Countering Mega Crabominable in Sand Offense

Firstly, i think you've attached the wrong team screenshot, but secondly maybe imprison/trick room farigiraf? If you build it offensively it can also handle crabominable on its own

Thank you, I did add the wrong photos, one moment

Fixed

Yeah i think farig would fit nicely over glimmora, keeps your balance of phys/spec attacks the same and although it does tip the balance of supporters a bit, i think gliscor/rotom/farig together hybridise enough to still keep up offensive pressure

respect for the tsareena btw! i have a buddy who runs it on rain teams, pain in the arse to fight lol

Yeah I have specifically Tsareena to bully Sneasler since the common spread on Sneasler means this build is one speed point faster than jolly max speed and since I don’t have intimidate I’m not popping white Herb early and giving them a free Unburden
Then Triple Axel for Chomp and Power Whip for Basc as the cherry on top

very nice!

Yeah I do like the Farig idea to smack and bully Crab, though I’m curious how it would handle Scovillain too since Spicy Spray REALLY messes up my team

burn does hurt, but at least it doesn't ruin damage output

you should still be fine against fairies too, tyranitar and excadrill cover that and rock/ground damage

Exactly, Fairies I’m not exactly afraid of. It’s just the problem I run into where when I think I have a counter for Scovillain it doesn’t help against Crabominable and vice versa

i have a crabroom team, if you want we could run some showdown matches and you can get a feel for farig?

Yeah I’d be down eventually, I’m stuck at work rn and won’t have much time until tomorrow at around 7-8 PM EST, that’s when I have the most amount of free time. Though I am free around 11 PM EST too tonight.

ah sorry that's gonna be a bit too late for me, only staying up tonight to play a couple tournament rounds and i am definitely not making it to 4am lol (11pm est my time)

Understood lol sorry for the inconvenient time zones

nah dw! just one of those things that get in the way -_-

I’ll give Farig a shot, I’ve been contemplating Guts Conk since it would fix most of my matchups and I already have WoW on Rotom but ik setting that up would be more trouble than Imprison Trick Room. Just stinks not having a Pokemon that would address both mons equally well.

Yeah, i get why the items are limited but just flame orb, not even toxic, doesn't seem that bad

It would be way more reliable too.

yyyup

Outside of Glimmora, I know the next obvious change would prob be replacing Gliscor for Aerodactyl though I do like Gliscor more for personal touch reasons as well as electric immunity which is rare among TW setters and the fact that it can check Intimidate with Hyper Cutter. Any other adjustments you would consider to help check Scovillain then?

Yeah, gliscor is definitely solid

I think you're fine as is, go try some ladder games- scovillain is not super common even after wolfe showed off getting to rank one, so you should be safe enough to let gliscor get burned taking it out on the chance it shows up

The common offensive TR setting Farig has a 93% chance to 2HKO Scovillain but that might be lower with Leech Seed healing

True

I haven’t ran into any Scovillain or Crab teams since adding Farig, but I also haven’t had a lot of time playing Ranked bc of streaming other games and constant work 😅

My other concern is if having both Armor Tail and Queenly Majesty on the same team is overkill.

https://pokepast.es/ee5703dc97d3abd0

Your first problem is usijg gliscor

2nd is every attacker is basically physical

Ass mon

Your using as a weird offensive tw mon

Smth it isnt good at

Imo

A sneeze from any ice Pokemon will kill the ground flying type

They are replacing glim with giraff

How many non prankster running taunt?

I haven’t had that many problems against M-Froslass but it could just be that they give away Froslass too early for too little reward

I was trying to find other special threats that could benefit from sand there’s very little out there
Had Glimmora instead of Farig to handle Scovillain but realized it didn’t help my matchup against M-Crab any

I have not really faced much mega crab tbh

I haven’t fought a lot of Mega Crab or Mega Scovillain either but I just recognized and I guess hyper focused that those two are anti-meta threats that would have their way with my team with very little issue

I’m not trying to fight super hard for Gliscor’s existence on the team, I am fine with using a different Pokemon, I just think it has qualities that differentiate it from other TW setters, even if it does come up short in immediate value.
I want my full sand team to handle the best modes and Pokemon in the format, as well as some niche picks that would mess it up if not addressed like Scovillain

That’s ultimately my goal

What the fuck is gliscor doing

No offense

Sorry for coming out like that

Uhh what exactly is your arguement with gliscor

• Doesn’t fear Archaludon’s Electro Shot in rain compared to Corviknight
• Naturally faster than TW support Pelipper which bulky TW Corviknight doesn’t without significant speed investment, which paired with Rotom Wash can shut down Pelipper TW before it comes out
• Better into sun due to no fire weakness, albeit neutral to grass instead of quad resist
• Better into fighting due to resist rather than neutral
• Both don’t need to fear Intimidate due to their abilities
• I’ll acquiesce that Gliscor does not have resistances comparable to Corviknight outside of its niche matchups

Don't you have glim for sun

The most recent build gave up Glimm for Farig to better handle TR offense especially backed by Mega Crab

If you don't feel confident in it you can go sub over ep or something

Oh

So you still have mega slot

This is the most recent build

Aggron

Did dohawyth pass from here

Has both Mega Ttar and Mega Aggron since Tsareena was replaced by Aggron since I believed Queenly Majesty and Armor Tail on the same team was redundant

I feel like you literally dropped every good Mon on the team

I had Scarf Tsareena and a moveset to handle Sneasler, Basculegion and Garchomp all at once with little to no attack investment

Or any attractive one that is

Attractive as in fun to build around

Now a days garchomps are running fatter. Just a ice move is not enough

Well TSA taxel kinda blows up defensive chomp

Lol it's a garchomp

Bro can't take an ice cube

252 Atk Tsareena Triple Axel (120 BP) (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 96 Def Garchomp: 252-300 (117.2 - 139.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Spread from an old white herb set of mine

Ultimately here’s what I’m trying to do:
- Full sand
- Beats other weathers with the right selected Pokemon behind Ttar’s sand
- Beats Scovillain since I ran a team of mostly physical attackers
- Has Queenly Majesty or Armor Tail to force no Fake Outs
- Beats means of setting up Trick Room either through non-Prankster Taunt or TR/Imprison
- Initially wanted to run TR of my own but since Gigalith isn’t in the game for me to build a team around, prefer Icy Wind/TW

You know what, I sort of forgot about TSA

I can handle most of the aforementioned requirements fairly well. It’s typically me as a player missing one critical turn that ends up with me losing a game or two, but I have gotten up to a 14 win streak while climbing and am sitting comfortably in Master Ball 4 since I haven’t had time between my two jobs to make time for more Ranked attempts with variations to the team.

This was before I added in Farig and Aggron in place of Glimmora and Tsareena respectively

I haven’t tested the team in its current state

As the thread says, Mega Scovillain and Mega Crabominable. Certain Archaludon also give me trouble if I’m careless about getting it Stamina stacks too early, but other than that, I don’t necessarily struggle too hard against most other matchups in the format.

Like I said it’s usually one critical turn like not saving Tyranitar or another Pokemon on the field so I have weather advantage or not KOing a rain setter or getting a read wrong that typically holds me back.

Most of my problem matchups are mostly player error more than a necessarily bad matchup from the start

Yes, despite all the weird additions like Gliscor, it is functional

And with new additions like Farig and HH, weird Pokemon like my Gliscor can be more menacing if both end up on the field to get up Tailwind and prevent TR from activating
That’s why I was asking earlier this morning about how Innards Out works with Dual Wingbeat bc with the new Farig addition I have the means to get through my one buddy’s Mega Victreebel in one move

I’m not so arrogant where I just ignore all of the suggestions, I will likely build a new team with the new recommendations or add to the old team with some of the new recommendations and see how it works
I just know despite most of the weird decisions like Gliscor, like Aggron, like Glimm and Tsareena, my team can work. I just need to account for all of these, and why I made the thread in the first place, and with the current version of the team I feel like it can work, I just haven’t have any time to test any of it

Join the room with your team and play the people. Maybe you will get more direct feedback that helps

I can try. I just have very little free time during the day due to both of my jobs. I only message frequently here since I can multitask texting for advice while reading policy and waiting for computers to load their functions.

Oki dokie. I feel a lot of Theorie works but people can give better advice if you play them

Absolutely, and I do intend to play them. My next big opening is like in 5 hours tho.
But yeah most of my team is entirely theory based since I don’t have much time to put the theory to the test, although when I did, it’s gotten some pretty decent results.

Few things after playing some matches on Showdown
- Farigiraf isn’t really helping all that much, my Pokemon are too fast for TR if I’m not bringing Aggron
- Aggron isn’t helping all that much
- I’m not doing enough damage I feel on Rotom
- Rain is an issue and I have a hard time positioning around Pelipper switch outs
- Archaludon is a problem
- Milotic is a problem

I could
In place of Aggron?

Part of me feels like I should go back to Scarf Tsareena in place of Farigiraf

what do you think? With these outlines I replace Aggron with Archaludon, Farigiraf with Tsareena, and adjust my stat spread so Rotom can deal more damage?

Give Archaludon Leftovers instead, give Rotom Sitrus, and Tsareena back the Scarf with the build I made to outrun Sneasler, can readjust the stat spread to outrun Scarf Basculegion

Jolly, no. Are Scarf Basc forsaking Adamant nowadays?

Hmm

Then Farig stays, though I feel like it should be doing more than Imprisoning TR

I was considering Runerigus for TR denial but I figure it won’t help with any type coverage with the only upside being no sandstorm damage

Mega Tyranitar, Rotom-Wash, Archaludon

And then Excadrill for the sand abuse

Hmmm

The remaining Pokemon with Ttar, Arch and Rotom selected would be Farig, Gliscor and Exca

Assuming Arch replaces Aggron, safest change

Hard Sand offense, had middling speed to work both in and out of trick room and tailwind but with a speed change to let Mega Ttar outspeed (Adamant) Scarf Basc in TW I’m unsure about the TR route

That was ofc before I was made aware Scarf Basc goes Jolly not Adamant

17 speed on Mega Ttar can outspeed Jolly Scarf Basc in TW

So the current changes to make are
- 26 HP/32 ATK/8 SPE Jolly Mega Ttar or 17 HP/32 ATK/17 SPE Adamant Mega Ttar
- Aggron for Archaludon, any suggestions on spread or moves?

And I do wanna change the stat spread of Rotom bc I don’t feel like it’s doing enough damage

The current Rotom build is built for max bulk, nowhere near doing enough damage

32 HP/32 SPA/2 SPE Modest or Timid Rotom-W

https://pokepast.es/018c251f08ee295e

I could, I don’t know why I’m hesitant tho. Prob bc I’m afraid of clicking EQ and knocking out my own mons if they’re not positioned right. Farig basically cannot be on the field next to Exca if that were the case.