Competitive Sun Team Guide: VGC Meta Breakdown
Summary
Pokémon Champions | VGC Battles & Tournaments presents a new competitive Sun team guide featuring a unique Sitrus Berry Venusaur build. This breakdown covers essential EV benchmarks, defensive calculations, and strategic tips for handling common meta threats like Garchomp and Kingambit. It is a must-read for players looking to optimize their team composition and climb the ladder with a fresh, high-performance strategy.
Version 1: https://pokepast.es/f602f6fdf8b36fe8
Alright guys, new season new team.
Here I come with, as the title suggests, a meta slave team featuring sun (yard ofc) and venu, which seems to not be the go to in the current meta, with whim having wayyyy too much usage over it or it holding the mega stone, which obviously I'm not so it's a completely different Mon.
As for EVs, I'm about to go in a basic breakdown for all the benchmarks hit just if any nerd like me cares (probably the best part of the team)
Venu, always takes a dwb from mega aero after sitrus pop, takes two +1 moonblasts from floette and outspeeds every relevant Mon under sun, rest spatk
Yard, takes Ada slide from chomp, creeps rotom creep, rest spatk (probably changing to creep fucking vivillon creep because f that mf)
Chomp, insanely bulky set, takes heat wave into claw from most yard chomp leads being able to punish em insanely hard
Sylveon, generic sylveon EV popularized by the ariados guy, takes heat wave into eq from most chomp yard leads iirc
Adamant sash basc, pretty straightforward, the go to for basc in high ladder sadly
Gambit takes Sneas cc with chople pop and two hyper voices from gard iirc
Sitrus on Venu for all the calcs I said, here to stick around and be the only "speed control" of the team with sleep powder WHICH IS GOING TO HIT OK
Yard, nuke button overheat comprehends for defendive EVs, no one expects air slash to say goodbye to sneasler, don't need solar beam since leaf storm venu CLEARS
Bulky scarf chomp here to stick and not be the destroy them button, just annoying damage dealer to chip everyone down/clean endgames/kill glimmoras. You do not need to OHKO stuff if you outspeed them and survive the double up mindset
Sash Basc boringggggggggg. Will not bother explaining since you probably already know
No cap thinking about changing gambit to supreme overlord because intim never comes in it. It's gambit so it's here to save the day Vs the fishes giving you nightmares.
Yes I do not have speed control. This is on purpose, I have 3 priority Mons with two of them being reliable, and don't really need the speed control when Venu puts everything to sleep imo, ik seems weird af and scuffed but if played well can really work.
No fake out but I have protect on 5 so not thatttt big of a deal (it kinda is but again, if he fakes out the one slot the other one is killing him.
Any criticism appreciated as long as it's constructive and backed up by evidence.
As for where it was tested, made 1700 on showdown ladder just now, will start counting winrate, expect update in a week. Only like 10 loses or so for now lol, old account and no relays saved so you have to trust me on that, no need to tho.
For leads Vs stuff just ask
I ran out of space
https://pokepast.es/1800174073859387
Updated version
Supreme overlord gambit helps in quite a few mus including mega gard
Iirc it ohkos it with three allies fainted
With sucker
Which I find funny af
Garchomp spdef fixed to take fairy feather modest max hyper voice from sylveon
Gambit spdef changed to take two hyper voices from garde mega
Also changed yard creep to creep vivillon because fuck that mon
I high-key might change the Basc slot even if it helps a lot in a few mus
Maybe farigiraf for a TR mode can help with this
if anyone wants to bother reading or something, need some help and advice
I’ll read over it all soon
I read it
Cool ig
So uh what should I do with the Basc slot
Idk
Yeah I see what you mean you got no speed control out side of venu sleep powder chlorofyl
Farig makes sense adds some bulk to the team too
Farig kinda seems like your only option because whims talon dragonite don’t work on this team for speed control
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2623973378-5say56a9mpedms09rs6f69hc52yittupw
On main so lower elo
But just an example of where Basc helps
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2623974873-4f2cdlbner7ollhsrxl3t4wegpn8q78pw
Imma just post replays from now on and team changes if anyone wants to get a better idea of how team is being played
I find it hard to fit tr when Basc saves my ass so much
Yeah that is cool . This would be why his useage is so high lol
Maybe something else is the weak spot no basc
If you take off venu you could have whimsi and keep basc
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2623977427-d16dcvkf1rjaos2pmerj7hcqdb41rf0pw
Well in the next replay you can see Venu carry
Clean ass game
Idk why they forfitted, when there is a fissure there is a way
If it’s a bulk team that doesn’t need speed the thing would be sceeens or quash maybe
Basc claims a Mon on the Sneas slot and low kick plus liquid always kills snorlax I think
I wish I had such a snorlax answer
I just pretend it doesn’t exist
I mean, I feel like if I'm able to outplay and end twind like this I don't need twind
But ofc it's not reliable
Some bulk would fix that
I just use roar and deal with it later on
Why are we having a sleep war in a format without amoongus where sleep has been nerfed 💀
But it works
Also it's not necessarily a nerf
You can play consistently with it now
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2623980707-fx1oxx714nelplpc07vuw8cbqmo96p2pw
Not saying sleep aint useful now I am just saying that its funny to see a sleep battle in this format
Mmmm very high rank with it. Didn’t realise it’s going this well haha
Would be moveset changes at this point not Mon changes I assume
And ev tweaks
To make it live longer and still threaten everything
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2623982092-p7stveljpjjylv14sn0twwtt02s753bpw
It's not that high lol
Bro I keep fluctuating between like 1300 and 1500, consistantly being at over 1600 is rly good
And same ^
No one sends replays of this high rank ever besides you lol
The battles are interesting
Not really what I’d expect
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2623983619-1prngelcx8pnpr8k0aythc8cbfuioclpw
First throw
Auto pivoted and locked wrong slots
I mean I guess, it's not even top 500 nowadays so it's whatever imo
Safe play and preserving pieces as well as understanding mus gets you high enough
Unfortunate t2 miss so had to play around that
If I hit I straight up win
That’s was a pretty cool team you battle I wonder when they actually bring abomasnow
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2623987845-t1rbihmqgqw7wwfd8ldnammf7iyy4axpw
Vs rain
I actually battled that team before it got popular
Vs like a top 3 SD player at the time
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2623990161-v6aqe09imp5bocxq9j14sosmsr5e4dkpw
Outplayed in endgame
Another supreme overlord gambit player tho
Which is intriguing
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2623991974-xoib14ef0suqgmsrrifvygqg6joyq3ppw
Vs someone who thought could play perish
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2623993524-psppsujcnkv0sffpvy8m7fa5k114aphpw
K that was bad
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2623994702-iqk6pq1qgf52cera4s20adr4dkttgy4pw
Ok he is just better
Holy basc
Protect EQ EQ sucker won ig
But damn
That was very bo1 of them haha
Substitute basc is actually kinda interesting
Not exactly good
But interesting
And it was really bulky I think
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2624048569-3idoe70s9apfqinr7862cbx2lwyedtlpw
Man I love my evs
Yard countercreep been working
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2624017315
Part of me misses scarf rotom, part of me knows that gardevoir feels borderline unusable without dragonite if I kept it
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2624062472-4h6gjinluj265t7de48i4qcc1enke9apw
Absolutely no understanding of the mu whatsoever
What
Fast air slash char y
Boom me
What's your dnite speed
150 in mega
That's just a bad creep though
?
You need to be 151 to creep 85s
You are currently creeping gourgeist btw
What exactly does creeping mean?
Like outspeeding?
Yeah hitting a benchmark
Always outspeeding a mon
Ok so what pokemon do you recommend I outspeed?
My yard creep is currently vivillon creep +1
Aka 157
To creep ppl creeping for vivillon
I find myself outspeeding most garchomps and Floettes running around lol
Max dragonite can do without speed boosting nature is 152
I mean these all are teambuilding choices
You can choose to invest more to be faster
And give up power
To attack before all these guys
Dragonite doesn't rly hit that hsrd to begin with tho
Or you can run 151 to creep base 85s
Or Mons creeping base 85s by going just full on 152
If you do not want to do that
I would personally suggest 147 to get the base 80s countercreep
You can afford even lower
Since most 80s are running adamant/modest
Aka mega mega or
Venu
I think 151 is good
So you can go for an 78 countercreep
To get the blastoise mega and basc
But again these are running adamant
So the lowest you can go if you want bulk is modest 80 creep
133/134 if you want countercreep
Because no one's running jolly there imo
Dragonite rly bulky so I can afford to be as fast as possible without reducing spa
I mean yeah I guess that is true
At the same time there can be an argument
In which you hit only the lowest possible benchmark so you can be bulky af
And hitting modest
You are going for the more middling approach, not going full on fast aka jolly/timid you are going modest/Ada and max which
Idk how I feel bout but is a choice
These all are teambuilding choices you can probably get away with most of it
Ok thanks ig
Although I think I am just more confused now
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2625541377-9vc3hn2lrwymw1tb5gqj8th3p9v8op5pw
Funny prediction
lol
