Building a Weird Rain Anti-Meta Team | Pokémon VGC Strategy
Summary
In the Pokémon Champions | VGC Battles & Tournaments server, members are collaborating on a unique anti-meta team featuring Vivillon, Metagross, and Politoed. The discussion explores how to optimize this rain-based core while addressing common competitive weaknesses like Trick Room and Garchomp. This thread highlights the community's dedication to theory-crafting and refining off-meta strategies for high-level VGC play.
My idea for a weird rain anti meta team mainly revolving around having vivilion set tail wind for team then proceeding to sleep while metagross sweeps with the idea for toed to be bulky disrupting support do we think this could work
help their shi
help with this one
"The steel special move" 
This for sure could work I'd probably go for a anti trickroom/trickroom sini just to turn it off if you can't one shot opposing farig. This seems like it could work. My big gripe is this team seems like it gets dismantled by like trickroom kingambit or Gengar (not even perish), basically any dark or ghost type. You also don't have a good way to deal with opposing Arch that can hit 3 Mon with electro shot for super effective. You will also probably struggle with garchomp because it would out speed meta and hit with super effective eq on 3 Mon again.
Yeah I get what you mean I think my main core for this team that I think alllows the possibility for it to function is toed metagross and viv are the main 3 I want to keep the others I’m very open to subbing out do you have any suggestions?
I think sneasler could fit well to counter arch and king
Lemme seeeeeeee, because arch is for sure a good choice
But still them leaves a big weakness to chomp but would tailwind ice punch meta be a answer to this?
Hear me out as what may be a crazy shout but string shot on viv
Never mind just infinitely worst that tailwind
Yes, did some research, if it's not scarf chomp or jolly, and is rather Adamant. You can put 25 speed into Metagross and out speed chomp (tail wind is preferred still)
Now the only issue is they will likely have prankster tailwind
Yeah I mean my logic for a average lead is metagross viv prot metagross tailwind Viv gets down to sash then start trying to snowball with sleep
Feel like a lot of ppl expect scarf Viv sleep so more likely to prot turn one also allowing for free tailwind
Like this team is just designed to subvert expectations on ladder if ygm
Like main things on lead I’m finding rn are zard swamp or flo and this turn one matches decent into all 3 imo
Just working out what to bring in back for coverage
So imo the mons id use outside of the core are
Tsareena, archaludon, incineroar
Tsareena would be a good helping hand Mon that also gets triple axle and power whip which nukes garchomp and mega Swampert. She also shuts down prio moves like fake out or sucker punch.
Incineroar for sure is gonna be mostly pivot rotating fake out, parting shot, intimidate since it can't use flare Blitz effectively.
Finally arch is just too good. It walls entire teams
Tbf I was just thinking tsarena she seems very good rn and swamp and chomp probs my biggest weaknesses rn
My only concern is oposing arch
And this is where only having 4 moves sucks for metagross cause really you can only cover for like 2/3-4 of the things you need to
I’m leaning towards fangs iron head and rock slide but just means arch hard walls
32 Atk Tsareena Triple Axel (120 BP) (3 hits) vs. 32 HP / 32 Def Garchomp: 220-264 (102.3 - 122.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Garchomp physically cannot survive this lil fucker
She WILL be used
So poli tsarena Viv and meta are my main 4
32 Atk Tsareena Power Whip vs. 32 HP / 32 Def Swampert-Mega: 292-348 (141 - 168.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Same with swampert
what do we think for countering opposing arch tho
Actually can psychic fangs 1 shot zard y?
I know he isn’t crazy bulky
Lemme see
Cause then could ditch rock slide and opt for stomping
I wouldn't count on it
32+ Atk Tough Claws Metagross-Mega Psychic Fangs vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Charizard-Mega-Y: 138-163 (90.1 - 106.5%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
But if you helping hands it will
Damn that’s annoying
So I’m thinking maybe sneasler instead of incin?
Cause my concerns are gambit and arch now
32+ SpA Glimmora Helping Hand Earth Power vs. 32 HP / 32 SpD Archaludon: 174-206 (88.3 - 104.5%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
Here's a funny pick
Lowkey
That’s a fucking shout
Also helps with the fairy matchup
Does glimpra have abilty other than debris?
It does
Corrosion
Cause only concern would be potentially proccing toxic instead of spikes
Does earth power 1 shot gambit also?
Lemme see
32+ SpA Glimmora Earth Power vs. 32 HP / 0 SpD Kingambit: 130-154 (62.8 - 74.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
No lol
Lemme see something
Ah damn
Thing is is that I’m thinking is that sneasler may be better the better choice as I belive it can one shot arch king and ttar while also providing fake out support and dire claw
Lemme see
32 Atk Sneasler Close Combat vs. 32 HP / 0 Def Archaludon: 168-198 (85.2 - 100.5%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
32 Atk Sneasler Close Combat vs. 32 HP / 0 Def Chople Berry Kingambit: 176-210 (85 - 101.4%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
Damn this guys a bum
What we think of stomping tantrum meta gross potentially
Id just put garchomp for the last spot at that point
True
It may be glimmroa time
Cause call me crazy but with life orb hh it would one shot both potentially?
Lemme run the numbers
32+ SpA Life Orb Glimmora Earth Power vs. 32 HP / 1 SpD Kingambit: 166-198 (80.1 - 95.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
So now hear me out
Rock slide would then kill it
Hmmmmmmm
This may be cooking
With triple axel I don’t need ice punch
32+ SpA Life Orb Glimmora Earth Power vs. 32 HP / 0 SpD Archaludon: 208-247 (105.5 - 125.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
With earth power I don’t need stomping tantrum
This leaves one move for metagross
It also eviscerates arch
So final team
Viv
Metagross
Politoed
Tsarena
Incin
Not incin
Glim
Arch
okay okay so this is the funniest part. Glim is 1 speed point faster than arch naturally
Are you fr?
Do I even need to invest speed on glim then or just put a very minimal ammount
Probably a small amount
Are we rocking bulky glimora??
Probably something like...lemme see.
Yo?
You have just stumbled upon the new meta
Fair enough
Any advice based off what we’ve been talking about?
Modest
20 HP
32 sp atk
12 sp def (lives flash cannon)
2 speed
Power gem /spike shield /sludge bomb / earth power
Astrid you my goat
Can i also have an advice for stat spread
Thats my Achilles heel in terms of team building, my small circuited brain just think everything should run min-max
Mine was rushed go nuts
Astrid your super good at this damage calc stuff is it worth me factoring in the possibility of it living a heatwave?
Like zard y drought cause 80 hp 110spd im thinking he may be able to then revenge rockslide?
I wish I was that good lol uhhhhh
Lemme see
I don't think there is a way to deal with that
Nah i checked without bombing him it’s not worth
Dw I’ll just be a meta demon
I'm interested to see what Hetera does
