Optimizing Mega Scizor & Charizard X for VGC | Pokémon Champ
Summary
The Pokémon Champions | VGC Battles & Tournaments community is analyzing a high-level team featuring Mega Scizor and Mega Charizard X. This discussion focuses on refining sets for the current meta, specifically addressing challenges against bulky water types and specific threats like Staraptor. Members are actively debating item choices, such as Scarf versus Sash, to improve team consistency and positioning in competitive play.
Ninetales-Alola @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Snow Warning
Timid Nature
- Icy Wind
- Blizzard
- Freeze-Dry
- Encore
Incineroar @ Passho Berry
Ability: Intimidate
Careful Nature
- Flare Blitz
- Darkest Lariat
- Parting Shot
- Fake Out
Milotic @ Leftovers
Ability: Competitive
Calm Nature
- Muddy Water
- Recover
- Coil
- Hypnosis
Sneasler @ White Herb
Ability: Unburden
Adamant Nature
- Fake Out
- Dire Claw
- Coaching
- Close Combat
Charizard @ Charizardite X
Ability: Blaze
Adamant Nature
- Protect
- Dragon Dance
- Dragon Claw
- Flare Blitz
Scizor @ Scizorite
Ability: Technician
Adamant Nature
- Protect
- Bullet Punch
- Bug Bite
- Swords Dance
this is a team from naic so any suggestions on how to improve it for the current meta would be welcome
https://www.vrpastes.com/e3BSN8ny
im unsure whether the scarf is necessary on the ninetails tbh
and also im gonna change the sneasler set to sash poison jab/poison touch
this is from that person's team sheet
so no we dont know evs
with the sneasler
not particularly i just think that set is more consistent
i might keep it if it outspeeds swampert in the rain
scarf locks me out of aurora veil tho
i meant mega
in the rain
might keep it then
tho ninetails does set snow
it just needs better positioning without the scarf
might try running lorb incin
Sitrus incin & sash sneasler
after some testing i think the team does pretty well into zard y teams but struggles against staraptor and delphox/blastoise
thoughts on how i can improve my match ups?
What Mon do you use the least?
pretty much every mon is doing its fair share
if i had to pick one it would be scizor tho
its amazing into sand and snow teams but i havent gone up against many of them
im also having issue with bulky water types like opposing milotics and rotoms
ninetails is really strong because its really good into garchomp and aurora veil is very strong but freeze dry just doesnt have enough firepower
also,
lack of ground coverage hurts
the only mon that can hit arch for super effective rn is sneasler
What if u add mega Raichu y? It help with raptor, water matchup & arch
But I think if u add Raichu y u need to adjust your other Mon a bit
how so
id be glad to drop freeze dry for encore
U have both alr right?
i dropped encore for protect
Wait. Is this still the one ur using now?
It still have scarf?
no thats the original team sheet from naic
i made some adjustments to it
gimme a sec
Which one ur using now? Can u send it
Charizard-Mega-X @ Charizardite X
Ability: Tough Claws
Level: 50
EVs: 2 HP / 32 Atk / 32 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Flare Blitz
- Dragon Claw
- Dragon Dance
- Protect
Sneasler @ White Herb
Ability: Unburden
Level: 50
EVs: 32 HP / 16 Atk / 18 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Dire Claw
- Fake Out
- Coaching
- Close Combat
Milotic @ Leftovers
Ability: Competitive
Level: 50
EVs: 32 HP / 27 Def / 7 SpD
Calm Nature
- Muddy Water
- Recover
- Coil
- Hypnosis
Scizor-Mega @ Scizorite
Ability: Technician
Level: 50
EVs: 32 HP / 32 Atk / 2 SpD
Brave Nature
- Bullet Punch
- Bug Bite
- Swords Dance
- Protect
Ninetales-Alola @ Focus Sash
Ability: Snow Warning
Level: 50
EVs: 2 HP / 32 SpA / 32 Spe
Timid Nature
- Aurora Veil
- Freeze-Dry
- Blizzard
- Protect
Incineroar @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
EVs: 32 HP / 17 Def / 17 SpD
Careful Nature
- Flare Blitz
- Fake Out
- Throat Chop
- Parting Shot
i would also like to run some bulk on xard but im not sure what common threats i should ev for
Hmmm... Is your sneasler can survive like 2 or more turn without sash?
Oh 32 HP wow
yeah he can
lol
maybe chomp lorb rock slide could be a nice bulk benchmark for the zard
What about lorb dragon claw chomp
I think that hit harder than rock slide
If u run scarf Ninetales, chomp will not be a problem
ninetails already outspeeds non scarf jolly chomp
possibly, most people predict zard y however and click rock slide
with scarfchomp falling in usage i think i will be fine
Rs can't kill alr
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But they have tw and u don't have 😁
If u predict it u can protect zard and atk with Ninetales tho
does more damage than id like
borderline in range of priority
anyways how do i improve the team
I think I'll add Raichu y & sini instead of incin and Scizor. If u want intimidate, fakeout+coaching Mon. U can swap sneasler to scrafty 🤔
base?
can scrafty handle any bad match ups for xard
Base scrafty just for support.
Intimidate, fakeout, coaching
Knock off/drain punch for taking move
would that imply dropping coaching on sneasler
Scrafty have coaching
and most importantly
what do i do against fairies
I think flare blitz +1 from zard ohko floette? 🤔
And Dr zard will be faster without tw. With tw u fakeout him b4 atk
🤔
Not so reliable tho
scizor is also amazing into aero
im gonna try out scarfty tho
do i run the mega stone just in case or do i use another item
Use other item. 3 megas is not optimal imo, except u can bring all I'm with the remaining 3 mon
And the scrafty set will be supporting scrafty so. It won't be good with mega 🤔
i thought i was dropping scizor for scrafty?
Oh.... I put scrafty there to replace sneasler if u want intimidate after dropping incin
oh wait i reread it
dropping some ground weaknesses also sounds nice
what speed tier does delphox usually sit at?
i want to have my raichu outspeed it
Oh wait
I forgot scrafty speed is bad. It won't work then.
Coz u want coaching first b4 your zard move
i mean
coaching protect is an option
a bit commital tho
171
erm
Oh I don't know that
how many speed evs on my raichu does that translate to
i suppose i would need to run timid raichu
Max speed Raichu y is 178
Timid can't be higher than 171
does delphox usually run modest or timid
Eh
Timid
Ok2. Timid can be 178
Phox usually want max speed I believe
really?
i thought they would invest some bulk to live sucker punch
Sini is there to redirect sucker punch
so how do i kill delphox
xard quad resists fire but goes down to psychic damage quite quickly
Raichu y will have a hard time against phox imo. Like if they pair it with sini, u have no good option to kill sini fast
perhaps a dragapult?
i could run a support dragapult with light screen in place of ninetails but that gives up weather control
U'll have a hard time against garchomp
dragapult outspeeds
and also gets will o wisp
i could run like will o wisp light screen set
oh my god this thing has horrible stab options💔
😁 dragapult out speed anything but his dmg is not so good
im tempted to add scarf hydreigon again
that mon is just too good
but that would slowly morph into my other team
And with will o wisp, chomp will deal about 50% to your zard 😭
🤣
I run this Gyarados team. It similar to zard x
https://pokepast.es/4c97d77199337335
it really is just too good
earth power handles arch, scarf draco kills chomp and makes it immune to ground moves and is strong against delphox
Not optimize yet, still working on it
Test run it
for reference my other team is this
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oh wait basc is good into delphox
idk if i want another water type tho
to sum up:
i will definitely be adding encore to ninetails (if it ends up staying
dragapult, hydreigon, raichu y, scrafty and sinistcha are all up for testing
basc could be a decent physical nuke for fairies if i end up dropping scizor
U really like zard x do you haha
yeah
but i also think it has potential
it matches very well into yard
the problem is everything else
my favorite mon is actually scizor but running mega scizor in this metagame requires insane amounts of cope that even i cant provide
my god dragapult is buns
