Gengar vs Tyranitar Team Discussion
Summary
In Pokémon Champions | VGC Battles & Tournaments members debate using Gengar to punish Tyranitar, covering mega choices and whether to run both or build a sand team instead. The announcement evaluates which Tyranitar checks are removed and proposes a sand roster with Excadrill, Corviknight, Incineroar, Rotom-Wash, and Milotic to handle threats like Sneas, Kingambit, and Garchomp.
I think the concept of using gengar to punish ttar's answers seems solid, but I can't come up with a structure that actually works
im confident that some combination of these mons is the answer
What are the ttar checks you are removing
ohhhh i see what were thinking of here
okay my first question is are we running dual mega gengar and ttar
well the item is why i ask
if solo mega gengar with ttar on the team non mega its a different style of play than choosing one or the other consistently
its one of the mons that works as a mega but still has utility outside of it
if you are always mega ttar then gengar has no use here on the same team
better to just build sand
seeing as how the threats we would want to counter big 3 wise are sneas kingambit and chomp
i am failing to see how gengar counters without being mega and just using him as a lock to isolate threats away from ttar
cant do that without him being mega.
honestly i would just drop gengar entirely and build sand
then bring in counters to sneas chomp kingambit
so if you ask me, out of the mon list you gave, ttar excadrill corviknight incineroar rotom wash milotic would be your team
exca outspeeds and ko's a lot of the meta in sand, corviknight gives you ground immunity and resists grass and steel attacks so its a great pivot into sneas and kingambit while also setting tailwind incin for fake out intimidate parting shot pressure to combat phys attackers that threaten. rotom wash being a second ground immunity pivot and primary answer to water that threatens tyranitar while also being a full disrupt with a set like choice scarf will o wisp volt switch tbolt trick. and then milotic to punish and deter intimidate to counter your phys attackers and cover your ground and phys weakness again with scald
not to mention the neato trick of parting shot into your own milotic for boost pivot
" rotom wash being a second ground immunity pivot and primary answer to water"
I see the vision
I think gengar can work extremely well in the meta if used correctly
But what exactly is ttar removing
im just still not sure what it checks for ttar weaknesses is the issue
It only really wants incin and maybe sinistcha
I can't reply to kane but it's removing floette
especially if gengar is non mega
You are never bringing both
That's not the point
Point is you bring the one in the mu the other struggles
then the mon list doesnt work for both megas.
unfortunately
I do think it could work but you are on slot short on twind setter
out of the mons listed, it just makes more sense to drop gengar entirely
if you bring gengar, then ttar exca take up two slots that cant be brought with it most matches
Unless you wanna go hydreigon
that leaves exactly three mons that have to support mega gengar and still fit in sand
https://pokepast.es/a6d51eedefcc271e
I could potentially see this
With defensive twind hydreigon
I don't love triple dark
But you have Sini gengar
So it could? Work
you would be pretty much locked into m.gengar incin hyd sinistcha. which doesnt cover a ton. especially if you are only bringing gengar into matches ttar isnt suited for
That's what the hydreigon idea was for mainly
Plus levitate winf
And basc is scared in triple dark
But I doubt it works
You don't have enough slots to support both
👆
I like the double mode idea but idk it can function
not with that mon list imo
Hydreigon looks like a cool fit but still there seem to be weaknesses
I high-key fw with hydreigon gengar thoooo
That seems like a good idea
What are the gengar checks this meta
main one is anyone who can eq
after that, probably kingambit being second biggest check
and fish
behind those are psychic types.
yeah thats basically my answer sans milotic
i think its best with mons given
(dies to Milo)
hm
gengar tyranitar incineroar excadrill corviknight rotom wash would be my only team i think even stood a chance for dual mega
i am still just trying to answer the original question. if he wants dual mega
i think thats the six that stands the best chance
of the mons listed
its the best i can think of with what was listed
could always just put in kingambit over sinistcha
incin*
it is a pickle
if i wanted a team that did well with both
and dealt with fish
m. gengar, tyranitar, heliolisk, rotom wash, excadrill, incin
or no fake out at all go kingambit
but you lose fire typing and intimidate.
also too much phys
ok
heliolisk is a complete wall for basc
honestly he may be cooking with hydreigon. it resists both of bascs stab
m. gengar, m. ttar, heliolisk, hydregion, excadrill, wash.
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1200 Elo vs prankster mechanics
🤷 is working just fine
i always test on low ladder. thats where the unpredictability is
I have 0 clue what this thread is about. But I like ttar and I have always wanted to use ganger so am interested
he gave a mon list and asked for a team that runs dual.
honestly id just use the mon list to run sand but thats the best i can come up with while staying as close to the mon list as possible
The team actually looks fun
im trying to cook with sub optimal mons at almost 5 am on no sleep haha use at your own risk
now time for rocket league and then bed lmao
lol
I will stick to my team for now and see what is the change in season 2
Cannot bother changing again in 2 days
what i am doing
i havent touched ladder for a couple days now
no point
Icy wind is cool but I think perish is good. You have so much bulk. If you can get the opponent down to 2 mons, you basically win
I just play 1/2 matches for the vp
I mean ther are points
You can get VP, who knows if they change earnings next update
You can always climb even with old teams
i dont need more vp and a break is always good
At the end of the day it is a game. Unless you get paid heftily, it makes 0 sense to just play even if you do not feel like it. A break is better than just giving up the game
just tired haha
the solves the floette, scizor, scov, and meganium rain mus
the idea is to use the threat of gengar to stop them from bringing sneasler and gambit to every round
bc shadow tag wisp kind of just makes them fodder
What
No
Gambit will come every time
Gambit is not scared of gengar
it is when burned kowtow never kills
And...?
so gambit is effectively useless after the burn and it can't switch out
which is a massive advantage
for example, you could switch in garchomp for free, sd in their face, then just win outright
depending on the partner ofc
after they've been conditioned to not lead ttar answers you can start clicking rock slide
