Community Debate: The Ethics of Abortion | FriendZone

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The FriendZone | Make Friends & Chat ⋅ Active Social Fun ⋅ Chill ⋅ VC server recently hosted a passionate community debate regarding the ethics of abortion. Members explored complex moral perspectives, ranging from bodily autonomy and healthcare rights to the definition of human life. This discussion highlights the diverse viewpoints within our active social community and our commitment to hosting open, albeit intense, conversations on significant societal topics.

freshforest-75

Abortion is murder but we pretend its not and jump thru all these hoops

freshforest-75

like if an embryo isnt a human than what is it?

@freshforest-75 im pretty sure we cant just kill kids bc they arent as developed as adults based on the "my house m…
grandquiver-69

Children are outside of the womb, also it's not like they're taking direct nutrients from the mother's bloodstream

@grandquiver-69 Children are outside of the womb, also it's not like they're taking direct nutrients from the mothe…
freshforest-75

wow ur just digging urself into a hole here. It literally doesnt matter dude. Its not like the mom is dying from the nutrients being taken. Also what about breastfeeding?

@freshforest-75 Abortion is murder but we pretend its not and jump thru all these hoops
grandquiver-69

Well I do partly agree with this to a point, when the embryo becomes a fetus and gains organs while learning how to 'breathe'

grandquiver-69

?? A kid is actually it's own person by then no matter what disability or issues they got

@freshforest-75 wow ur just digging urself into a hole here. It literally doesnt matter dude. Its not like the mom…
grandquiver-69

The mother does choose it and by then the baby has become it's own person

grandquiver-69

An embryo is a clump of cells which haven't even fully developed, at that point it's mainly just a living organism yet hasn't fully prepared for actual life at that stage

@grandquiver-69 An embryo is a clump of cells which haven't even fully developed, at that point it's mainly just a…
freshforest-75

you basically just described a child dude

grandquiver-69

Btw I do think when it grows to a fetus then it's already at a stage of becoming more than just a living organism

@freshforest-75 you basically just described a child dude
grandquiver-69

A child isn't just a 'living organism' lol, they've already developed to the main stage by the time of their birth

@grandquiver-69 Btw I do think when it grows to a fetus then it's already at a stage of becoming more than just a l…
freshforest-75

now i do think that if the woman is ever in danger it is fully understandable to do it. If the woman could die then its perfectly understandable

but i hate the idea of terminating nature's process of human life just bc some woman is all like "i dont rly wanna deal with that righ nowwwwwwww. can we just kil itt"

@freshforest-75 now i do think that if the woman is ever in danger it is fully understandable to do it. If the woma…
grandquiver-69

Usually if they're at serious risk of dying then the pregnancy is usually terminated early or near the time of the birth, for the birth tho it's usually cos the baby might not survive

grandquiver-69

I do get ur second point tho I think some exceptions should also be made like for example how it was conceived and if the woman had it without her consent (violated autonomy)

@grandquiver-69 I do get ur second point tho I think some exceptions should also be made like for example how it wa…
freshforest-75

i would still much rather the baby be born and just get adopted or whatever in the second case but if she chooses abortion i still fully understand it

freshforest-75

i dont think its fair to put the choice of killing human life in the hands of one person even if its feeding off her nutrients. However i can completly see why she would choose to abort it if ykwim

@freshforest-75 i would still much rather the baby be born and just get adopted or whatever in the second case but…
grandquiver-69

Makes tho tbh I feel she shouldn't just get rid of it early on after being scarred from wtvr happened, especially since the weight of it is more than people will probably understand

@freshforest-75 i dont think its fair to put the choice of killing human life in the hands of one person even if it…
grandquiver-69

Yh I do see ur point

grandquiver-69

Depends on the situation but sometimes yeah

grandquiver-69

Also how she conceived it in the first place, and how bad her mental state is (should be medically diagnosed and severe enough)

grandquiver-69

How is it wrong then

grandquiver-69

Oh I wasn't clear, I mean stuff like SA/ grape

grandquiver-69

That's her choice if she keeps it, and he exists now to react to this which is fine

grandquiver-69

What? He's alive now, nice

grandquiver-69

I mean if it was the other way and the woman did it and got pregnant and the guy's mental state got so screwed then it should still be a choice, as long as it's in rly early stages but that's a more controversial opinion ig

grandquiver-69

IDK STOP YELLING DAMN

grandquiver-69

SMTH IS WRONG WITH U SO SHUSH

grandquiver-69

Bruv implied so far he went to Mars

grandquiver-69

You're just implying that without looking at what my view is💀

grandquiver-69

I already explained it above, you can scroll up to it

grandquiver-69

Sure, bye

snowyorange-96

Side eye

sharpdolphin-67

I mean the fetus isnt even fully developed into a new born child to even begin with 🤷‍♂️

@sharpdolphin-67 I mean the fetus isnt even fully developed into a new born child to even begin with 🤷‍♂️
pearlguitar-88

And it's not even alive yet

@pearlguitar-88 And it's not even alive yet
freshforest-75

it most definatly is. go do reasearch befrore u make comments like that

@freshforest-75 it most definatly is. go do reasearch befrore u make comments like that
pearlguitar-88

First of all relax no one insulted you and i don't even know you second of all if mother's life is in danger we would all agree abortion is needed or if the baby had extreme deformities that makes it's life hard to live we would agree with abortion and i don't agree with abortion whatsoever but in extreme cases abortion is needed

@pearlguitar-88 First of all relax no one insulted you and i don't even know you second of all if mother's life is…
freshforest-75

no def not the second one. My lil brother has down syndrome and it makes his life harder and i know tons of other ppl with disabilities through the community that my lil brother is in. He makes our lives so much better and he is a joy to be around. Idk why u think everyone would agree to murder a baby just bc its life will be hard

however i do completly agree with the mother's life in danger part. its still VERY sad that an abortion has to be done but it makes perfect sense

@freshforest-75 no def not the second one. My lil brother has down syndrome and it makes his life harder and i know…
pearlguitar-88

I was not talking about down syndrome they could live normal life's I was talking about living for example without eyes and without lungs or a heart

pearlguitar-88

Not eyes

pearlguitar-88

Bc most can live without eyes

@pearlguitar-88 I was not talking about down syndrome they could live normal life's I was talking about living for…
freshforest-75

if they are going to die like within days then yeah. but if they have a possibility to survive multiple years and at least have ANY life then its worth it to let them live

@freshforest-75 no def not the second one. My lil brother has down syndrome and it makes his life harder and i know…
pearlguitar-88

And yes most will agree in abortion bc it's mercy for the child

@freshforest-75 if they are going to die like within days then yeah. but if they have a possibility to survive mult…
pearlguitar-88

And make them live through hell?

@pearlguitar-88 And make them live through hell?
freshforest-75

dude. thats not the choice of the mother

@freshforest-75 dude. thats not the choice of the mother
pearlguitar-88

Well it's oir choice to make if the kid will live hell on earth and we have the power to stop it can you imagine living with no lungs?? You wouldn't be able to even move

@pearlguitar-88 Well it's oir choice to make if the kid will live hell on earth and we have the power to stop it ca…
freshforest-75

ok fine ykw sure those are permissable

freshforest-75

now tell me... are those anywhere NEAR the majority of abortions?

freshforest-75

no

freshforest-75

no it isnt

freshforest-75

its just ppl who didnt pull out and dont want kids

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