Swampert Rain Team Advice and Sableye Support
Summary
Pokémon Champions | VGC Battles & Tournaments discussion seeking a second Swampert rain team and set reworks. The announcement covers switching Sableye to full support, debating Encore vs Foul Play, adjusting a Sinistcha build for rain, and using or reversing Trick Room versus Tailwind. This matters for team synergy and matchups in community tournaments and practice battles.
I just want to make a second teamm
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rework on the sinistcha set
Im suggesting Sableye going full support
Ditch Foul play for Encore
i do see use of scald in here, but you want to swap around sinistcha quite frequently
so setting up with calm mind is pointless
solarbeam is also very bad, especially in rain
hmm so sinistcha and sableeyee
i prefer foul play, otherwise the opponent can simply ignore sableye to the point where sableye is alone and will never win a 1:1
Build sini like this
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what is this calced for?
trick room? in tailwind?😭
Youre basically lose if Sableye is your remaining pokemon at first place
yes
being able to reverse opposing trickrooms is very important
ALSO you can make use of trickroom, if your opponent is even faster than you
Reversing opposing trick room I'm pretty sure(?)
Reverse trickroom
Its an old ass set.. not even sure but she lives everything
And the latter
who even is faster than a tailwind swift swim swampert😭
pros simply ingore no attack pokémon, so its very normal for them to end up in the last slot
Tailwind swift swim choice scarf basculegion
Yes it's to remove trickroom.. but this sini goes on everything she can be a trick room sini too
Irrelevant aint it
but you wont always get up tailwind and rain
You're not going to be always be in the right position and Basculegion is a big problem for Swampert surprisingly
also think about archaludon
okayyy okayyy what elsee
what abt the statss and move of pelipper and
others
i dont like raichu here
i honestly just use him for theee electric pokemons
I dont see the issue
Swampert
i think a secondary mega is key here
Can we mega chu?
but its still effectivee
I was thinking of suggesting of using mega Raichu here
Swampert is immune to electric attacks
Swamperts ground type is immune to electric
no he isnt🥹🥹
Bro
He is
maybe
but mega pokémon who really value the rain are dnite, scizor, metagross, mawile and venusaur
It is immune
Doesnt matter of water is weak to electric
Tf swampert do you have 😭😭
Huh??? 😭😭
Venusaur and Mawile I think are contenders I myself like here tbh
Immunity override everything
I WAS THINKING OF EARTHQUAKE OMG
Hahaha 😂
what a brilliant mind
I WAS SAYING SWAMPERT ISNT IMMUNE TO EARTHQUAKES
Water = electric strong
Ground = electric 0 dmg
Think about it that way
Can a basculegion can get fake out-ed? (except for scrappy)
whats scrappy
No ghost type
Allows normal move to hit ghost
And fighting
basicially deletes the defensive ghost values
Kangaskan and lopunny get it
that ability is too specific omg its practically useless most of the time
Fym
thats why alot of ppl use scrappy close combat (bye bye gholdengo)
Last resort Kangaskhan is a menace
Kanghaskan is actually very useful in base form because of Scrappy
i mean what if the enemy doesnt have ghost😭😭 then that ability is useless
WE ARE GOING OFF TOPIC OMG😃😃😃
It makes it so your attack can't be lowered by the likes of intimidate either
Scrappy is a very good ability
hitting ghost types very hard and ignoring intimidate is very strong
So you basically just negate Incineroar or intimidate users
Scrappy doesn't ignore intimidate??
It does
wait i remember dragonite have that so why does my extreme speed didnt hit a gengar?
Thats inner focus
Oh wow I never new 😭😭
Dragonite gets multiscale and inner focus as abilities
It doesn't get scrappy
and whats the difference of inner focus and scrappy???
Its okay, I also keep forgetting some small details sometimes
Focus prevents flinching
Inner focus prevents attack lowering and flinching
Scrappy = Normal/Fighting hits ghosts
Inner Focus = ingore Flinches (fakeout, rock slide)
Damn gamefreak really targeted these ability to a certain pokemon
both ignore intimidate aswell
ohhh
Scrappy only prevents attack lowering AND lets you attack ghost types with normal and fighting moves
so what does that have to do with my team🥹🥹, from what i can see theres no inner focus and scrappy in my team😞😞
I was listening a few megas
Because we do need a secondary mega
They want you to swap raichu for a mega
The most common swampert rain mega is metagross
I think Venusaur works quite well ngl
Ive done a swampert sceptile team
Its fun
Any steel type megas do well in rain
and venusaur
bc of thickfat and rain it basicially 4x resists fire
what abilityyy
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Hospitality
yes
Always Hospitality
I MEAN NATURE
Bold imo
But Calm works
Maybe the others have a preference
i mean heatproof looks cute
I've seen some run it with +attack on some niche sets but more defense is better here
i prefer using a modest nature with just enough investment to OHKO swampert or fire pokémon on rain (using scald) but I do believe Valkrix is calced to survive any gambit sets
Exactly
soo bold nature?
in this case yea
The thing is Hospitality heals you when it comes out.. the free heal is too strong compared to occasional benefits of heatproof
I remember when a heatproof calm mind set won a regional
these are all my pokemonss if you want to replacee raichiii
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Heatproof is very very niche
Mawile
Yes
Did it? Not suprised its a good Ability but I think Hospitality is more useful expecially since luna us new
Mawile is amazing in rain teams
and you got acess to trickroom and tailwind, what is great for mawile
YEY MY FAV MEGA
Mawile would be sick.. plus you can use the tr for her since so swamp
100% better ability, it was against the heatran meta
(aside from mega gardevoir)
hospitality
I wonder in which matchups Mawile would come against though in a team like this?
when you get fucked by grass moves
this is my build for her
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Saying fucked is quite dramatic I like to say Jaronaed
for example my mega delphox and whimsicott both know energyball and delphox easily outspeeds it
Jokes aside makes sense
I WANT A METAL MOVE
STEEL
Iron head?
Wouldn't you want some speed in a team like this?
The amount of times i have a hard time with mega floeete
To use tailwind
usually
Play Rough
Iron Head / Rockslide
Sucker Punch / Swords Dance (overkill imo)
Protect
And also trick room
Its was a sunroom mawile
Ah fair
But yes your right she wants mawile faster here
And she will break her other team
how fast?
75 speed
in tailwind = 150, outspeeds dengo
im trickroom = slower than incin
not reallyy its just a minor speed change (I DONT USE HER IN THAT TEAM WHICH SUCKSS)
Take evs out of hp?
yea
what naturee
adamant
Very nice to sit in imo
mawile is the og zacian, all you want to do is click play rough and delete anything
Yess
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I miss having sd on her
looks fine
Can she add the 2 Def to hp?
I personally would run Iron Head over rock slide for Stab
Yess
Buuut
Nothing wrong with rock slide
one small tip
dont always suckerpunch basculegion
they will often try and use aqua jet, and aqua jet will go first
so suckerpunch will fail
what moree
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solarbeam and cm replacement
ohhg okayy
trickroom ragepowder
OMG WRONG SEND
Your missing a point on peli too
Life Orb Pelipper is still insane to me 😭
I am SHOCKED it works
So used to having it just be bulky
Omg I didnt see the Orb 😂
Another team I saw used it
I used a specs dozo to reach #1
nothing shocks me anymore yk
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Add 1 point to speed on peli
I'd assume so from a vet like you tbf
I JUST PUT IT THERE
I DONT KNOW WHAT ITEM
buy a focus sash
Damp rock always good
Or Sash
wait, dont we wont a sash peli?
Ye
i already have focus sash
with max spa max speed
Put it on Peli
the use it mofo
Don't be rude
That was in raichiii before🥹😭
I still like heteras idea of encore instead of Foul Play. But idk if its for you luna no attacks can be hard
lmao what
not anymore, raichu is out
my wifi is gone
But encouring protects is broken
im back hell8
whattt statss and movee
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max speed max SpA jolly
moves are fine
and sash
Jolly??
Timid?
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No
you guys will lower special attack🥹
i always went with jolly, to outspeed even the fastests like mega aero
Jolly lowers spatk
oh
We want Timid
my bad
Lol
yes
sped up atk down
atk-
spe+
thats what i mean
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Yessirrr
With timid
doneee
very nice
Still add 2 hp stat pounts
Points
put a sash on it and youre good to go
i believe
If the bars are yellow your missing points
i wouldnt care to memorise their name
what abt thoseee
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Memorizing natures can help in the middle of battle and also help communicate with others better etc
Who made the evs?
Overall terminology is always good in an information game
Was it you or wahh
i only memorize
adamant
modest
jolly
timid
quiet (spA+ & spe- (hatterene, torkoal etc)
yeh i cannot doubt that
i dont know🥹
i only memorise serious
why so serious
what abt pebbless
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Change his stats. Id max spdef
aint that neutral nature
good set
But can do max hp Max spatk
to whoo
Arch
DO NOT run max spa max hp arch
what will you possibly do with two gambits
I prefer for spdef since his Def is good
idk🥹
What do you run banjo
so what to change
i got a very very good arch ev spread, give me a minute
sometimes its not efficient to min max everything
Its usually best to tailor to calcs but takes longer to calc every possibility
If we count minmaxxing as getting the best spread possible it's actually very efficient, if we're talking max max then yeah
Semantics
Hate semantics
my ev for archa is max sp then halves spd and hp
dont know what this shi mean cuz im not native
112 Spe = in tailwind 224, outspeeds pokémon like mega aero (fastest pokémon by nature rn)
176 SpA +1 OHKOs bulky bascu, mega staraptor
SpD investment = survives calm mind mega floette dazzling
176Spa +1 OHKOs offensive floettes
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dope
Nabbing this
Same 😆
is this ittt??
yes
Yess
what does it mean 15+🥹
15 points
The + is nature
So Modest Nature
+spatk -atk
if you go 14+ it will be 174, but because of the EV bump every 11 statpoints, I try and get that as often as possible, to maximize my pokémons ev spread, and saving ev points
one question what is ev bump
doneee
I keep forgetting how complicated all this is- I was lucky to have watched a crap ton of videos talking about EVs and stats before even getting into VGC
But it's all really nutty 😭
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what abt bubbless?
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The stat you are boosting by your nature gains +2 points, every 11 points
Its the red bars ingane
the usual numbers are
143
154
165
176
187
198
209
and it keeps going
how much speed is that in its mega
70
Mine has 102 cant remember where i got mine from
102 is very dangerous number
atleast against my team
my mega delphox knows grass knot and has 204 speed
by setting up rain its a speed tie
Keep in mind its plus Swift Swim.
Tbh id go higher
Never saw a gknot delphox yet
102 is 22 points if we going Adamant.. go what 25?
Or just Max it
so what to do with bubbless?
I use grass knot mega delphox with energy ball whimsicott, even on -1 and light screen it "ohko's" but more like 2 hit kos mega swampert and outspeeds it
but my team is constantly improving, i really try my best to counter the meta
id say more speed
I have mixed feelings about this meta
what nature and what statss
Max it? And keep Adamant
I'd honestly say max speed max atk adamant
its veery bulky by nature, you just have to position it where its safe from grass type moves
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i just realize 5/6 of my pokemons resist grass🥹🥹
yeaaa atleast neutral damage
but i get what you mean
thats good
And 1 melts to grass 😂
pelipper and sableye and the rest resist it very much
Luna keep in mind too Freeze-Dry does x4 damage to swampert
So ninetales, glaceon
whats that
arch 4x resists grass, probably a good switch in into a grass type move
Its an ice move that is super effective to water
same with guinevere
true but the freeze dry mons are not very good rn
im glad
i hate iron bundle
Except for nintales on snow teams mine has been eating swamperts
Prolly coz its not expected
ninetales is probably the best, but I do believe it also has the worst attacking stat out of the freeze dry mons
Yes. Ive seen some glaceons but not alot
BTW I think its finished now
I FORGOT SWAMPERT NEEDS A MEGA
Wdym
i assume she forgor to press mega evo in battle
WE ARE NOT DONE
NO WAY
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HELLO
😡😡
damn left on seen
Whaaaaat
that team😡😡😡
Not enough dmg
Where?
Bubbles Bridgey peliper and mawile should carry
You can remove pebbles for another attacker
But then you will need a bulkier peliper with damp rock to keep rain up
i brought pelipper, Sableeye, Mega mawile, Archaludon
I lost to a villeplume with strength sap, leech seed, protect and giga drain
ITS FULL STALL
i feel like my mawile was the problem
Her being full and mega cant kill a villeplume
is it good if she have a fire attack?
