Mega Scizor Snow Team Feedback
Summary
This announcement in the Pokémon Champions | VGC Battles & Tournaments server features a deep dive into a unique Snow-based team composition. The build centers on Mega Scizor as a sweeper supported by Alolan Ninetales, Mr. Rime, and Milotic. Community members discuss the viability of this strategy, focusing on defensive synergy under Aurora Veil and tactical counters to common VGC threats.
This is the VGC Pokemon Champions team that I'm working on. Looking for feedback. Thanks. 🙂
https://pokepast.es/0602343cd998f112
Ninetales-Alola @ Focus Sash
Ability: Snow Warning
Level: 50
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 HP / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Aurora Veil
- Blizzard
- Freeze-Dry
- Moonblast
Mr. Rime @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Ice Body
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 156 Def / 100 SpD
Bold Nature
- Fake Out
- Icy Wind
- Psychic
- Encore
Mamoswine @ Never-Melt Ice
Ability: Oblivious
Level: 50
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Icicle Crash
- High Horsepower
- Ice Shard
- Protect
Milotic @ Leftovers
Ability: Competitive
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 180 Def / 76 SpA
Bold Nature
- Scald
- Ice Beam
- Protect
- Icy Wind
Scizor-Mega @ Scizorite
Ability: Technician
Level: 50
EVs: 236 HP / 252 Atk / 20 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Bullet Punch
- U-turn
- Swords Dance
- Protect
Hydreigon @ Roseli Berry
Ability: Levitate
Level: 50
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Dark Pulse
- Flamethrower
- Protect
Holy fire weakness
Your mega is really confusing as well
Yeah, Milotic and Hydreigon are supposed to help with that
Venesaue
I guess I should explain what I'm thinking. My thinking with Mega Scizor is:
Scizor is super tanky in Aurora Veil
I can switch in after a good Mr. Rime Encore to set up with Swords Dance, and then sweep
Sweep how? With bullet punch?
Yep. Mega Scizor has 150 base attack. Swords Dance boosted Technician Boosted Bullet Punch is going to kill pretty much everything that doesn't resist it in one shot
Any fake out user will stop that
Yeah true, I have to time my protect correctly
Protect won't save it my guy
I mean, aside from fake out, there's not many priority moves right? Farigiraf/Tsareena is the other counter I can think of. There's Extreme Speed but it's going to tickle Scizor
I think Mega Scizor fits my team, I'm not sure what other mega you would use?
It's not that it doesn't fit
You just don't have it's support
And you don't have a solid answer for y zard sun
Your chosen mega has a glaring 4x weakness to fire
That's true
Your answers to fire are weak to the other most common mons in y zard teams
My Hydreigon can deal with Charizard Y, but otherwise yeah you're right
But can it stop other mons on the team?
My team can definitely deal with Venusaur, I have a lot of answers to that
What else do people run on zard teams?
Maybe I should go back to the drawing board to deal with Zar better
For starters, do you know how fast sun boosted chlorophyll venesaur is?
Nothing on my team outspeeds it, I'm hoping to kill it with priority ice shard
And that it runs sludge bomb and sleep powder
I just have Icy Wind on 2 Pokemon for speed control, it's not going to be enough to outspeed Venusaur in the Sun
Correct
Priority won't kill either
Prio moves are meant for dealing that bit of damage you need to either kill next turn in revenge or finish off a mon
I have to kill Venusaur with a combination of Ice Shard and Bullet Punch, or a well timed Icicle Crash might OHKO it, but it's harder to pull off
If I were playing you in sun
I would fake out and sleep powder the threat
Then finish with sludge bomb
Your entire team is weak to y zard
I think my weakness is Mega Scizor, it doesn't add anything to my team, it doesn't even cover for my fire weakness
So it becomes a weather control game to have a chance
Mr rime is good but not your best option either
I would swap for clefable
If Scizor is the mega you want to build around snow isn't your friend
I chose Mr. Rime for 3 reasons
1. It's super bulky in the snow with Ice Body
2. Encore can mess up a lot of pokemon, especially Whimsicott
3. need Icy Wind for speed control, since I'm not running TR or TW
Does it make sense?
Yeah I'm going to change Mega Scizor for another Mega first
I need something that counters Sun
- Clefable is super bulky in itself and has the same fake out and follow me to keep your mega alive or get aurora veil off safely
- Clefable also has encore
- Milotic has icy wind
Follow Me is not going to help me much against Charizard's Heat Wave though, and I think I need more than one pokemon with speec control, not just Milotic
Maybe something with Wide Guard?
Correct so you need an answer to y zard that is fast enough to ohko it and has access to a hard hitting ground move and doesn't falter in an ice team
I was gonna say Mega Emboar, it resist fire and can OHKO Charizard Y with Head Smash, but sadly it's weak to flyping
Maybe a certain Mon that also has access to tailwind
Mega Emboar also ignores chlorophyll with its mold breaker, I think?
And also has a mega 😉
tell me who is the mistery pokemon lol
Aerodactyl
Ooooh, good one
Ok I'm trying that
Clefable Aerodactyl combo hard counters y zard with rock slide
It's also faster in tailwind
but how does clefable counter charizard y?
charizard y isn't even dragon type
Fake out
True but Mr. Rime also has that
Mr rime is weak to fire
Clefable is not
True
And also if I run Tailwind on Mega Aerodactyl, having 2 Icy Winds isn't necessary anymore
Correct
On Mega Dactyl, I can use Rockslide, Tailwind, Taunt, Protect?
Follow me flamethrower from hydregion also should remove the threat from venesaur
What about Fake Out Flamethrower?
even better, no?
If you have it available in time
But I would think venesaur would be a switch if clefable was already out follow me denies it attacking anyone but clefable
And gives you a chance to get hydregion in safely
I would run follow me, moon blast fake out protect on clefable
Losing encore kinda stinks though
Double check if clefable gets fake out as well
I feel like Ive seen it
If not, it isn't needed completely
You can then give it say, helping hand
It does have Encore but not Fake Out
According to pikalytics
Or encore instead
Yes
Any of those would work in place of fake out
Try those out and see how it feels then ping me and let me know how it goes
If you run into any other trouble, make a note of it here so we can work around the issues
yeah I'll let you know
If you decide taunt isn't needed you could try stealth rock as well
On aero
I'll try Clefable with Moonblast, Follow Me, Encore, Protect
Sounds good
Interestingly though, Mr. Rime learns Thunderbolt, while Clefable only learns Thuner
What would you need that for lmao
to kill Charizard Y
You have rock slide
it's weak to water, electric, rock
And scald
true but that's it, I have rock slide, and scald which is not that good since burning a special attacker is useless
We aren't concerned with the burn on y zard
yeah, just killing him ofc
And if you ran thunder you would lose a move
True, but I just realized that if I run Tail Wind, I can replace Icy Wind on Rime with Thunderbolt, Thunderbolt + Psychic is good neutral coverage and hits Zard Y hard
It's better offensively, but weaker defensively, I think
compared to Clefable
Does Mega Dactyl Rockslide OHKO Zard Y? This is what I need to know
You could change rock slide to stone edge and garuntee ohko on y zard
True but Rock Slide might OHKO anyway since it's 4x weak to it
Correct
But you lose follow me
Which makes it harder to do
The only question is, does Mr. Rime in the snow with aurora veil still die instantly to Heat Wave?
actually it's not the only question lol
with tailwind, am I gonna be faster than zard?
I don't like Follow Me because I noticed that most Zard are spamming Heat Wave, Follow me would only save me against Venusaur
Interestingly Mr. Rime has more weaknesses, but the only weakness that matters is Fire, all its other weaknesses are irrelevant against Zard teams
I'm still on the fence on which pokemon is better, Mr. Rime or Clefable
You can always try them both and see which feels better
If I'm not playing a snow team, then yeah it's clefable, no brainer here
but Ice Body Mr. Rime in the snow might have more longevity than Clefable, even with the 2x fire weakness, but I'm not sure
I just wouldn't bother with thunderbolt
Clefable is probably more reliable since it's still going to be good if I lose the weather war, while Mr. Rime becomes frail
Yeah I agree with that
Icy Wind is better, it allows me to lead with Mr. Rime, and Rock Slide probably OHKOs zard anyway
Icy wind isn't needed
so what else to run then?
I already have Freeze Dry on Ninetales, so I won't run that twice
Psychic already has good neutral coverage
You are already running icy wind on milotic
yeah true
I would leave it there
And use it to gain advantage against opposing tailwind
But I need a fourth move, I have Fake Out, Psychic, Encore
Maybe After You to hit harder with Ninetales?
Thunderbolt is the only good move I can see in the list
Or Maybe Thunder to surprise right teams, since Freeze Dry won't be enough to OHKO some bulky water pokemon like milotic
No one on ladder will expect the Thunder Mr. Rime
I'll try both Clefable and Rime and I'll report my findings later
You could also just use screen
Gain more defenses against your weaknesses
Yeah I thought about that but I can't find it in its movepool on pokebase
Oh but it does learn Safeguard
don't think that's really useful though
Oh wait I'm dumb, it learns Light Screen
true, Light Screen is pretty darn good against Zard Y
But Light Screen without Light Clay feels bad
I'll try Light Screen anyway, Aurora Veil + Light Screen feels super strong
Sure but it would be paired with aurora veil
Mhm
Yep exactly
Now you're cooking
Alr give it a try and let me know what is kicking your ass the worst
With Focus Sash on Ninetales and a super bulky Mr. Rime in the snow, I'm basically almost guaranteed to set up Light Screen + Aurora Veil turn 1. Then I can switch basically anything on my team and live 1 hit, then set up tailwind on dactyl against zard teams
Yep now finally I'm cooking something decent lol
Thanks for all the help, wouldn't have gotten there without you
https://pokepast.es/9e5726d98d778d66 the team new
Mega Aerodactyl Snow Team
do you think I can change Icy Wind on Milotic?
Or it's still useful?
Nothing's going to outspeed Tailwind Mega Dactyl I think
I could change Icy Wind with Recover
But then I become extremely reliant on my Dactyl pulling off Tailwind, so Idk
Keep it for when both teams use tailwind
