VGC Team Building Help: Optimize Your Pokémon Strategy

Summary

In the Pokémon Champions | VGC Battles & Tournaments server, members collaborate to refine competitive teams by moving beyond standard meta counters. This discussion focuses on optimizing held items for Pokémon like Sinistcha and Blaziken, while providing critical feedback on speed spreads and damage calculations for Mamoswine. It highlights the community's active role in helping players improve their competitive viability through shared knowledge and strategic adjustments.

azurecanyon-33 OP

I have a lot of useful pokemon but i think i fall into the trap of meta counters meta 😭 just want some advice on improving my current team with some of my favs or pokemon in the box

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azurecanyon-33 OP

Sorry

merrykitten-85
ivoryunicorn-80

Bro say sorry

happykitten-50

LMAO

azurecanyon-33 OP

I didnt know if i was allowed to 😭

@azurecanyon-33 I didnt know if i was allowed to 😭
happykitten-50

nah you are

happykitten-50

Wahhhh just does it because the vast majority of people forget to haha

happykitten-50

for some reason

cleverinbox-49

There is a variation of my team rly similar to this

cleverinbox-49

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cleverinbox-49

Your items on sinistcha and blaziken are bad, a berry for sinistcha to resist one of its weaknesses and a sash or blazikenite on blaziken is prob better

happykitten-50

uhhh yeah that blaziken isn't doing anything

azurecanyon-33 OP

Or a ghost resisting or a dark resisting berry (forgot the names)

@azurecanyon-33 Or a ghost resisting or a dark resisting berry (forgot the names)
happykitten-50

both of those berries are good

happykitten-50

sitrus is good too

@happykitten-50 both of those berries are good
azurecanyon-33 OP

If i take sitrus off my rotom should i replace it with a resistance berry?

@azurecanyon-33 If i take sitrus off my rotom should i replace it with a resistance berry?
happykitten-50

fully up to you

happykitten-50

rotom is fine with lefties

@happykitten-50 fully up to you
azurecanyon-33 OP

Ayyyeee thank you

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ivoryunicorn-80

That mamo spread is horrible

ivoryunicorn-80

It doesn’t kill chomp with shard and it doesn’t outspeed any meta mons

ivoryunicorn-80

Like maybe it outspeeds inci

ivoryunicorn-80

https://klipy.com/gifs/dog-ears-1

@ivoryunicorn-80 It doesn’t kill chomp with shard and it doesn’t outspeed any meta mons
cleverinbox-49

I mean its what I have used since ma and it worked fine

@cleverinbox-49 I mean its what I have used since ma and it worked fine
ivoryunicorn-80

If u have tailwind use this
12 evs hp
32 evs attack
16 evs speed
Adamant nature

ivoryunicorn-80

And life orb

cleverinbox-49

Nah

cleverinbox-49

I like sash

cleverinbox-49

Mamo dies rly easily otherwise

ivoryunicorn-80

Well enjoy not killing chomp

cleverinbox-49

I kill it with icicle spear

@cleverinbox-49 I kill it with icicle spear
ivoryunicorn-80

Yeah and u will outspeed zard y his favorite partner

ivoryunicorn-80

Amor any special sweeper

ivoryunicorn-80

Have u looked mamo spd?

@ivoryunicorn-80 Yeah and u will outspeed zard y his favorite partner
cleverinbox-49

Whats wrong with outspeeding em if they are bulky?

cleverinbox-49

Seems like a positive to me

ivoryunicorn-80

?????

ivoryunicorn-80

Mamo can’t outspeed any of this mons without tw

cleverinbox-49

My mamo is 145 speed, which prob outspeeds some bulky yards

ivoryunicorn-80

Man U can’t be helping on teambuilding if u really aren’t really good at teambuilding

@cleverinbox-49 My mamo is 145 speed, which prob outspeeds some bulky yards
happykitten-50

that specifically just barely outspeeds non scarf basc soo

ivoryunicorn-80

https://klipy.com/gifs/swept-away-by-the-waves-brightbill

happykitten-50

but like

happykitten-50

you don't need to outspeed when you can just kill with ice shard

@happykitten-50 but like
ivoryunicorn-80

Acua jet and fast rock slide

@ivoryunicorn-80 Man U can’t be helping on teambuilding if u really aren’t really good at teambuilding
cleverinbox-49

I got top 300 in showdown ma who tf are you calling bad at teambuilding

cleverinbox-49

And mb

@cleverinbox-49 I got top 300 in showdown ma who tf are you calling bad at teambuilding
ivoryunicorn-80

With that team?!!!

happykitten-50

yeah I'm not saying fast mamo is good I'm saying there could be use cases

happykitten-50

BUT

cleverinbox-49

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happykitten-50

Let's chill out and not insult each other

happykitten-50

I'm going to sleep anyways lmao

happykitten-50

night

ivoryunicorn-80

Gn

azurecanyon-33 OP

Goodnight 🌙

cleverinbox-49

Gn

ivoryunicorn-80

https://klipy.com/gifs/goog-good-night

@ivoryunicorn-80 With that team?!!!
ivoryunicorn-80

@ivoryunicorn-80
cleverinbox-49

Its slightly different, had gard and corv I think but aside from that was mostly the same

ivoryunicorn-80

Without mamo?

cleverinbox-49

Ye

cleverinbox-49

It didn't have rotom or metagross

ivoryunicorn-80

Half of the team was differnt lmao

cleverinbox-49

I don't rly care to have this conversation, just makes me more annoyed the longer I continue. Was just annoyed you were calling me a bad teambuilding over no other reason aside from me using a mamoswine set that you dislike

azurecanyon-33 OP

Updated team!

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tidycomet-49

metronome?

@tidycomet-49 metronome?
azurecanyon-33 OP

I had no clue what it does other than dmg stack pop bomb 😭

@azurecanyon-33 I had no clue what it does other than dmg stack pop bomb 😭
tidycomet-49

i have no idea how it interact with pop bomb lol, but usually wide guard is better so almost guarantee it hits 10 times

azurecanyon-33 OP

Originally it was kings rock but thank you ive never heard of using wide gaurd with it

tidycomet-49

i would recommend shadow sneak instead of poltergeist to help secure kills, having both last respests and poltergeist is kinda redundant since after 1 death LR is just better

azurecanyon-33 OP

Bet i thought poltergeist did decent damage against mega stones

@azurecanyon-33 Bet i thought poltergeist did decent damage against mega stones
tidycomet-49

it does but after 1 death last respest is 5 base power stronger and can't miss

azurecanyon-33 OP

Ohhh okay

tidycomet-49

ouh wait no poltergeist is 110

tidycomet-49

my bad

azurecanyon-33 OP

O

tidycomet-49

still last respect is 100 bp and can't miss

azurecanyon-33 OP

Tru !

azurecanyon-33 OP

So get rid of polt n get shadow sneak n put wide gaurd on my mous fam

azurecanyon-33 OP

Got it 👍

azurecanyon-33 OP

Thank you wise one 🙏🏾

tidycomet-49

mous has wide guard?

tidycomet-49

huh didn't know that

@azurecanyon-33 Thank you wise one 🙏🏾
tidycomet-49

good luck on your games

@tidycomet-49 mous has wide guard?
azurecanyon-33 OP

I thought so ? I may be trippin

@azurecanyon-33 I thought so ? I may be trippin
tidycomet-49

i'm checking serebii and i'm not seeing it lol

azurecanyon-33 OP

Wide lens*

azurecanyon-33 OP

I was auto typing sorry

tidycomet-49

ouhhh

tidycomet-49

lol

tidycomet-49

no problem

@azurecanyon-33 I was auto typing sorry
tidycomet-49

i recommend making it max speed if you're going for an offensive set, usually you wanna go friend guard if you want a bulkier maushold

@azurecanyon-33 Wide lens*
tidycomet-49

wait no i'm blind lmfao

tidycomet-49

i need to sleep more

tidycomet-49

sorry my mistake

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