Building a Weird Sun Team: VGC Strategy & Discussion

Summary

The Pokémon Champions | VGC Battles & Tournaments server is buzzing with a new, experimental Sun-based team build. This discussion explores a unique synergy between Charizard, Armarouge, and Venusaur, utilizing Trick Room and Psyspam mechanics. Community members are actively debating the viability of bulky Venusaur sets and Growth versus Sleep Powder, providing a great look at the creative side of competitive VGC team building.

warmbeacon-46 OP

hey i just made this weird team. im pretty sure its not good lmao, i want thoughts on the team.

https://pokepast.es/0ebf3df6766a29fb

Idea is basically Zardy with sun boosted Armarouge heat wave + Expanding force combo with mega gard and indeedee F. It has a trick room mode and Zardy likes trick room when there are faster mons like Yaichu or Zchomp. Psychic seed sneasler works well with psyspam so why not. Final addition was Venu cause it takes advantage of the sun with chlorophyll. I originally used a life orb venusaur set with earth power over sleep powder cause i hate inaccurate moves but i settled on bulky big root giga drain (im pretty sure this is a bad idea lmao) with sleep powder-simply because i find it interesting (doesn’t mean i think its good). If anyone has any suggestions, please do let me know.

warmbeacon-46 OP
warmbeacon-46 OP

Also considering vileplume because after you chlorophyll but idk

warmbeacon-46 OP

i didn’t know that

warmbeacon-46 OP

anyways whats ur thought on the team

warmbeacon-46 OP

im pretty sure its bad lol

warmbeacon-46 OP

Seriously considering growth on venu

warmbeacon-46 OP

Is two stage boost in the sun

warmbeacon-46 OP

And then start becoming annoying with big root giga drain

warmbeacon-46 OP

Was thinkin of a bulky venu set

warmbeacon-46 OP

Yeah i thought of that too

warmbeacon-46 OP

I originally had armar hold lorb

warmbeacon-46 OP

But like it dies pretty fast

warmbeacon-46 OP

So yeah maybe full bulk venu with growth to compensate and then i start spamming giga

warmbeacon-46 OP

Just an idea tho lol

warmbeacon-46 OP

I will drop sleep powder if im running growth cause i absolutely hate inaccuracy

warmbeacon-46 OP

Doesn’t mean its viable

warmbeacon-46 OP

I made this team just for fun honestly i dont think its good, like at all

warmbeacon-46 OP

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regmc-2694275809

warmbeacon-46 OP

Whats the team? Im curious

warmbeacon-46 OP

I see

sharpbadger-28

Yo

@sharpbadger-28 Yo
warmbeacon-46 OP

Yo

sharpbadger-28

https://klipy.com/gifs/whimsicott-smile

sharpbadger-28

Im back

sharpbadger-28

U really keep making teams

sharpbadger-28

But it looks good tho

applelizard-61

Whats cooking noah

applelizard-61

Did you burn the kitchen again

@applelizard-61 Did you burn the kitchen again
warmbeacon-46 OP

Uhh

warmbeacon-46 OP

Maybe lol

@sharpbadger-28 But it looks good tho
warmbeacon-46 OP

Thx

@warmbeacon-46 Uhh
applelizard-61

Lemme see it

@warmbeacon-46 https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regmc-2694275809
sharpbadger-28

Yeah def a solid team, tho that ofensive venue was kinda of unexpected

@applelizard-61 Lemme see it
warmbeacon-46 OP

Scroll above

@sharpbadger-28 Yeah def a solid team, tho that ofensive venue was kinda of unexpected
warmbeacon-46 OP

Growth over sleep powder btw

warmbeacon-46 OP

Sleep powder is a typo

sharpbadger-28

Yeah saw that

@warmbeacon-46 Sleep powder is a typo
sharpbadger-28

Is good but a liabilty if it misses

warmbeacon-46 OP

Yeh

applelizard-61

Interesting build I gotta say

warmbeacon-46 OP

A 2 am thought lol

applelizard-61

Also why gunk shot over dire claw\poison jab

@applelizard-61 Also why gunk shot over dire claw\poison jab
warmbeacon-46 OP

More damage

warmbeacon-46 OP

Some sneaslers are running gunk shots now

warmbeacon-46 OP

I understand its inaccurate

@warmbeacon-46 More damage
applelizard-61

Team relies on inacurate moves

applelizard-61

Ye ye I get the benefits

@applelizard-61 Team relies on inacurate moves
warmbeacon-46 OP

Only sneasler has an inaccurate move

warmbeacon-46 OP

Zardy too but ehh

warmbeacon-46 OP

And armar if we counting heat wave

applelizard-61

Ye you rights

applelizard-61

I am not seeing good wow

applelizard-61

I didnt mean the team bro

applelizard-61

I need glasses xD

warmbeacon-46 OP

ohhh

applelizard-61

Wait lemme get them

warmbeacon-46 OP

lol 😂

applelizard-61

Lemme not nerf myself

@warmbeacon-46 Some sneaslers are running gunk shots now
sharpbadger-28

But dire claw is good more presicese and can give status

sharpbadger-28

To the mon

warmbeacon-46 OP

Fair

applelizard-61

Is there any different Kos you pick up with gunk shot?

applelizard-61

That you cant with jab dire

@applelizard-61 Is there any different Kos you pick up with gunk shot?
warmbeacon-46 OP

Sylveon i think

warmbeacon-46 OP

Cause my sneas is a bit more bulky so like, less atk

warmbeacon-46 OP

Dire claw doesn’t get the ko

applelizard-61

What is the numerical difference

warmbeacon-46 OP

Idk 🥲

warmbeacon-46 OP

Haven’t had the time to calc yet

applelizard-61

Ohhh

warmbeacon-46 OP

I was gonna do dire claw but 2 am me saw gunk shot and went “eh why not”

applelizard-61

Because Sylv has a bit lower sided defence

applelizard-61

So it may not be that worth to run gunk

applelizard-61

Tho if the difference is death and life Im all for it xD

@applelizard-61 Because Sylv has a bit lower sided defence
warmbeacon-46 OP

Its common for sylveons to invest a little bit into defense

warmbeacon-46 OP

Dire claw doesn’t ohko

@warmbeacon-46 Its common for sylveons to invest a little bit into defense
applelizard-61

Yea I know

applelizard-61

Tho not sure how much they invest

@applelizard-61 Tho if the difference is death and life Im all for it xD
warmbeacon-46 OP

Im not sure if gunk shot ohkos

warmbeacon-46 OP

It should

applelizard-61

When we are on that topic I should really start calcing for my team

applelizard-61

But its sooo longggggg

@applelizard-61 But its sooo longggggg
warmbeacon-46 OP

I get lazy sometimes too

applelizard-61

Because I think I have to do almost everyone

applelizard-61

I think 3 are calced enough

applelizard-61

Or 2

applelizard-61

Depends tbh

warmbeacon-46 OP

Well good luck with those calcs then 😂

@warmbeacon-46 Well good luck with those calcs then 😂
applelizard-61

Gotta shower first and than I can get to ittt

applelizard-61

This is gonna be long af

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