Pokémon Champions: Team Build Feedback
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Summary
The Pokémon Champions | VGC Battles & Tournaments server community provides expert feedback on a competitive team featuring Hisuian Decidueye and Delphox. This discussion covers essential VGC optimizations, including EV spread corrections, move set improvements like replacing Protect on Choice Scarf users, and strategic item choices. Members share valuable insights on countering common meta threats to help players refine their team building skills.
It's been doing well on showdown H decidueye seems good Delphox @ Delphoxite
Ability: Magician
Level: 50
EVs: 14 HP / 20 Def / 32 SpA
Modest Nature
- Calm Mind
- Dazzling Gleam
- Fire Blast
- Protect
Decidueye-Hisui @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Scrappy
Level: 50
EVs: 15 HP / 32 Atk / 19 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Triple Arrows
- Leaf Blade
- U-turn
- Protect
Clefable @ Babiri Berry
Ability: Magic Guard
Level: 50
EVs: 32 HP / 32 Def
Calm Nature
- Follow Me
- Protect
- Flamethrower
- Wish
Aerodactyl @ Focus Sash
Ability: Unnerve
Level: 50
EVs: 32 Atk / 32 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Tailwind
- Rock Slide
- Iron Head
- Protect
Sinistcha @ Mental Herb
Ability: Hospitality
Level: 50
EVs: 32 HP / 14 Def / 20 SpD
Calm Nature
- Rage Powder
- Protect
- Matcha Gotcha
- Stun Spore
Araquanid @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Water Bubble
Level: 50
EVs: 32 HP / 13 Def / 8 SpA / 13 SpD
Serious Nature
- Chilling Water
- Protect
- Surf
- Bug Buzz
If you put dicidueyes signature move on you can deny swap pressure as well
No more parting shots saving incineroar or u-turns to cycle fake outs
Iron head also REALLY hurts Aerodactyl and breaks your sash
Maybe whimsicott tailwind low-key
If my maths are correct, you're missing a couple of evs on most of your pokemon, which doesn't really serve a purpose. Choice Scarf Decidueye doesn't really get any value out of Protect, another coverage move or changing the item would be better. Moonblast on Clefable over Flamethrower will deal more damage due to stab. Aerodactyl using Dual Wingbeat over Iron Head will allow you to ko Sneasler and Whimiscott through Focus Sash. Sinistcha would prefer Life Dew over Stun Spore. Araquanid's physical attack is higher than special, so Liquidation & Lunge or Leech Life over Surf/Bug Buzz (a bug type move might not even be worth it tbh, due to how many major meta mons resist it and Water Bubble only boosting water type moves), and Wide Guard is an important tool for blocking spread damage.
What other item would you put on decidueye? I have flamethrower to deal with steel types but maybe that's dumb thanks for the advice though it's all really good
What do you think about sticky web on araquanid
What is his signature move😔
They're talking about spirit shackle, which hisuian decidueye can't learn
Flamethrower's not necessarily dumb, but in practice Clefable is going to be koed by those steel types before it can attack, you'd be better off handling them by using Decidueye and Delphox. Sticky Web and hazards in general aren't usually very useful in VGC, compared to how ubiquitous they are in smogon singles; there's a lot less switching and games are shorter, so there's less value; especially to all the hazards that flying-types ignore. Icy Wind could be useful as a speed control option, or Reflect to mitigate damage. As for a Decidueye item, the fire-resistance berry could be useful against Incineroars, or the poison one against Sneaslers.
That's dumb 💔 I've never used the Mon why would they take his sig away lmao
Because the hisuian one gets an arguably better move, triple arrows is a delete button. Alolan decidueye can still use spirit shackle tho, dw
Yeah he's definitely the star of the team right now
Carrying
Oh triple arrow? Ok I may need to get me one of these
That sounds cool as hell
Yeah that all makes sense big appreciate it. can i @ u if I have more questions in a bit
ofc :]
What do you think about pounce instead of icy wind. It still lowers speed and is physical
Interesting, didn't consider that. On instinct i'd say Icy Wind is still better because it lowers both opponents instead of just one, but try it out and see!
Incin lost u-turn in champions (YAY)
Sneasler
Not incin
Ohhh, sorry was confused
Incineroar definitely lost u-turn in champions, and the only sneasler-affecting nerf was the dire claw chance going to 30%
I mentioned that my reference to u turn was sneasler not incin
Ah right, mb. u-turn would still go through spirit shackle no? it's the same effect as arena trap/shadow tag, which switching moves bypass
It would yes. But mons that utilize things like uturn usually are pretty frail
So the goal is to shackle fake out next turn and try to hold them in place long enough to end the nuisance