Chandy/Skarmy Team Build Help
Summary
In Pokémon Champions | VGC Battles & Tournaments this announcement asks for feedback on a Chandelure and Skarmory ladder team. The poster discusses swapping Talon for Dragonite, using Hisuian Arcanine or Mamoswine, concerns about Protect and Choice Sash, and avoiding meta Pokémon while climbing the MB4 ladder. Community input on moves, abilities, EVs, and team composition is requested to make the team more competitive.
https://pokepast.es/e843d3de67eee038
Trying to make this gorgeous team happen in Champions ladder. Been tweaking it a lot. Used to have Lycanroc instead of Skarmory, running only Chandelure as the Mega, but it was only there to OHKO Zard Ys with Accerock - which was pretty funny, but I noticed I was never using bringing it otherwise.
Been in a losing streak in the MB4 ladder atm lol the team is fun but I would love to make it stronger overall.
I'm up to any suggestions regarding changing Pokémon, moves, abilities or EV spread. I just would like to avoid using any of the meta mons here, as a personal challenge and because I would like not to repeat mons between teams (already have a ZardY/Glimm/Whimsicott/Basculegion/Gambit/Garchomp in my team slots)
Thanks in advance!
My first non meta pick would be mamoswine bcause its basically garchomp but immune to intimidate, buffed by snow and it still has rock slide/rock tomb
My second pick would be arcanine hisui who is like lycenrock but just better
Cleavor and Garnacle are also worth considering but garnacle can't ohko charizard and cleavor is only nuetral against fire
Skarm will need protect I assume in a heat wave riddle meta
He's fastee and one-shots Zard Y with Rock Tomb and taunt is a great counter to trick room, but I definitely miss Protect
I have one sitting in my box waiting for me to add it to any team, but this one already has two dire types... been thinking on using Dragonite as tailwind setter instead of Talon here, maybe with that I replace someone for Hisui Arc
Yes, I compell you to use dragonite
I'm feeling like changing:
Talon to Dragonite (with silk scarf for the Extreme Speed)
Ninetales to Hisui Arc (guess I would need to love Sash to him and put something else on Tsareena)
Thought about Mamoswine but I guess it would need to run Sash which is a problem
32+ Atk Dragonite Dragon Claw vs. 2 HP / 0 Def Garchomp: 162-192 (87.5 - 103.7%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
Nice
Maybe would need dragon claw to guarantee that OHKO
I don't link not having any form of weather control by losing Ninetales tho, but can't have everything
I also I thought about fitting Primarina in the team somewhere, as I've been seeing her a lot lately
just in case anyone else is online and would like to chime in
First problem is skarm wants to be in rain but chandy doesnt
He doesn't have rain tho?
Team is looking like this atm: https://pokepast.es/24b3f74be8c9328b
Pondering about replacing Taunt with Protect on Skarmory, but think I would be kinda doomed against TR
Also thought of replacing Protect for Extreme Speed on Arcanine
That's the point yes
So then why is it a problem?
Because you aren't covering the weakness with snow whatsoever
So I'm lost as to why it's the chosen weather at all
To defeat other weathers
I mean, Skarm is not afraid of Charizard and I can run Chandelure instead of Skarmory if I see fire type threats in the other team
It doesn't defeat your weakness one double up from fire and it's curtains
Rain makes more sense, is all I am saying
I think you could replace either head smash or rock slide with extreme speed instead
Maybe a support with Rain Dance? Or Pelipper as tailwind setter, but not sure if it makes much sense with the rest of the team
Also thought of putting Skarm with Tyranitar
Well switching in ninetales can benifit other pokemon like rotom and dragonite even if ninetales is weak to the sun
Ofc it can. But not as much as swapping in rain?
But chandelure is bad in the rain
Ninetales was definitely helpful in some matchups, Ill give him that. Like, very cool switching into Archaludons and having take 2 turns for Eletro Shot
So you would just be unable to use chandelure + pelipper or politoed even if you wanted to without making chandelure weaker
Is chandy required? Or there because it's not weak into the things skarm is
Chandy is there because I like it mostly lol
Fair enough.
He was the original Mega in the team, I added Skarm later
Skarm can work without mega with Sturdy too
I guess, you're saying you're on a losing streak. What is the team struggling into most?
M E G A D R A G O N I T E
Kind of what I was thinking. Drop chandy if he's there other than for personal reasons and let dnite shine here
But if you like him, we work around
I just like dragonite tbh
That doesn't sound bad, but then ill create another thread for a Chandy team lol
It's a very good mega
Until salamance comes back, then it will be a lot worse
We have a ways to go I can hope haha
By then it'll be strictly scrafty mega and Gengar for me haha
If I want to remove Skarm and focus on Chandy, what would you guys do instead? Guess I'll work on a Skarm/Dragonite team as I like the idea and haven't built a Rain team yet
But want to make Chandy work
I can still use a phys Dragonite for tailwind setter with Chandy and have a SPA for the Mega team
Oh I need a shiny for the Mega tho, love that blue color
Draco meteor, thunderbolt, dragon pulse, tailwind. Inner focus bfore mega
no protect?
No hurricane?
Maybe I go with Pelliper for tailwind and Hurricane, Thunderbolt, Draco Meteor/Pulse, Protect on Dragonite?
If you are running rain then and only then hurricane
And if you habe another tailwind setter use protect
Yes yes, will be a skarm/dragonite rain team
Then chandelure gets weakened tho
Oh wait you are talking abt a seperate rain team
I'm separating them. Need to rework a team around Chandy (and maybe another mega) and then another team ir skarm/drago
I actually have a dragonite team prepared that you can use as reference, although it doesn't have rain
Oh yes please, all up for inspiration
https://pokepast.es/b64b4aa606515504
ok hear me out... mega greninja instead of Skarmory with Chandy
I know it's not a great mega with the protean nerf tho
Will probably do a different thread for the skarm/dragonite team when I cook something there
Just thinking of other good/fun megas to replace Skarmory in the Chandelure team, or simply going Chandelure as the only Mega and run HisuiArc/Tsareena/Dragonite/Ninetales/Rotom/Chandy
well
And about Skarm/Dragonite:
https://pokepast.es/3b70b01e2bf50633
This is looking pretty solid on paper
mamoswine in rain sounds great to me
Mamoswine is rly underutilised rn tbh, it hits a lot of the meta for super effective while having a powerful priority attack
And being immune to intimidate
https://pokepast.es/47eb2287e0b31e44
Ok I'll be trying this silly Sun team as my next move to try and make Mega Chandelure happen
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2618660610-cucsi5mq2usm0y4l1x5eyafhvuqtmgmpw
I cooked here
