and so are men on the former.
They already are fighting it but to sound less racist they blame all races than go on religious basis. Making the target vague...partly reason why feminist movements are failing today.
The target is not constant.
You can't throw a cannon at east and west at the same time
