Руководство по дождевой команде с Мега-Golisopod | Стратегия Pokémon VGC
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На сервере Pokémon Champions | VGC Battles & Tournaments подробно разбирают соревновательную дождевую команду с Мега-Golisopod. В публикации рассматривается синергия Pokémon, включая Pelipper, Archaludon и Garchomp, а также ключевые матчапы против команд с солнцем и песком. Это полезный материал для игроков, которые хотят отточить турнирную стратегию и улучшить результаты в соревновательном рейтинге.
Надеюсь взять эту команду на ближайший турнир, поэтому хочу получить советы, что в ней можно изменить.
Попробую как можно лучше описать свою текущую команду.
(EV ещё не распределял.)
M GOLISOPOD
Использую Танец мечей, чтобы повысить Атаку.
Вампиризм для лечения и Аквабрейк, чтобы бить по Огненным типам.
Покемон для сетапа.
PELIPPER
Наносит сверхэффективный урон Огненным типам.
Вызывает дождь и предоставляет полезные варианты поддержки, например Попутный ветер и Широкую защиту.
ARCHALUDON
Пользуется дождём.
Ещё один вариант для сетапа и хороший специальный атакующий.
GRIMMSNARL
Ставит экраны, повышая защиту моих крепких атакующих, и дополняет моё фэнтези-ядро.
Даёт мне сравнительно прочный вариант для переключения.
BASCULEGION
Атакующий покемон с хорошими наступательными способностями.
Помогает в матчапах против Gholdengo и других Призрачных типов (а также Огненных).
Под дождём сильно бьёт Волновым накатом.
GARCHOMP
Помогает против Чарizard Y, Райчу и Хисуйского Арканайна.
Хорошее покрытие атак и доступ к нескольким массовым атакам.
Основная идея/план: усилить Golisopod или Archaludon, удерживать контроль над погодой и постоянно наносить урон с помощью Basculegion или Garchomp.
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Использую его против огненных покемонов, но могу попробовать Железную Голову или Ближний Бой, чтобы бить стальных покемонов противника.
Идея нравится, но мне интересно твоё мнение по нескольким матчапам. Во-первых, команда солнца и дождя, занявшая второе место в Балтиморе; во-вторых, Staraptor и Raichu с хисуйским Arcanine; а также Sneasler с Травяным семенем рядом с Rillaboom. И как бы ты играл против большинства песчаных команд?
На самом деле, я уже играл против этих команд на ладдере.
Против команды солнца и дождя беру Archaludon, Grimmsnarl, Garchomp и Pelipper. Стараюсь выбить их Charizard, ослабить Archaludon и подготовить эндгейм, в котором мой Garchomp и Archaludon будут противостоять Archaludon с низким HP или без усилений.
Матчап равный, нужно просто хорошо сыграть.
А против команды Staraptor и Raichu матчап немного сложный: Rillaboom и Raichu могут здорово меня прожарить, если я не буду осторожен.
Чтобы с ними справиться, использую Garchomp, чтобы убрать Raichu, и Golisopod против Rillaboom.
Basculégion — для мощного взрывного урона, а Pelipper или Grimmsnarl — в зависимости от того, что покажется правильным.
Против песчаных команд использую Golisopod против Tyranitar и, возможно, Excadrill и Indeedee, если они у них есть.
Pelipper — для поддержки Широкой Защитой и контроля погоды.
Garchomp справляется с большей частью команды и даёт хорошие атаки земляного типа против большинства песчаных команд.
Archaludon, Basculégion или Grimmsnarl — в зависимости от команды.
Думаю, это хороший матчап.
Матчи этой командой идут нормально, но я проиграл несколько игр из-за неудачных решений, плохих лидов и неправильного выбора покемонов.
Так что, наверное, мне нужно ещё потренироваться.
А, то есть ты бы играл против них именно так.
Да, это мой примерный план игры.
А Basculégion вообще подходит этой команде?
С ним у меня больше ответов против огненных покемонов и есть способ бить призрачных, например Gholdengo, но я могу заменить этот слот на любого покемона, которого ты предложишь.
Нет-нет, это твоя команда, я просто хочу услышать твоё мнение.
А, ладно.
Но мне хотелось бы добавить в команду больше специального урона по нескольким целям.
Поскольку большая часть моей команды уязвима к Запугиванию.
Или, может, найти способ его сдерживать.
Which one would you change
Maybe basc or chomp
How so
Idk which mon to change it for
Do you got any ideas?
Id have to look into it more but both Arch and Pelli do good as they are special
Поиграю несколько матчей, чтобы понять, что в команде не так.
Расскажи, и я смогу помочь.
Я видел этот архетип с Charizard Y и Farigiraf.
Вместо Garchomp и Basculégion.
А, ладно.
Ладно, спасибо.
Я тестирую свои команды, так что предложил бы сыграть против меня, но я использую всякую странную фигню. Могу собрать несколько команд специально для теста.
Да, можем завтра сыграть на Showdown в 16:00?
Чтобы протестировать команду.
Который у тебя сейчас час?
21:00.
Разница в один час.
Было бы здорово, если бы получилось в субботу после семи вечера.
У меня сейчас 22:00.
Да, в субботу в 19:00?
Тогда у тебя будет 18:00.
Да.
Так что в субботу в 19:00?
Да.
Тогда и определимся с командами.
И сыграем.
В субботу у меня экзамены, и до них ещё надо учиться.
Ладно, удачи на экзаменах?
Ладно, удачи на экзаменах.
Спасибо, бро.
No problem
Честно говоря, зависит от того, чего ты хочешь.
По-моему, его команда держится только на дожде, но она очень хорошая.
Да, это одна из причин. Другая — у Мега Свамперта есть Быстрое плавание, и ему нужен дождь, чтобы нормально работать.
Не особо.
Я тоже пока ещё новичок.
Pelipper лучше всего помогает, когда Archaludon получает хорошую возможность разогнаться и накопить заряды Электровыстрела.
И помогаешь Goli выжить.
Так что ты тоже можешь так сделать.
Pelli в целом хорош.
Особенно рядом с Arch и Goli.
Я так не делаю, но ты можешь.
Есть несколько ситуаций, когда его используют.
Могу попробовать тебе помочь.
Помогу собрать команду и объясню, как она работает.
Можешь создать отдельную ветку или мы можем продолжить здесь, чтобы я помог вам обоим, если автор исходного сообщения не против.
Нормально, если ты ещё объяснишь мне, как собирать команду?
Конечно.
Я могу помочь вам обоим.
Вы оба играете с мегаэволюциями — в этом я разбираюсь лучше всего.
Спасибо, бро
В любое время
Но сегодня у меня экзамены, так что буду свободен после них.
Спасибо.
вы тут?
Ты скопировал команду?
Sorry I was sleeping
can we test teams at 7 or 8pm today?
Yea we can
Thats fine
Just wanted to make sure
This team is a great starting point
And its nicelt built
Cest
It's 12 42 for me
And he is I think one hour behind us
Yh i think so cuz its 12 17 for me rn
Yea 13 17 for ys
I'll answer soon
Just had to do something
Me too cuz in most games basc dosent even come
But idk what to replace basc
Hmmm thats a good question
Id say Farigiraf may be the answer tbh
Very good Pokemon in general
I want smth thats more offensive in damage and that can hit gholdengo
But i could try farig
Why is that
Cuz i feel like gholdengo is a tough mon for my team to deal with
Send the team again please
Okk
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I think changing Basc to some other mon that covers that matchup is goo
Good
Tho itself can beat it
You know fight fire with fire
Tho ill have to look into it a bit more
Alr
Im currently a judge for the tourney
So after it ends Ill do some things
Thats true tho
But i feel like grimm and incin fill the same supportive role yk?
Yeah
Kinda similar
Wouldnt use it
You can run Z Chomp if you want that ig
Can be
Will do so
It kinda fits and doesnt at the same time as in most cases you wouldnt bring him into the matchups yk
As you are bringing either pelli arch grimm and Goli into less fire coverag
and you are bringing Chomp into where fire coverage is more yk
We can find one mon that competes with Grimm that does somethig a bit differently
And use Chomp Z as secondary mega
Huhh why
It it a match made in heaven
I mean fun part of Arch is it isnt weak into fire or fairy
I mea you generally would like tailwind against mons that archaludon wants to outspeed yk
hi
Goli can work in tailwind had an idea with that actually that sacrificed attack for it
Hi banjo
hows the team progressing
Its good
Got the core rain team locked
Plus added Garchomp Z
tryna figure out the last spot and kinda leaning into Gholdengo to win mirrors
did even read everything
I think he didnt
Tho I asked if they are fine with me helping both in this thread
If he wants me to divide them its fine
Yh i didnt yet
Its alr w me
Yea thats fine by me as long as you do
If you want to give your takes as well its good
I want to hear your thoughts
It does but I think it can pick up an OHKO
Cant
Mb
I was also thinkin on adding chomp z
Very good secondary
But who is gonna replace basc if u guys got any ideas
Thats what we are figuring out
Gholdengo jumps out
As it likes rain as its weak to fire
And it can check other ghost types
Yea but can it survive shadow ball after disguise is broken?
Than its not a best option
Tho I think we can just add Farig when we want trick room and let Chomp Z deal with Gholdengos
Viable path is adding Gholdengo
That is true
Gholdengos are built bulky now
So they can tank hits set up and sweep
Can you calc if Garchomp Z with earth power can OHKO Gholdengo
What evs are more popular on Ghold now?
Hmmmm
Really not sure on the ghold spread
Dark type it is
Kingambit
Appreciates rain
Very good mon all around
Can you calc it to kill 24hp/11def
Gholdengo
Try lorb first
Thats a good chance tbh
Only fighting types
It dies with lorb tick
And gambit can deter intimitade w defiant
Only Goli is affected
No one else
Alr so is gambit replacing basc
That would be yet I think
If you want we can do some battles
Sure
Ill make few meta teams
And also will try out few of mine
Would we just do a 4 attack gambit or sd set?
We can do Kowtow sucker protect plus one
Yh
What abt evs?
What evs did you use to calc?
Yes its special
Adamant?
25Hp 32 Atk 9Def
Alr thx
We do it on showdown?
Yes
Ill just have to make teams
Okk
My name on showdown is Thatrainguy
Sent you an invite
Says its offline
Protect Power gem earth power Dragon pulse or Draco meteor
For spreads I think Modest with 32SpA 2Spe and 32 Hp
Do i just send you the invite if it dosent work for u?
01010101na
Sure here is my name
if you want to watch you are more than welcome
I can stream it
Just @ me when you want and I'll do it
great
Ill start with this one
Ggs
Was very good
Gg
How did the team feel
It felt GOODDX
It rlly matched my playstyle
Yeah sure
I'm making a Yaichu plus Z chomp team gimme a sec
Alr
Made the team
Grimmsnarl is better into fire types
Into psyspam?
When you don't know what to lead grimmsnarl plus arch is best with pelli in the back
Yes
I'd say low kick
To win mirror
Yes that would be true
Power gem yes
How did it feel
Good
Nice reads
Thx
Do we go for one more game?
Id like to try one more game
With my team
Gimme asec
Okk
Send the invite
I can stream tho my loptop goes slower
I got my team ready
You can join the vc or even better I can send yo the link of the battle
Next time than
Ill save the replay of this battle than
Forgot the others
I can run the teams against you too
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regmcbo3-2688831310
First game
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regmcbo3-2688834953
Second game
You played well
Srry smth came up suddenly
Yea thats fine
Are u up for a game still?
Yup
Thx u too
Same team?
This is my GC team tho it will be changed
Also one thing
You rely too much on Archaludon sometimes
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regmcbo3-2688837657
Game 1 second set
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regmcbo3-2688840099
Game 2
Forgot about cc
Damn
Ggs that was close
Forgot cc
Just wanted to try incin into this message
Its just worse than Rilla
True
Just wanted to try the team
Thank you
Imma hop off for tonight tho
Npp
Will try and better up my team to challenge you again
Sounds great
Im not free until for few days
Got classes yk
So ill have to do it next week
Yea thank you so much have last exams on sunday so I have to wait until than
Thank youu
Send the team again just so I can see
Just to see what we are working again
This is the updated version of the team featuring farigriaf over grimmsnarl
Feel free to suggest any changes or tweaks that could improve the team as a whole
This one looks very good
Thanks bro
Is there any glaring weaknesses in general though?
What would you say is farigs job on this team
I would say that farig is mainly here to set up tr for kingambit and golisopod block priority and it allows me to helping hand+ blow up a lot of stuff up with zchomp
Does having trick room pay off mostly?
I havent done enough pratice with the team yet but id say it pays off since the team is overall slow
Is it bulky enough to survive
Yeah it can definitely survive turns
Dosent feel frail to me
You have both tailwind and trick room
True mb grimm would be alr to keep
No no
Its fine
I just want to see you justify it
There are teams that both Grimm and Farig go together
I just want to see why you think its good
Okk
I'm figuring out my team rn
Got 3 different variations where the differences are two mons
Mostly
Can you show them?
When I get home I will
Alr
https://pokepast.es/9487f36ce069263f
Here is the first one Floette
I still havent decided on last mons for any team
https://pokepast.es/f3b3677b5f050b8a
Zard Y
Golisopod @ Golisopite
Ability: Emergency Exit
EVs: 32 HP / 32 Atk / 2 Def
Adamant Nature
- Leech Life
- Drill Run
- Iron Head
- Protect
Archaludon @ Leftovers
Ability: Stamina
EVs: 32 HP / 7 Def / 3 SpA / 16 SpD / 8 Spe
Bold Nature
- Dragon Pulse
- Snarl
- Electro Shot
- Protect
Pelipper @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Drizzle
Level: 50
Modest Nature
- Weather Ball
- Hurricane
- Protect
- Wide Guard
Pangoro @ Expert Belt
Ability: Scrappy
Level: 50
Adamant Nature
- Darkest Lariat
- Close Combat
- Detect
- Parting Shot
Swampert-Mega @ Swampertite
Ability: Torrent
Level: 50
Adamant Nature
- Wave Crash
- Ice Punch
- Protect
- High Horsepower
https://pokepast.es/05c3e43961820363
Swamp one
On neither if this team there is a clear answer for last mon
Very open and im not sure what im going to do
You copied from this thread ?
Yo bro whats your spreads on this team
The spreads arent optimized yet so they could be improved
Why 3 speed?
To outspeed other golisopod but i may remove those points since ill have tr
Isn't it better to go after so you can heal it off?
Fair point
Tho thee is a risk of dying as well xd
Most times you need to kill bulky
They are more bulky
Cuz since goilso is so slow sucker punch helps it to atleast deal good damage before my opponents attack and is like u said useful in gholdengo and other ghost types
Ill have to check it
Yeah and it would allow it to take on 2v1 better in the endgame
Tho you will sometimes get into the guessing games so be careful
Thats true
No
Had it happen
Went for 9 turns
Yes
Most of my teams are for ots
Damnnnn thats long
Was against Gholdengo
We both set up to +6
Why so
We can hop in some games when I get home if you want
I got 3 secondarys I need to test
Not sure who I like tbh
Anyone wanna run some battles rn?
I want to see how the teams go
I cant i gotta project to do
Tho Ill only be playing on showdown
Thats fine have fun and do it great
Thanks bro
you guys free to run some battles on showdown?
Lemme finish up games on valo and I can
Okk
Yo I finished
Yup
U ready?
Gimme a sec to finish up a team
Alr
Send your username
fomerseas
Doesnt pop up for me
Do i just send u it?
Sure
01010101na
glgl
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regmcbo3-2695186589-yjsblrincg7xpyr0fwpedicmwecjeuwpw
First game
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regmcbo3-2695190655-ksff461ti0rxsg6ln7m02n538khxi8tpw
Second game
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regmcbo3-2695193755-xihk34dm2jynr4aqoop2nh0unj8fongpw
Third
Ggs
Read me on the last turn
ggs
I gtg now
Ye thats fine
you guys up for some games on showdown?
I might have to pass this time
Tho save the replay I wanna go over it later
Alr
Okk
Bet tell me when your ready
Thanks
you guys up for some games?
Yeah ill probs be free just let me know when ur free
I'm not sure how active I'll be fighting wise
is it allowed for me to post another team here thats different from goliso?
Or can i create another thread to post the different team i have in mind?
Of course you can
I'll help out
Ill send it then
Tho I'll see to it when I get home
The main idea is that staraptor can be brought aganist sand and matchups that delphox hates and they synergise pretty well together
Delphox with nasty plot can set up and sweep
But now idk what to add next
Ideally i would like some speed control fake out redirection and probs more offense
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I'll see
Sun/rain teams or just general sun teams
Hmmm
I think that that is just matchup knowldge
You have to play and be ready for certain things
Thats great way to start
Best ways to get better is to play more people with OTS
So you can know what to expect
Open team sheet
Yea very good thinf
Its very good in some mathups ofc
All depends on the play style tbh
I'd generally say no
Assurance doubles in power if the user got hit right
It is a contact move as well so yea seems like it would be great but it runs into a problem of you would much rather click leech life, iron head or even drill run or sucker so yea just
Too many good moves
Tho yes drill run can miss but it has increased crit ratio
This is an updated version of the team,replacing kingambit for gholdengo
Why I did so was that gholdengo gives my team spread damage, a more favourable matchup into fighting types, and a sleep powder immunity
Ill have to test and see if gholdengo is the right choice tho and aganist opposing gholdengo ill need to play carefully
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How are you playing mirror match ups
Idk yet but would you be free to play so i can get some practice aganist the mirror match?
Just send me the whole team in dma
https://pokepast.es/3a3c4d017b703f57
Heres the team
I havent decided on evs on gholdengo yet
You can either choose a bulky one or a fast one
Id say a fast one
Do u have the evs for that?
No but I can try and find it
Alr
https://pokepast.es/e1f5fc4356d34a1f
This is what is most used
Ill make a few changes I think on this team just so you know
I changed two moves
Drill run instead of SD on Goli and flame thrower instead of Earth power on ChompZ
Alr thanks
Whenever you are ready for some games tag me
You up to play or watch?
Also saw you were in the thread bro but nothing from then you up to watch or play?
Other Golisopods tbh
Only reason tbh
Wdym?
Could you reidirate a question
Ahhh
Flamethrower is for other golis
Drill run is here for other steel types and Incin
Yea its just a playstyle for me
Can you send your team again
I think its a bit different than Mikeys
Are you okay with running a few games on showdown?
I wanna see how you play into sun\rain
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This is the spread I was running
Its just bulk with no attacking move xD
are u up for some games?
Yup just gimme a sec
Alr
Gotta finish up my team on showdown
I finished it up
Ok alr
Whats ur showdown name?
01010101na
As always
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9championsvgc2026regmcbo3-2698998069-pb56dunhdk7vra922melyxaxt5ph6s6pw
Can yiu enter it like this?
Thats fine
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regmcbo3-2698998069-pb56dunhdk7vra922melyxaxt5ph6s6pw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regmcbo3-2699001528-ntkjqgyx2v03p79dvt1t0b028ulrv0apw
Seems like a struggle a bit
Lowkey i could have played better
Yup agreed on that
Im not really sure why you brought Goli to game 1
Yeah in this matchup im not supposed to bring goli
Thats smth i learnt
Yea thats just matchup knowledge
With time you will iron it out
Lemme look at what other teams I have
Alr tell me when ur ready?
Okay I got one Yaichu Goli team
I can make a few other meta teams tho it will take time
https://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen9championsvgc2026regmcbo3-2699008227-rrxsyqj6qn7fuotb7kkc1cs4hbof53apw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regmcbo3-2699008227-rrxsyqj6qn7fuotb7kkc1cs4hbof53apw
Can we do one more in a few mins i need a break after all that
HAHAHAHH
Of course
Ill play some agaisnt LordSponge in the meantime
are you up for one more set
Special
Gimme a sec just so see somethinf
Im not sure its the right avenue
Thats fine with all the Yards running around
Im mostly facing Yards and Yaichu with some psy spams
So I use Yard more often
But whenever I get the chance I use it
Yea the core 4 of forcing rain is very good
I have to finish one set and than we can
Alr
Helping people prep is wow
you finished yet?
Yea finished
Tell me when tall can
Yall
Yeah im ready now
Sent it
ggs
Ggs
Imma hop off i lowkey had enough bo3 for today
Thats fine
I like it
Its a nice team
Usually 20\14 split is good but this one should be as well
Tho id have to calc it to be sure
But at the first glance is good
Yes
Ive just thought of a mega pairing that could work, which is delphox and lucario z
Lucario deals with kingambit and incin but both cant rlly touch basc, so rilla would probably be added
And id probs want more offense fake out and redirection
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