Off-Meta VGC Team Building Advice | Pokémon Champions
Summary
The Pokémon Champions | VGC Battles & Tournaments server hosts a deep dive into off-meta team building. This discussion covers critical competitive choices, including item distribution like Focus Sash, move set optimization for Mega Aerodactyl, and countering common threats like rain teams. It is a valuable resource for players looking to refine their competitive builds and gain strategic insights from the community.
Id like advice on whether or not this would be a good build for this team, any tweaks to the mons I should make, any replacements that would make sense, which secondary mega would be best, and which mon benefits from focus sash more between weavile and excadrill.
Here is the link the team idea: http://www.pokemon-zone.com/champions/team-builder/b8f9fa9b-e04c-4f60-9c45-bba89d651ab6/
Any help would be appreciated 🙏
Hello
hi
is your idea m sceptile rotom heat?
i saw some people having alot of sucess with it, so yea
it works
Yeah should I explain the rest of the mons
Have you looked at the full team build i linked?
yes
but you cant have 2 sashes
I had a few questions I wanted answered at the top
That was one of them
Who gets sash, but also who gets the mega stones
i would honestly just switch it up a little
like getting rid of weawile
maewile?
yk what i mean
and mega aero is fine
I wanted to possibly try out weavile, I just wanted an ice type for mega dragonite and garchomp, but is guess I could give aerodactyl ice fang
thats what i was thinking of
ice fang instead of protect won a big tournament recently
rockslide
dual
icefang
tw
but im not so sure if you want no protect on it
I wanted to use weavile to break down dragons with triple axel, and Mega staraptor, brick break for screens, icy wind for speed control, and fake out for turn control
so you could also run rockslide icefang tailwind wideguard/protect
Yeah I had seen that
interesting
i started playing scarf screen clearer with freezy dry, grass knot
The main reason mega aero is appealing is because it should counter sun well which sceptile will probably not do the best into
With weavile or something else?
sceptile will be doing okay against sun, i actually think you will run more into a rain team problem
since mega swampert outspeeds mega sceptile in rain and can Ohko you with Ice Punch
Really? The thought with this team was to counter rain
Is there anyway to get around that?
weather control
no rain = no swift swim
that would mean you outspeed him
Yeah I did think about bringing mega froslass, but having switch in weather control would be best
if you dont want ttar or alolian ninetales you can also try and find a cloud nine pokémon
but im not so sure if there are any good cloud nine pokémonnrn
i guess altaria with willo wisp, tailwind support is a nice niche
Drampa and altraria have it, dunno if they're too good
but also has a 4x ice weakness
so you hav
mega aero
mega sceptile
rotom heat
excadrill
i forgot one of your pkm i believe
sylveon
Here that should be easier to refrence
another way to outspeed m swampert is priority tailwind
but there are only talonflame and whims rn
After playing a good bit I understand each pokemon needs to have a role and your team needs to have ways to deal with different threats
Is base aero faster than swift swim swampert?
as much as i know no
I could always run something like that instead
i believe adamant max speed swampert has 122 speed
in rain 244
Kay
Then tailwind seems like the best option
yea, i would probably use whimsicott
I have whimsicott built already
Who should I replace?
i would probably remove mega aero than tho, i just think having 2 tailwind setter is a bit awkward
and whims usually also a sash holder
thats 1-2 more problems
Then who would you give the second mega slot to?
I did run no sash whim on my other team because hArcanine needed it
you dont always need 2 mega slots, but we could look for one that matches for your team if you want another
Id like two because occasionally ill run into a team that just wrecks mega sceptile I imagine
Thats why i thought mega aero worked well because of its viability with or without mega
Could be used either way, but not having priority tailwind does suck
i mean you can still use mega aero
but without tailwind, more like a attacker
that would be new, but could work
rockslide
dual wingbeat
ice fang
protect / wide guard
Could work
I guess id wanna know its best use case because thats kinda why you bring a second mega, to cover your main megas weakness
Right?
sure, but on some megas you REALLY need the mega on that one pokémon to be viable coughs in mawile
Im not opposed to mawile
i love mawile
Seems strong with huge power sucker punch, intimidate, and a good defensive typing
Good in trick room too
Could be my counter to tr
you can also use max speed tailwind mawile
it will have 224 speed in tailwind
just outspeeds mega aero
very nice
I feel like i wanna have a mon capable of handling trick room because ive struggled with it when having lots of just fast mons
My last team was ALL speed
And if I failed to stop them setting trick room I rarely won
maybe you want farigiraf itself? or skeledirge?
What do you think of:
Mega Sceptile
Heat Rotom
Whimsicott (for tailwind)
Weavile?
Excadrill (id like a ground type doesnt have to be him)
Mega Mawile?
you can use mega mawile yea
Using it slow would be fine right? I meant about mawile
skeledirge?
Sorry wrong response
mawile,
yeaa you could use a slow mega mawile, but you dont have a trickroom setter, so it would be a bench warmer most of the time
but it could work
and you can still intimidate suckerpunch
Yeah my plan for it would be to use it against trick room I suppose, unless thats bad and itd be better to just make it faster
It is fairly bulky if trick room isnt set
Maybe something like this would be better, although I dunno if id consider this off meta ya know
Honestly thought I might pick this up again tomorrow cause its getting late, sorry if I took up a lot of your time
I will say i also wouldn't be opposed to running a counter weather mon like alolan ninetales
