Pokémon VGC Team Building: Is Baton Pass Viable?
Summary
The Pokémon Champions | VGC Battles & Tournaments community analyzes a complex team build featuring Blaziken, Garchomp, and Gardevoir. This discussion explores the viability of Baton Pass strategies, speed investment for Trick Room, and how to counter current meta threats like Staraptor and Blastoise. It serves as a valuable case study for trainers looking to optimize their competitive team compositions.
blaziken with baton pass is replaceable with any coverage move. my other plan is like i give gambit a middling speed investment so that i can actually benefit from baton pass but can also play inside trick room with like for example a hundred speed stat. garchomp will definitely benefit from speed aswell, i tested it a bit and it actually is good with vivillion for sleep powder support and this is like a cheap reiteration of swampert vivillion interaction. will it be any good? thanks!
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i also gave gardevoir bulk because it gets oneshotted easily by physical steel types
the issue is i dont know if i can actually benefit from encore, i want to solve this issue
I'll be honest with you, I think you cooked a bit too hard and this one came out burnt. I'm trying to think of a way to salvage the intent of the team without having to start over
Alright so I think one of the main issues is you're trying too many modes. You've got it set up as a mix between hyper offense and protect the king, but there just isn't the bulk here to protect the king and you're splitting your focus with having things like baton pass to lower the pressure that your sweeper can put out
This team can realistically be soloed by Staraptor if it wasn't for your Gardevoir. You have a lot of unintentional type overlap with the meta and it's gonna be hard to pull it out
I really can't think of any way to salvage it as is unfortunately. Blastoise and Staraptor are just too big in the meta right now to make this work
thanks!
No problem, sorry I couldn't be of more help here
I have almost the same team but i run zoroark
I reached top 15,000 tier 3 máster ball whit that team
I would have reached tier 2, but the game decides I don't have the right to have my rockslides hit
can i see? how did zoroark fit into this team bro?
same stats aswell? or nah?
Sorry, I fell asleep, but it's a pretty different core
Let me show you the team
sure sure
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The team's concept can be summarized as a super aggressive team that the opponent cannot ignore from turn 1
That's where Zoroark comes in, as it forces the opponent to double protect or try to predict which Pokémon is zoroark
So most of the time you can do nasty plot turn one
Since Zoroark can bait fake outs, you're in a good position most of the time
Whimsi has trickrom because in mirror matches, Whimsi VS Whimsi will almost always use Tailwind, making your entire team faster than the opponent
You can also disable trickrom in front of farigraf because they almost never expect a whimsi with trickrom
That's why my whimsi is super bulky, zero investment in speed, all in health and attack
The berry occa is for setting trickrom in front of zards and for the lead whimsi + zard
Blaziken's role is to threaten Delphox, since its ability makes it faster; a Pokémon with speed control is almost never used on Delphox teams
Expert Belt and Life Orb are equally viable, but it becomes excessively fragile due to recoil with Life Orb
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