Master VGC Team Building: Speed Control & Tailwind Tips
Summary
In the Pokémon Champions | VGC Battles & Tournaments server, members collaborate on competitive team building and meta optimization. This discussion focuses on solving speed control issues by integrating Tailwind users like Talonflame and Aerodactyl into team compositions. The community provides expert advice on move sets, such as using Drum Beating on Rillaboom, to help players refine their strategies for the current VGC meta.
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you need a tailwind mon
can you get something like talonflame aerodactyl or whimsicott?
aero would prob be best
whimsi second
Oh ok
i just see issues with speed control
yes
mainly
try drum beating on rilla
I rested recruitment like 9 times still nth....
we can see if someone can trade you one into pokemon home
I got a few mins hisuian typlosion, toxapex, bascuelegion and sm more stuff
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i have a team i built in testing the meta out you could try if you had aero
lemme go find it
Oh ok
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this is specifically for phox and is pretty straight forward
another option is to remove incineroar entirely and bring a second mega
A talon i got....
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grab talonflame
Oo
Alr
What can I do with talon though
hes a nuke
priority flying moves with gale wings
gives you speed control with tailwind
gives you a hard hitting brave bird and flare blitz
Damn
speed is KING in vgc
Yh
controlling it wins you more games than having six xerneas would lmao
😂
so lets adjust here
A ground type maybe with talon ?
you have mega garchomp
Yh both stones
he can still hit really hard with earth power
Yh
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there
try that
Nice .. but
delphox...
mhm
immune to ground able to psyspam. able to use heat wave
very VERY good mega
just needs work
to practice with
hunting for a venusaur would be insane. and very much put you in line with the meta
I alr got it now
Ohh ok
delphox is a crazy mega bro
it looks off but it really has the potential to go all out
especially if you manage to get a nasty plot off, that is not impossible with the right support
follow me indeedee can do it as well
i will show
just ran a test match into tr yeah the indeedee setup for follow me makes it a tank
you can survive one rock slide as well
that being said
swapping expanding force for calm mind still works better
on phox
Damn
No u dont 😭
be quiet child
The entire idea of balance
Is to be balanced
balance still has speed control
not doing this today with you
yap shut
hop on out
The only balance that has tw was volcarona
go on
shoo
Nah
go rage bait some children
buddy
I dont like hearing someone spread misinformation 👍
literally no one gives a damn.
Cus rn this team looks good
youre an idiot. always have been always will. just out trying to get a rise out of more than one person telling them they need a form of speed control
its a waste of your time
its a waste of mine
so do us both a favor and skeedaddle
shoo
the adults are talking
"Oh your a idiot blah blah" buddy i know mons more than you ever will 😭
only an idiot will try and rage bait and tell a beginner to play with zero speed control
now go on
shoo
Its called balance
Fuckin idiot 😭
its called dont be an idiot
you expect someone in great ball to be able to play balance
go on
Name a single popular team rn that used speed control
again
shoo
be an idiot elsewhere
Balance is the easiest archetype to fuckin learn
oh yes. hard reads over speed control
You dont even need hard reads
What
youre a literal idiot and wasting everyones time
shut up and move along
You suggested tw then say talon
all he has is talon
Gtfo these team builders omg 😭
but hey! you would know that if you read the thread retard
shut your dumb ass the fuck up and go read a book or something
always gotta be you running your mouth and being an insufferable idiot the minute you show up
do something with your life that isnt trying to rage bait people in a discord server. its boring and makes you look stupid
You talk all this for a guy who doesn't know shit about mons 😭
try harder
its sad and boring
https://klipy.com/gifs/ragebait-ineffective
how does any of this help the guy with you in here treating everything like a playground for your mentally ill sad home life shit behavior lil bro
move along
How does spreading shit info help either
its sad its boring and its a waste of my time
Fuck outta here
move along
go on
you can do it
Holy chill!
Real ahi
Shi
this is all he does.
were handling it
He needs a job
https://klipy.com/gifs/who-is-bro
oh i have one. you need some manners and a therapist
now again. move along
wasting everyones time man
Balright
This is just larp
Also bro can u tell me the basic structure and how to use this team
This is too far
Chill they won't argue more...
yeah sure ❤️
I just dont want missinfotmation 👍
Happy to help
and yet youre in here telling the guy losing trying to play balance to go back to it.
read the thread fully before you open the yapper.
Kane
Shut up
Youre just making shit worse
For yourself
not really man
If anyone argues i will break the thread smash it in my head and turn into a pickachu and zap myself in the tv
😭
you too
Fuck i do
Yeah someone
What are you evs on this team
I think that helps
And moves etc
overall the base mons are fine
Yall woke me up acting like children. Quit it. If you want to provide meaningful input actually explain why. Dont just go "hurr gurr this is bad just because"
Moves and evs help alot
I agree
half of it happened in gen chat before we got him in a thread
basic gist is hes struggling to play balance.
teams not working because hes losing speed and damage.
Yh but the thing is the teams with speed control people
Others:- oh boy u gonna fight me move first
Ko
Me:- match over.... 😭
try to keep in mind hes new and some modes dont work for all people.
These are the previous team evs
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Ah okay, adding your own speed controls will help alot
These are of current one
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What sort of balance style are you looking for?
Like an own tailwinder
.
I don't even know half the archetypes tbh I js wanna move fast and don't be vulnerable to a team and absolutely get cooked
this is what weve cooked for tw with his box.
Ok so we want ho
What about the old one. Imo thats the better one. Also mega delphox cant benefit from e force because it has levitate in mega
its supposed to be calm mind
Yh i haven't changes yet
The issue is whats the poikt of dual terrain
Dual terrain feels way to high skill cap here
Take a look at the team i just bumped cham and lmk what you think
Because in great ball its full of genuine bs 😭
Like wtf is mega amph tr
Or even oranguru and persian
except hes fighting things like baton pass espathra
Hey i ran ts for half a season
😭 raichu X?
yard
☠️
Yh bro that shit ko like crazy 😭
3x baton pass for garunteed ohko into every mon
yeah its bullshit
Espathra isnt even that used but super funny
Thats a troll strat fr
Oh 100%
but its funny troll strat
honestly id swap indeedee off the team. on it currently to see what benefits it better
Except when the +3 yard kills your entire team
Yh that guy did baton pass switched to yard and js ... I can't say it ...
Chameleoj
Id recommend my mabzol team or my mega emboar sunroom team
Question
So do you just wanna hit the button and nuke shi or
Id take indeedee off give rilla miracle seed, swap indeedee for like milotic or a water mon to complete a core
Ye dual terrain without metagross is a choice
But then us basically any rilla milo + fire core
Could swap chomp for metagross but id rather chomp
Ayo all of you use your big brains to agree on 1 shit ....
Bcz
1) i am new
2) i am new .....
3) i am new .. (ping pong)
Milo is just hard to position imo
We all just sayin ideas rn
We are brainstorming now its okay
But back to my question
We will Pivot a bit
Do you just wanna click the funny button and nuke shi
Yeah she can be
Basc can work
Bulky lorb?
Ok check out any of tbose teams in that thread. It goes over everything specific to that team in its entirety
Yeah bulkier the better for a newbie
I wanna win... Whatever it takes also consider my iq... Since it's lower
So like clicking the funny button n killing shi is up your alley
Ohh
Kinda
Thats what he needs
Then put him on hyper offense
Not balanced
I play alot of hyper offense
Balance is more strategic
I think i do have the mons for hyper offense
Like mabzol psyspam
Right you dont even have basc
We can give you a starting team now and mons to look for
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I have female basc
Could just go psyspam tbh
This is literally my only hyper O team rn i have but its still pretty balancy ev wise
https://pokepast.es/db53713b94d8b6da
has neither of the megas
... I will go broke if i start spinning for floette before i get a team...
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you cant spin for floette
Oh shi i forgot it had fko
😭
It's cooked..
just repurpose the megas into something he does have
Ohh .. i only need absol for this team hmm
Ya
Yh .
Idk he wants boom funnt button
Check the document i pinged you on, it goes over the everytbing for the team
you also have yard venu core
It is boom funny button...
All my teams are kinda balancy rn
No thats lemme tr and be a bad person then psyspam or use absol or sum
Can u ping me again' pls ..
trueeeee
I like ugartes team but i dont think you have most of it
https://pokepast.es/8bf8cae904891d68
Y'all skill lvl too good so u can play balance i get my ahh whooped....
I play hyper O but i been leaning towards balancier play
Balance isnt that skilled imo its a pretty easy archetype imoo
practice with a tw team and get your reads up.
this works if he swaps megas for Chomp and hunts for raichu
can still play hyper offense.
could always sylveon
15 pages...
I agree
But like
you need to practice with other team archetypes to know how to counter too
The team is built around flo chi
I have a entire doc
13 and 14 are most important
ya its a good flo team
quick question. why are we building him teams with mons he doesnt have.
im tryna make someones team become mons he has
id take grim off that psyspam team
too slow
I have turned through 29k vp and 256 tickets and still no team... I have more to burn....
dont
save em
you dont have rouge either
we can build with whats in the box easily.
Off mine?
ye
psyspam wants to go burr
grim is anti tempo
Imo your first team was good can i see the evs n moved
yes
Its mainly there to make paper thing mabsol a little bulkier
yard has zero spatk invest there is no bulk on mons there should be there is no tempo.
.
after that its a read problem and learning defensive swapping.
yeah true, but hes only there to counter your psyspam resistances, HSamarott can do that (not that he has it) could use ape for now
Hm maybe
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This is what i have down on the why grimmsnarl
What about moves
dont get me wrong your team looks good, but im thinking about skill level too
Uhh here
Rillaboom @ Miracle Seed
Ability: Grassy Surge
Level: 50
EVs: 32 HP / 32 Atk / 2 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Grassy Glide
- Wood Hammer
- High Horsepower
- U-turn
Sneasler @ White Herb
Ability: Unburden
Level: 50
EVs: 2 HP / 32 Atk / 32 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Close Combat
- Dire Claw
- Rock Slide
- Throat Chop
Charizard @ Charizardite Y
Ability: Blaze
Level: 50
EVs: 2 HP / 32 SpA / 32 Spe
Modest Nature
- Heat Wave
- Protect
- Solar Beam
- Weather Ball
Kingambit @ Chople Berry
Ability: Defiant
Level: 50
EVs: 32 HP / 32 Atk / 2 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Kowtow Cleave
- Iron Head
- Sucker Punch
- Low Kick
Garchomp @ Garchompite Z
Ability: Rough Skin
Level: 50
EVs: 2 HP / 32 Atk / 32 Spe
Modest Nature
- Dragon Claw
- Protect
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
Gholdengo @ Focus Sash
Ability: Good as Gold
Level: 50
EVs: 2 HP / 32 SpA / 32 Spe
Modest Nature
- Make It Rain
- Shadow Ball
- Protect
- Nasty Plot
I assume standard
Yea fair
make it as easy as possible to play bring bulky options
You want special attacking moves for garchomp Z
Sine your modest
And 32 atrack
You do less damage
Yh i had changed that since I don't have its ss it's my old blueprint
How did u find it...
Chomp Z wants
Dragon pulse/ draco meteor
Earth power/flame thrower
Power gem
Protect
i was there when you sent it.
Oh yh
This is the one i was running
So yeah thats the problem with chomp Z
Is its not hitting for maximum damage
neither is yard.
And u let it get intimidate cycled running physical
like. at all
What
waaay bulky Yard
What do the evs do
or gholdengo
I kinda wanna hear about that before judging
rilla is not bulky enough
The dengo is like
its ok its not great.
I wanna know what your eving for
Bro this community is too r
Diversed someone had said that hard hitter is better and someone else told me bulky ....
In yard
Tbf its up to preference
Bulky yard n speedy yard are both good
yard is best with some balanced stats. live a rock slide still hit hard
mons can be run based on the persons playstyle
you need to find yours
I always ran 32 timid for damage
Kane and dnite are you both civil now?
i suggest trying a bulky team and a hyper offence team and see what you like
chill they are chilling
Also imo ancient power yard > solar beam
Gonna be expensive finding that... Okay can we try hyper offense or maybe speed control since in my previous acc too i was playing with those
I have a name
Ik i just wanna know if its chill yo go back to sleep
😭😭
Modest 24/0/14/11/0/17
has been my yard spread
works pretty well to toe the line
..
if i were you i would make a bulky team with psyspam and tr and a hyper offense team and see what you like
this
chameleon. do you want to fix the team you were using, or rebuild something different.
Imo let him test showdown before using it in game thats how i like using trams
ik a lot of this stuff everyone is tossing out is a lot
but its your thread. what do you want
Mate i can't run balance .... I have been played 18 games on greatball tier 2 i haven't moved....
then we dont run balance. what mega do you want to use
Hmm
I also think it takes practice if ur gonna dedicate to balance
But hyper O also needs a brain
were here to help not to tell him how to play
Cus u cant always click the button
And im not doing that
so lets start simple. pick a mega or two out of your box and we will build aroudn them
Idk maybe chomp or smt
chomp z is a good start.
Also can i ask smt
sure!
Chomp Z hyper offense is good
Wouldn't earthquake with Normal mega chomp with max att do more dmg than earth power chomp z with max SpA
Chomp Z psyspam is fun imo. But pls test teams on Pokemon showdown before building in champs
Yh
...
well if you run the mega and have phys moves on him it will do less damage
the mega is a pure special attacker
cant have lorb and stone
Mega reg cjomp is weak to common intimidates, rilla terrain if u use eq and needs sand to max benwdjt
i didnt read the mega part. just normal chomp
normal mega chomp gets kinda eaten rn ngl
They said normal mega no? Or am i high
Ok so ... Chomp z 1st mon...
Normal mega* ye im rigjt
they did. its nine am ive been here and up all night
Lol
chomp z is naturally already fast
151 i think
Also earthquake gets weakened in grassy terrain
yes.
New interaction to note
Ohh new knowledge
Ohu
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Its a reason g chomps dropped eq
so.
Reg chomp fucked me up on sand
zomp is on
Mega*
you dont want to play balance.
zomps fast. might as well play tw.
Hyper o lfg
your only tw user is talonflame so hes a lock
plus prio brave bird can help here.
what else do we have.
rilla fits pretty much anywhere.
Milo or basc for the FWG core
basc more offence
Here is box so u don't have scroll
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milo gives you a wall for defensive swap ins basc stays fast and hits hard and works well as a late game sweeper.
Okay
...
1) chompZ
2) milo
3)talonflame.
and rilla
rilla
ya
that gives us four
now we need some supporting cast.
there are low support options here
yes.
but we have maushold for follow me support.
uhhh
you can always run own tempo indeedee as well
sini
i thought sini but we have rilla
then farig
yes
twin beam to take care of opposing sneasler
blocking other teams prio
leaves us with one slot.
special preferably
can go gholdengo for coverage.
uhhhh
actually yeah.
Talonflame @ Focus Sash
Ability: Gale Wings
Level: 50
EVs: 2 HP / 32 Atk / 32 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Tailwind
- Flare Blitz
- Brave Bird
- Quick Guard
Milotic @ Leftovers
Ability: Competitive
Level: 50
EVs: 20 HP / 20 Def / 4 SpA / 8 SpD / 14 Spe
Calm Nature
- Protect
- Scald
- Ice Beam
- Life Dew
Rillaboom @ Miracle Seed
Ability: Grassy Surge
Level: 50
EVs: 32 HP / 32 Atk / 2 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Grassy Glide
- Fake Out
- Wood Hammer
- High Horsepower
Farigiraf @ Colbur Berry
Ability: Armor Tail
Level: 50
EVs: 27 HP / 20 Def / 19 SpD
Bold Nature
- Trick Room
- Helping Hand
- Psychic
- Imprison
Gholdengo @ Life Orb
Ability: Good as Gold
Level: 50
EVs: 17 HP / 17 SpA / 32 Spe
Timid Nature
- Make It Rain
- Shadow Ball
- Protect
- Nasty Plot
Garchomp @ Garchompite Z
Ability: Rough Skin
Level: 50
EVs: 2 HP / 32 Atk / 32 Spe
Modest Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Earth Power
- Protect
- Flamethrower
covers mega from fairy
no coil?
i fw it
we can coil
this was slapped together as we talked
The teams lacks against electric or ice coverage
you have two options for milo here. one is life dew to help support the team more. the other is coil which raises atk def and acc by one.
your mega covers electric. talonflame covers ice
Gholdengo makes me want a follow me user
could lets you spam muddy water and hypnosis too
yes.
honestly can remove farig for a follow me user. kind of the only spot swap
still feel like indeedee is the answer if we do though.
Life dew prob
defensively it just kinda sits better and keeps the same coverage. just no terrain
i just added her
still gives a tr remover
yes.
yeah this works.
https://pokepast.es/5fe75dabe58d9d6a
how do you feel about power gem over flamethrower
we can coz we have talon
yard coverage
earth power wont land
agreed
https://pokepast.es/59d5f793d7f19c6c
otherwise it looks like itll work
shouldnt be hard to pilot either
ill spam some games
Should I spam games too?
in showdown yes
send the replays here
yah try all this in showdown, most of your issue is probably experience tbf
we can help there
it also lets us see your play by play and help you patch holes in that experience
Sure
It the team works ping me... I will make and start recording games and showing for review
Rainbows wolfe is here...
oh it works
Oh ok time to speed run building
the team is for sure solid
What were the some changes in this
After an hour of chaos a team was awaken .. ♥️
farig went out indeedee came in power gem over flamethrower on mega
showdown first. just copy the link and paste it there and practice before laddering
Where to put the link
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teambuilder button then new team put the format. reg mc champions then hit import from text or url paste code then hit the import button
Then ladder or random battle ?
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change random battle to reg mc champions
select the team and fight with it
after the game there is a button to press to get a link paste the link to the replay here
says upload and share replay
click it hit copy and paste here. like this
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regmc-2697702115
Bro can u explain the basic structure and plans of this team I am about to spam game in showdown
yeah!
talonflame is here to give you tw support and prio brave bird. as well as blocking fake out. milotic is your defensive water wall. swap into it if you run into something like yard. rilla does what rilla does. fake out grassy glide prio i would swap miracle seed for grassy seed personally to make him more livable indeedee is here to provide follow me support remove trick room setups hard counter things like sneasler and helping hand boost mons like gholdengo and garchomp. gholdengo is your special nuke and a defensive swap in against fake outs. chomp is there to be the core of your hyper offense with good coverage.
basic gist
Ty
Also helping hand won't work on gholdengo though but it will on garchomp
huh?
oh good as gold im tired
