Mega Scrafty Trick Room Team Building Help | Pokémon VGC
Summary
In the Pokémon Champions | VGC Battles & Tournaments server, a community member is seeking advice to refine a unique Mega Scrafty and Mega Delphox Trick Room team. The discussion focuses on replacing Golisopod with Araquanid and exploring potential counters for common threats like Charizard. This thread highlights the collaborative spirit of the server, where trainers share creative solutions to overcome competitive team-building hurdles.
Hello me again with another team that I like, it's Mega Scrafty trick room team with Mega Delphox Ape balance mode that I had success with but hit a brick wall with it, the idea of this team is replacing Golisopod until it comes with Araquanid that I made with and I wanted to see if maybe someone could identify the flaws in it. As always open to very creative solutions to any problem
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sitrus would probably be more useful since you're not running a bulk up set
also probably want a direct fairy counter
Actually the duo of M Scrafty Ape won some games on their own
And I have a lot of fun using it
i think kingambit fits more, gives another trick room mon and araqanid doesn't seem to provide much besides wide guard
Don't like using it honestly tried it didn't like it dropped it
what about glimmora
gives a direct charizard counter as well
Used both Mega and base instead of Delphox and was fun but Delphox just fitted best
i was thinking glim over araquanid
It's the team that was made to make araquanid work as I wanted the replacement for Golisopod
And it was closest to it
No
no way in hell they give it buddle
bubble
If they give it bubble hallelujah
The leaks say Though Claws
Flash fire
less realistic than giving heatran earth eater
Do you maybe think that some other Pokémon can replicate Golisopod better than araquanid
Really
How so
85% I saw were right
tough claws at least makes sense
we're getting off topic
I'm all for having both megas still be on the team they feel great Ape and Maus pull the weight as well as Mimikyu
But araquanid doesn't do it as much
Yup I know i will probably bring back Incin when Golisopod comes
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This is one of the teams that I was using on Showdown before Champions came out
what exactly is delphox role her, because ape with coaching is obviously for scrafty but having them both out when floette and sylveon exist is just inviting trouble
i guess yeah delphox is here to resist those fairy types but what else
I don't think that it is coming out this next season
It's role is just glass cannon to just roll through and deal as much damage off rip to let others clean up
Really?
I thought it's one more month
oke so why Delphox specifically
what match up does it cover
Delphox specifically is because of steel types and having levitate and me having more knowledge playing it
But you have 2 fighting types
Until now the scrafty araq handle it fairly decent
Archaludon rain isn't weak to Delphox since you don't have counter weather
and kingambit is no problem thanks to scrafty
The most common way of me dealing with it was super fanging their carries and than one of the fighting types cleaning it up and using trickroom with mimikyu
i feel like frosslass would be more useful as a glass Cannon attacker
Plus aurora vail energize with the draining punch set
Ain't the first time I did it
If I'm being honest
I'd like to play with my teams and experiment and not use meta mons as much as possible
Just personal preference
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If I'm being honest I'm down to make a new team that has Golisopod in mind as it's mega so it can slot in when it comes out
Yes I know
nice
I just thought about using one trickroom mega and one faster mega that can just fix each others weaknesses and have supports around them being my favorites
As I'd much rather win with my favorites than anything
Using your favorites it's fine
but you can't avoid the meta forever the weaker they are
Your support needs to carry alot of weight
unfortunately my favorite is qwilfish
Yes I know but I think I can make it work with two of them at least
I don't like overqwil even before the minimize bullshit
As my top three are Golisopod, mimikyu and Aegislash
And I had success on the Showdown ladder with all three
Mimikyu and Aegislash are niche off meta picks after the nerfs
Golisopod really needs a revolver team to work
Could you expand on that
I don't understand
which part
Revolver one
The idea I had for the future team is Golisopod Mimikyu Sneasler as core
Golisopod has a niche to get free switch ins for strong weather setters like Groudon or Kyogre back during Sword and shield
Basically dealing decent damage with first impression and breaking focus sash, taking a hit for half it's HP and switching out for free to either of the gen 3 weather duo and always have the weather you want on the field
it was a hard to use but also somewhat hard to counter support mon
With its mega I think it will become hard to get rid of trickroom Mon that can hit as hard
instead of slow switching with a weaker pivot move like u turn you can threaten a higher damage move coming in
or you hit it dropping it to below half and getting a free switch in for a weather setter
basically making a lose lose situation and you gotta really decide which one makes you lose less
Yup I get it
if it does get touch claws bulky leech life sets would be pretty scary
Leech life is boosted by it?
i mean yeah
it's contact
Forgot about that honestly
104 base power healing move
Do you think that the 4 of Golisopod Mimikyu Sneasler Incineroar can work with Rotom-maw as the 5th?
and golisopod has 75 175 120 bulk
that's really bulky
mega golisopod
Yes
How do you think it works in vacuum
Sneasler doesn't really provide much beyond just being a good mon
I was thinking about it as the steel type breaker
Primarily arch
Assuming touch claws
it's just better mega Scizor
40 speed not the best since torcoal outspeeds in trick room but it still works really well in trick room
If we are to assume than that it is just better Scizor and wanted to make a team rn that can replicate it, I suppose it wouldn't be trick room
Basically one shots Farig with leech life
What if it paired with wide guard user?
No fairy types is surviving touch claws boosted iron head
Walls out mega mawile besides the sucker punch
so probably want your own farig as a trick room setter
How worse is mimikyu compared to it as trick room setter
probably pelipper is the best option
since rain also boosts liquidation on top of touch claws
and shutting off weather ball
I don't really like toilet bird would politoed work as well?
As a trick room setter mimikyu rn mimikyu is like the 5th best option
Farig is obviously number 1
Sinischa 2 because also provides healing and redirection
Oranguru 3 because of instruct
i would say Hatterene is 4th because of magic bounce and she deals aton of damage
mimikyu 5th because it just kinda does nothing special
Back when disguise didn't take a portion of HP it was more reliable because you can survive double ups
but now it's more predictable because focus sash is useless on mimikyu
it does have the advantage of being immune to none scrappy fake out
But it is still really hard mon to stop as it can tank one for sure and if you fake out their other Mon it can do it easily
Yeah like i said 5th best option
but it's low HP and inability to use focus sash makes it so you have to build around it rather than using it to cover and patch up weaknesses
it's not bad
there's just way better options that also stay useful after trick room is set up
I want you to tell me the team that Golisopod would best function in
Mimikyu drops in usefulness after trick room is set up because it's too fast too frail and doesn't hit hard
can't be 100% because while touch claws is a big possibility
we won't know until it's officially released
But for now i think
Golisopod
Pelipper
farig
Milotic
Archaludon
Grimsnarl/incineroar
I was thinking about it like this
This is just an on the spot Brainstorming
not really refined
Golisopod
Politoed
M Dnite
Incineroar
Rotom-maw
Mimikyu
Is the team that I would run honestly
As it's both my favorites and stronger mons
Politoed doesn't provide as much as pelipper
Honestly just don't like using the Bird
I mean fair but you rather have something that provides more utility
Sableye would be more useful
You can set weather up Infront of mega evolution and switch ins
fake out pressure
encore
even quash
or double screens
Sableye with rain dance fake out encore quash
the problem in this team is you have 2 support mons that only really provide 1 form of support and not much else
Politoed i would run with encore weather ball helping hand
And mimikyu was trick room shadow sneak will o wisp and play rough
helping hand isn't as useful on mons without spread moves
it's fine but not the best form of support for golisopod
and it can leave some tricky positioning problems
I still think that incin rotom and Sneasler can absolutely work with it
Hmm
They can
sneasler can actually provide support with fake out pressure and even coaching
Plus somewhat of an intimidate repellent because incin doesn't want to lead off against a sneasler because it gets out fake out and threatens incin with CC
Incin is great for helping with positioning and slowing the game down
Rotom can burn threaten Charizard with Thunderbolt
Incin makes golisopod already massive defense even better
I was looking at Rotom-maw actually
fake out support
parting shot support
Wait so how is the team looking?
It's Golisopod Incineroar Sneasler Rotom-maw
Ah ok
Still need trickroom setter and another mega that can patch up hard match ups
rotom wash probably better to cover the fire weakness of mega golisopod
Was looking at using annihilape with golisopod earlier cuz defiant stops intimidate and you can coaching golisopod
Sneasler kinda does that too tho
Honestly leaning towards Sneasler more than ape
If you need a tr setter then your best bets are either farig or if you are ok replacing rotom maw sinistcha
Sinistcha has rly nice synergy with emergency exit allowing you to heal midway through a turn whereas farig is much better at getting tr up consistantly
Honestly I was looking at Rotom-maw specifically because of rain and Swampert that otherwise I'd have harder time getting rid off
I think that it won't have emergency exit for mega ability and I'd always be looking to mega it as fast as possible
So getting trickroom up is priority
Sinischa threatens swampert with matcha gotcha and even if not a OHKO the burn chance
Some good role compression
Yes I know but I either am very bad at using it or it doesn't work with me that well
And had more success with Rotom-maw
what about trevenant
Ally switch
trick room
Harvest
Horn leech to add to the longevity against swampert
That sounds interesting actually
No like in its base form
You can use it in its base form alongside the other mega for certain matchups
But what would the other mega even be
If I'm using Golisopod Sneasler Incineroar let's say Trevenant as it sounds fun i think Rotom-Wash would be great to help more
It's 100% bias of me wanting to use that 4 if I'm being honest
Not using another mega in the yard dominated format is a bit insane
I 1000% want to use another mega
Well then I think you can run reg golisopod too
So using rotom wash doesn't make sense
But than the only time I would use base golisopod is when I need other mega to mega evolve but I don't think that Golisopod has that many horrible match-up except yard
Maybe mttar?
Sets up sand can be brought even if not mega evolving
Threatens yard
And pyrawr and delphox
Well I was thinking abt something like mega dnite + rain but I am rly biased
Ttar makes sense
Same as me
I'm biased
I want to fit in Rotom
Next to others
I mean I've missed way to many hydropumps to still like it but ye
As Golisopod will run liquidation Rotom won't get as many chances to miss
Ok
But it still provides so much
What movepool will you use in golisopod?
Wide gaurd?
Sucker punch?
Depends on if it's tough claws than as arotom suggested leach life becomes great move with self heal
Liquidation
To be useful even out of mega
Sucker punch for if somehow it gets out of trickroom
And one flex slot probably
Ok ig
Depends really
So what do you think
Well I'm still kinda confused abt what the team exactly is
I do think rotom grass is fine but incin is better than heat here and wash conflicts with golisopod
Sneasler Incineroar Golisopod Trevenant and trying to find place for Rotom
Well you could replace trevenant with rotom mow and have farig
Does doubling on grass mons that bad
Ye
Water or fire is fine but grass aint in the best shape rn
Hmmmm
Trevenant sounds like a fun pick that's why I want to try it
Well the only other rotom forms are reg rotom, rotom ice and rotom fan
Rotom fan is rly stupid
And rotom reg is too weak
So ig rotom ice???
But blizzard needs the snow
Frosslass
Using frosslass and golisopod??
The two ain't gonna ever touch
No but yard
The lizzard will bully you
That's why rotom is there
We bully him before he gets the chance
Rotom ice is gonna bully yard??
Yup
Trust the process
You aint gonna ko with thunderbolt, frosslass's weather gets overiden cuz its slower and if they have either aerodactyl or god forbid whimsicott they are just gonna kill 2 ice mons with one heatwave
Than we strategize again
Strategize what?
The last two
You gonna let frosslass and rotom die then try to win a 4v2 against yard?
No no
We strategize now on the team
Oh ok
Well the megas that beat yard are few
Dnite, delphox, ttar
Aero too but that feels a bit odd on this team
Ah the fable three
Glimmora too
Ye
And yard ig
But like yard only kinda brats yard
So that five are the only ones
I mean there is xard but prob won't work out well
Doesn't have much help for it
And gyrados but that dies to like 2 solar beams
Ye
I mean I would really like to make Rotom work but if there is no chance I'll pivot
You'd have to get rid of one of the fire water grass mons idealy
I am wondering why trevenant tho, cuz sinistcha does kinda seem like a better version of it
Trevenant because of my non existent compatibility with sinistcha
Yup but how when one is my mega other is main pivot and other is trick room setter
No like what does trevenant offer that sinistcha doesn't
If you can't use sinistcha and trevenant is just worse sinistcha then you can't use trevenant
Use hatt over sini
Actually ye you could use hard tr, didn't think abt it
Swapping places was the main selling point
If you need something to do tr and also have too many grass
Te that's right
If I run Hatterene we can slot in Rotom-maw in
But ally switch is just a gimmikier rage powder
Yea you right
But like farig is just more consistant tr than hatterene
But it's weak to taunt
And how many people actually run that?
Also you have incin
You can fake em out
Wouldn't farig roar just stop that absolutely
Who uses roar farig
I do but thats besides the point
I used as well
Hatterene is more fragile, and aint immune to fake out
Its not more consistant than farig
All roads lead to farig
There are very very very few ways to stop incin + farig lead
Unless you have farig
Would taunting their farig work
And if you lead farig they know that you have something againdt their farig so they will play as such
Why are you taunting the opposing farig?
Are u using taunt incin???
Was thinking about it
Well ye but thats not the point
The point is that hatterene is a secondary tr setter not a primary one
Yup heard
Than farig it is
So Golisopod Incineroar Sneasler Farigiraf
Rotom-maw can fit in now
For rain match up
And one mega that can help them
Well if we are going hard tr then drampa
And you could replace sneasler then
Oh wait we aint
Then dnite
Only for sun match-up i guess
As Golisopod is great into everything except sun
And delphox and pyroar
Pyroar is played into sun no?
Delphox in StarFox or blastoiseFox
Somethimes but it can function outside of it
But most wouldn't do it I think
Staraptor also beats golisopod cuz you can't rly hit it for enough damage
While it sets up
Ye they like being in the sun fr the most part
StarFox does seem like a worst match up
Ye but dnite beats delphox and staraptor too if you play well
It doesn't take much from even +2 cc but it can struggle with damage if you are too slow
Even with no rain?
Ye
What set would it even use for that
My set
Dragon pulse heatwave tailwind protect
I don't even consider rain cuz I do not like weather much, only use ninetales occasionally cuz of garch
Yea the set I'd use as well
For garchomp we go intimidate cycling
No dragon pulse ohkos it
So you just need to have multiscale up or have speed control
Really
Ye
Would electro web work
Garchomp is immune to electric
Why am i always forgetting that fucking part
Na I'm just stupid mb
And how does StarFox match up work
Well obv dnite beats delphox
It does like 50% to most and then kills them in 2 hits while being difficult to get rid off
With staraptor its less clear cut since you can tank the hits very well but will struggle dsmage wise as it stacks up
So you need the assistance of the other mons
Will have Rotom-Wash with it for both
Ye
Wait what
I thought we were using rotom mow
Ah ye
Forgor
So it's Golisopod Incineroar Sneasler Farigiraf Rotom-maw Dragonite
Sure ig
What doesn't fit there
