Pokémon VGC Team Building Help: Indeedee & Torkoal Core
Summary
The Pokémon Champions | VGC Battles & Tournaments server hosts an active discussion on optimizing a competitive VGC team featuring an Indeedee and Torkoal core. Community members are collaborating to find the perfect Trick Room setters and sweepers to counter threats like Incineroar and Archaludon. This thread highlights the importance of synergy and strategic planning in high-level Pokémon battles.
So the surprise factor of my team is the scarf after you Indeedee male with torkoal.
Indeedee mainly baits kingambit, gholdengo and rillaboom which are food for torkoal eruption.
I am looking to complete the team with 1 trickroom setter (I am thinking of farig with thunderbolt to ko peli with give me trouble with wide guard, modest farig ohko most bulky peli) and 1 trickroom sweeper to put less burden on Indeedee and 1 mega pokemon
The last pokemon has to be something which is fast so I don't rely on trickroom much and has to be super good into incin, archaludon and t-tar as they may deny the trickroom or can give my team a lot of trouble.
Atlast, I don't know why but I am not comfortable with using any mega and most of the times I bench my mega bcuz my non mega are much better on most matchups.
Any help for that ?
Need help to complete my team that I find really good in theory
maybe share a pokepaste or screen of what you have right now
as far ass a mon thats good into incin, arch and ttar: psychic seed sneasler (since you mentioned indeedee) kinda blows them up, with HH close combat ohkos most archaludons (experience, didn't calc) and ttar dies even without the HH
What is HH ?
Also sneasler can be intimidated by incin and t-tar is always paired with exca with sash that ohko sneasler.
Also, my max atk jolly sneas never take any ohko on arch and I have to check some calcs on adamant sneas.
Will try share the pokepaste soon for much visual ideas
What is HH ?
Also sneasler can be intimidated by incin and t-tar is always paired with exca with sash that ohko sneasler.
Also, my max atk jolly sneas never take any ohko on arch and I have to check some calcs on adamant sneas.
Will try share the pokepaste soon for much visual ideas
HH is helping hand so it pretty much nullifies intimidate
helping hand adamant comfortably picked up ohkos for me
That's my dilemma, do I run hh farig or roar ?
Hh dmg boost is huge but with the rise in qd volcarona, perish and some other set-up strategy I am tilted to roar.
Also, which hh pkmn you use
I used indeedee
can you share a teamsheet or something similar so i can see what you got so far?
screenshot from your team in game is also fine
Ok, let me transfer my pkmn from home to go !
Ignore the floette and corv, I add them as fillers
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Her, take a look ?
The after you trickroom is also a cool tech which may come once in 10 matches maybe !
ah nice
thats a cool way to use indeedee male
Why do you not run rock slide over rock romb?
you can maybe swap the dazzling gleam on indeedee for helping hand so you can trick and then helping hand
having a spdef boost on torkoal seems kind of wasted since its one of your lowest stats so the stat boost doesnt give you as much
probably running the spA+ spe- would be better
makes better use of charcoal then as well
idk how youre dealing with other fire types/sun teams, but replacing solar beam for earth power might be worthwhile also
Sorry for later reply.
I haven't set the torkoal yet, I trade it yesterday from my friend who just use what he want !
Indeedee is also not yet trained thus have no bulk.
Sneasler is specially trained by me so I can explain all it's uses and I drop the rockslide due to the rise of qd volcarona to negate it's speed boost and KO it next tur. As well as a way to provide myself speed control !
I think I need max spd for outspeed max spd chomp z and I can have hh on torkoal to give good dmg with gleam.
It's just my theory to use koal and deedee as both offense and support according to given matchup.
Can you suggest me the mega for this team ?
I think I stack 2 ground weakness so a mega with ground resist as preferred to be physical attacker due to 3 of my pkmn already being special attackers
why dont you just run chomp z yourself
you already got corviknight and sneasler to check fairies
It works but then trickroom will becomes awkward, no ?
if you run sneasler, indeedee, chomp z and corviknight to prevent opp trickroom you have a fast mode
Ok thanks for the help.
Is corv moveset are optimal ?
Corv really suffers from 4 move syndrome imo
having bulk up and iron head are very good as well
you can just play a bit on ladder and if you feel like you get more value out of another move you can swap it up
Any ev suggesting ?
Or item, most now a day run psychic seend to save a ton of EVs !
did you calc for anything with sneasler HP?
otherwise I would put max attack
I use the same speed trick, but its for an open team sheet tournament
in closed team sheet you can maybe just go for max speed jolly and max attack
since the psychic seed will make you live modest salamence hyper voice
this as well
The hp.so I can live modest max satk hypervoice salamence and non- fully invested rilla grassy glide double up.
Spd to outspeed every adamant sneasler, earlier I run Acrobatics bcuz my previous team is weak to opposing sneasler but then drop when I change my team and started to run rock tomb.
On which pkmn !
Oh thanks.
Farig is mostly to shut down fakeout brothers and give me control against perish trap ( does roar works on m gengar ? ) , ohko any bulky peli to give me no wide guard trouble !
I pack it up with expanding force to kill opposing sneaslers and chunk down the enemy and mostly as a facade to let opponents think that I am going to use tr and then torkoal eruption, but
- Without any bulk you already live modest max SpA hypervoice salamence (thanks to psychic seed). Idk about that grassy glide double up though, my indeedee (female) is slower so i win terrain on turn 1. You can swap farig in to block grassy glide if you find yourself in this position 👍
- Rock tomb can work, but it also means you cant use it before setting up trick room (you risk lowering your opponents speed to the point where theyre slower than you)
- The trick with your stat spread is to trick people in open team sheet into thinking youre max speed when youre not. On ladder its probably better to just run max speed jolly so you can at least speed tie against other jolly sneaslers. Otherwise its probably better to just run adamant and take the better Atk stat
Farig is mostly a offensive support pkmn in my team
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As I said I first build this sneasler set with Acrobatics for other sneaslers and then switch it to rock tomb for vocarona and now that I am working on a new team I am fine with changing it if necessary, I was thinking of upperhand as a way to let rilla not use gg on my milo or prim if I add them on my team but I can add other moves as needed.
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I can't understand what you mean by trick is it the move trick or the act of trickery ?
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As I said I first build this sneasler set with Acrobatics for other sneaslers and then switch it to rock tomb for vocarona and now that I am working on a new team I am fine with changing it if necessary, I was thinking of upperhand as a way to let rilla not use gg on my milo or prim if I add them on my team but I can add other moves as needed.
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I can't understand what you mean by trick is it the move trick or the act of trickery ?
Also can roar works on ghost types ?
yeah
through protect on ghost types
the whole deal
where did the milo come from 😭
with both psychic terrain and armor tail on farig you shouldnt need upper hand against rilla boom
rockslide is very good on your sneasler since it will always move first and get a flinch every 1-2 turns
so that i recommend above rock romb
As I say in my post body I need to tr setter which I mostly think of farig and a tr sweeper, which I think can be a good role for milotic or primarina
Oh, I completely forgot about farig armour tail, my bad
i know the stat spread (jolly but only 1 point faster than max speed adamant) as an act of trickery to make your opponent think you are max speed, when you are in fact pretty bulky (still with 32 in Atk)
with a setup corviknight and torkoal you got 2 pretty good tr sweepers (would need to change your corv set though)
oh mb just ready you dont intend to use corv
I was looking for alternative for farig like rune or mimikyu bcuz having two normal psychic is kinda awkward for me. Stacking dark weakness or food for golis.
That's why I considering upper hand, I mixed some stuffs bcuz I was doing all these calcs in my head :((
having both milo and primarina under TR when you also bring torkoal is kinda icky imo
runegigas is a banger ngl haha
also hard walls ychu
True !
Have to swap things !
I was also considering staraptor as mega, which acts as I was running final gambit set with farig and use their double protect turn as free set-up but haven't explore this idea yet !
