Construire une équipe Distorsion avec Mega Mawile | VGC

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Le serveur The Pokémon Champions | VGC Battles & Tournaments organise une discussion collaborative sur la création d'une équipe compétitive Distorsion autour de Mega Mawile. Ce fil explore des duos efficaces, comme Farigiraf et Incineroar, tout en abordant les défis liés aux attaquants monocibles. C'est une excellente ressource pour les joueurs souhaitant passer du format 6v6 au VGC et expérimenter de nouveaux archétypes d'équipe.

hazeljungle-67 OP

Je suis encore assez nouveau en VGC et bien que j'aie pas mal de connaissances sur Pokémon, je jouais surtout en 6v6 solo, ce qui est complètement différent du VGC.

Je demande l'aide de Team Builders pour une équipe Mawile, de préférence pas quelque chose déjà vu en ligne, mais plutôt un truc qu'on peut construire ensemble. Votre aide serait très appréciée !

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hazeljungle-67 OP
hazeljungle-67 OP

et désolé pour le ping, je me demandais juste si vous pouviez me donner un coup de main

happykitten-50

Salut

happykitten-50

Je suis un IMMENSE fan de Mawile, donc je peux t'aider ici

happykitten-50

Mawile est vraiment fort quand il est associé à Incin et Farigiraf pour poser la Distorsion et se placer de manière à ce que Mawile puisse pratiquement tout tuer

happykitten-50

Tu peux l'associer à toutes sortes de modes secondaires et d'autres mons

happykitten-50

Par exemple, tu peux faire des 3 autres Pokémon une base pluie avec Swampert pour quand la Distorsion ne marche pas, tu peux miser à fond sur la Distorsion en ajoutant plus de mons Distorsion, et ainsi de suite

happykitten-50

J'utilise actuellement un Zard Y plus lent pour contrer les équipes pluie et d'autres trucs contre lesquels la Distorsion ne marche pas super bien

happykitten-50

Donc selon ce que tu as, c'est à toi de voir comment tu veux construire l'équipe !

happykitten-50

Donne quelques idées et on pourra travailler à partir de là

happykitten-50

Par contre je dois dormir maintenant donc je regarderai ça demain matin !

@happykitten-50 Donc selon ce que tu as, c'est à toi de voir comment tu veux construire l'équipe !
hazeljungle-67 OP

OMG merci beaucoup de m'aider ! Même si je comprends que Mawile est une machine de guerre, j'ai vraiment beaucoup de mal à l'utiliser car c'est un mon monocible. Je joue très bien le "Protect The King" mais ça ne marche pas aussi bien avec Mawile.

@happykitten-50 Donne quelques idées et on pourra travailler à partir de là
hazeljungle-67 OP

Je pense vraiment que je veux partir sur un second Mega qui couvre les faiblesses de Mawile. Mais je ne suis pas trop sûr pour le contrôle de vitesse. J'ai réussi à atteindre un rang assez élevé en M-A avec :

Farigiraf
Chomp
Kang
Mega Zard
Mega Floette
Aerodactyl

Une équipe double mode avec Vent Arrière et Distorsion. J'étais très bon avec, j'ai atteint environ 1900 sans être vraiment sérieux. Mais je veux changer pour quelque chose que je maîtrise moins pour explorer mon plafond de compétence.

Donc je suis ouvert à plein d'idées. Je suis déjà bon en Protect the King mais je veux aussi jouer quelque chose que j'aime. 🤔

hazeljungle-67 OP

Sacré dilemme, car j'ai essayé des équipes connues et mec... j'ai vraiment du mal avec. C'est pour ça que je préférerais construire quelque chose avec l'aide des pros ici

cleverjungle-87

Je suis d'accord avec ce que la personne au-dessus a dit sur le concept. Mawile a Intimidation sous sa forme de base, donc l'associer à un autre utilisateur d'Intimidation est un choix intelligent. Je ne suis pas un grand fan d'Incineroar mais tout Pokémon doit être considéré lors du teambuilding. Cela dit, Incin et Mawile ensemble créent un petit problème contre les utilisateurs de Séisme comme Garchomp s'ils jouent intelligemment et évitent la baisse d'attaque double. Ça ne veut pas dire qu'ils ne fonctionnent pas bien ensemble, mais pendant que tu construis ton équipe, il sera important de garder un œil sur la synergie des types.

Farigiraf serait un choix intéressant comme poseur de Distorsion. L'argument principal est d'arrêter les capacités prioritaires. Les plus courantes en ce moment sont Bluff et Coup Bas. Farig n'est pas nécessaire pour que Mawile reste protégé car tu peux toujours utiliser Abri au tour 1 pour éviter un Bluff ou jouer un Pokémon rapide comme Greninja avec un move prioritaire. Farig est important pour protéger les types Spectre/Psy si tu en ajoutes un comme 2ème Mega. Pisto-Poing est une autre priorité possible que tu verrais chez Scizor ou Mega Metagross, et Aqua-Jet chez Basculegion. Juste des choses à garder en tête pendant que tu pèses le pour et le contre de chaque membre de l'équipe.

Si tu veux essayer une stratégie Protect the King, c'est assez populaire de jouer un Sinistcha pour les soins d'Hospitalité et Incin, Grimmsnarl ou Maushold pour le soutien.

Ma suggestion serait de trouver d'abord un poseur de Distorsion que tu aimes à côté de Mawile. Il y a Farigiraf comme mentionné plus haut, Oranguru si tu veux utiliser Sommation sur Mawile et le faire attaquer deux fois au lieu de ton poseur de Distorsion, Aromatisse qui a un talent qui empêche Encore, Provoc et Entrave d'être utilisés sur ton côté du terrain pour contrer les stratégies Farceur, et les deux formes de Cofagrigus et Spiritomb offrent des types et un bulk différents pour les poseurs de Distorsion.

cleverjungle-87

Au sujet du talent d'Aromatisse, Alcremie a le même talent et peut utiliser Décoration sur un allié à travers Abri pour doubler ses deux stats d'attaque. Il n'a pas Distorsion par contre, donc avec ça tu essaierais surtout de tout finir au Coup Bas. Pas super génial avec Mawile mais c'est bon de connaître tes options. Coaching pourrait aussi être utilisé à travers Abri pour booster l'attaque et la défense de Mawile, et c'est appris par la plupart des types Combat.

@cleverjungle-87 Au sujet du talent d'Aromatisse, Alcremie a le même talent et peut utiliser Décoration sur un allié…
hazeljungle-67 OP

Pour moi, le trio Incin, Farig et Mawile a beaucoup de sens. Je pense à remplacer Incin par Grimmsnarl peut-être car il donne beaucoup de protection à Mawile, mais ça semble un peu trop passif ? Je veux que l'équipe puisse alterner entre Protect the King et avoir au moins un type de dégâts secondaire qui me permet de jouer même si Mawile tombe 🤔

Je tombe actuellement sur une quantité folle de :

Zard + Chomp
Basculegion
Équipes Pluie avec Pert + Archaludon
Et plus spécifiquement la dernière équipe que Zang a postée ce matin, Mega Raichu Y + Milotic

hazeljungle-67 OP

Ce sont définitivement des choses sur lesquelles nous devons ABSOLUMENT travailler pour l'équipe à mon avis. Je pense que Mawile a du mal à gérer la Pluie, Zard et Raichu + Milotic. Nous devons trouver une solution pour ça.

Comme second Mega, je pense peut-être à Mega Dragonite ?

cleverjungle-87

C'est dur de répondre à ça haha. Tu as commencé par dire que le trio Incin, Farig et Mawile avait du sens, puis tu as listé 6 ou 7 des Pokémon les plus utilisés contre lesquels tu galères. Ça impliquerait que ce trio n'a pas de sens parce que tu essaies ensuite de couvrir au moins 6 autres Pokémon avec tes 3 derniers slots. Farig peut rester mais Incin doit partir. Scrafty serait une meilleure option comme autre utilisateur d'Intimidation avec une pression offensive. Le problème avec Incin et Mawile, c'est qu'ils ne synergisent pas bien ensemble. Surtout sans Veste de Combat dans ce jeu. Incin préfère être associé à des menaces plus méta. Incin et Mega Gengar par exemple forment une paire parfaite dans une équipe Perish Trap. Un Pokémon méta qui, selon moi, synergise parfaitement avec Mawile est Sinistcha. Les soins d'Hospitalité, Doux Parfum, Poudre Fureur, Matcha Gotcha et la capacité de poser la Distorsion en font un excellent contre pour tes problèmes d'équipe Pluie. Surtout que la seule vraie menace pour Mawile dans une équipe Pluie est Mega Swampert ou Mega Raichu Y et un peu Archaludon avec Électro-Rayon. Une Baie Nanone pour affaiblir les attaques Glace aiderait à survivre au Poing Glace de Swampert et te donnerait une chance de l'amener contre des équipes Neige, contre lesquelles Mawile est très performant. Le reste de l'équipe devrait t'aider à contrer les équipes Soleil, surtout ton 2ème Mega car c'est ce contre quoi Mawile est le pire. Mega Pyroar et Charizard Y le dévorent et ces équipes ont généralement Garchomp aussi. Mega Dragonite n'est pas une mauvaise idée pour contrer le Soleil, il faut juste gérer le match-up contre Garchomp. Avoir un utilisateur de Laser Glace rapide fonctionne dans ce scénario, mais tu dois aussi décider si tu pars sur une Distorsion pure ou des paliers de vitesse mixtes avec Vent Arrière et Distorsion. Aussi, pensée un peu aléatoire car je n'ai pas fait les calculs, mais j'ai l'impression qu'un Mega Mawile max attaque OHKO Mega Raichu Y avec un Coup Bas juste à cause de sa fragilité.

@cleverjungle-87 C'est dur de répondre à ça haha. Tu as commencé par dire que le trio Incin, Farig et Mawile avait d…
hazeljungle-67 OP

Hmm... Donc Mega Mawile et Farig. On est d'accord là-dessus. Tu as suggéré Scrafty. Mais je doute que Mega Scrafty résolve nos problèmes contre le Soleil et compagnie. Il nous faut absolument une solution contre Milotic... Suis-je condamné à reprendre Mega Zard Y ? Je veux dire, ça ne me dérange pas mais j'aurais aimé autre chose. N'oublions pas que Zard Y ne résout pas le problème de Chomp non plus 🤔

hazeljungle-67 OP

Ni Aerodactyl

hazeljungle-67 OP

Je pense que Dragonite n'est pas mal ici avec quelque chose comme Laser Glace

@cleverjungle-87 C'est dur de répondre à ça haha. Tu as commencé par dire que le trio Incin, Farig et Mawile avait d…
hazeljungle-67 OP

Des pensées sur un Staraptor avec Effort en lead suicide ?

cleverjungle-87

Ouais, Scrafty était juste une suggestion au hasard et Mega Scrafty ne serait pas génial ici. Je suis d'accord avec Dragonite. La forme de base et Mega Dragonite sont utiles pour le problème du Soleil. Staraptor avec Effort ou Annihilape sont tous deux des leads suicide solides. Staraptor pourrait poser Vent Arrière. Annihilape a plus de PV pour un Effort plus puissant et est un Pokémon très courant en Protect the King. J'ai joué des équipes où ils soutenaient littéralement un Annihilape avec Sinistcha et Maushold. Je pense que les deux sont d'excellentes options selon si tu veux plus de soutien ou plus de pression offensive.

@cleverjungle-87 Ouais, Scrafty était juste une suggestion au hasard et Mega Scrafty ne serait pas génial ici. Je su…
hazeljungle-67 OP

Je suis assez bon en Protect the King. Je crois qu'il serait préférable pour moi de maîtriser la capacité à exercer une pression offensive avec d'autres mons aussi.

Juste pour info, jusqu'où as-tu réussi à monter dans les Champions ?

hazeljungle-67 OP

Si on prend Staraptor avec Effort, on devrait jouer le Mouchoir Choix et il resterait bloqué sur Vent Arrière

cleverjungle-87

Pas nécessairement, mais le Mouchoir donne la meilleure chance d'obtenir un Effort max dégâts, donc ça crée un petit dilemme

@cleverjungle-87 Pas nécessairement, mais le Mouchoir donne la meilleure chance d'obtenir un Effort max dégâts, donc…
hazeljungle-67 OP

C'est vrai 🤔

cleverjungle-87

Et je partage mon temps entre Showdown et les Champions. J'atteins généralement le rang Master Ball en simple et en double quand une nouvelle saison commence, puis je joue sur Showdown si je me prépare pour un tournoi. Je suis streamer et je joue à plus que juste Pokémon, donc je ne grind pas le ladder tout le temps, mais je joue en compétition depuis la sortie de ROSA. J'aime beaucoup plus cette méta que CHALK, qui était tout ce qu'on voyait à l'époque. Je viens aussi d'un background en 6v6 simple dans les tournois Showdown où les gens demandaient à acheter mon équipe après des victoires en tournoi, mais je me suis tourné vers le double quand Soleil et Lune sont sortis. J'aimerais vraiment que Palossand et Vulné-Assurance soient ajoutés aux Champions pour que je puisse jouer mon Palossand Sable Humide avec Vulné-Assurance à côté de mon Greninja avec Shuriken deau. Ce ne sera pas pareil sans Mat Block et Greninja avec Protéen, mais cette équipe était ma préférée. Bref, revenons au teambuilding.

@cleverjungle-87 Et je partage mon temps entre Showdown et les Champions. J'atteins généralement le rang Master Ball…
hazeljungle-67 OP

Impressionnant !

cleverjungle-87

Donc jusqu'ici, tu t'es fixé sur Farigiraf et Mega Mawile. Je pense que Sinistcha serait un bon troisième et Dragonite un bon quatrième choix. Tu veux Mega Dragonite ou un autre Mega ?

hazeljungle-67 OP

Je pense à un Slowking avec Prescience et Blizzard pour que Dragonite puisse jouer Blizzard

@cleverjungle-87 Donc jusqu'ici, tu t'es fixé sur Farigiraf et Mega Mawile. Je pense que Sinistcha serait un bon tro…
hazeljungle-67 OP

Mega Mawile
Mega Dragonite
Sinistcha définitivement
Farig

cleverjungle-87

J'ai fait ça avec Mega Greninja Blizzard et ça marche super bien. Il faut juste faire attention aux attaques Ténèbres sur lesquelles Mawile switch parfaitement

cleverjungle-87

Slowking est aussi excellent pour être à la fois un soutien bulky et infliger quelques dégâts

hazeljungle-67 OP

Je pense à Slowking et Staraptor. Je pense que le Staraptor avec Effort est génial mais ne tiendra pas sur les hauts ladders. Les gens le verront venir de loin. Aucune idée de sa viabilité. Donc je ne suis pas sûr. Je pense plutôt à un utilisateur de Bluff qui peut facilement switch out.

Kang avec Bluff + Dernier Recours était légendaire pour ça. Mais je veux sortir de ma zone de confort

cleverjungle-87

J'adore ce set pour Kang, j'appelais le mien mama roach et je jouais ça en simple la première saison dans les Champions. Je pense que le problème que tu as, comme tu viens de le dire, c'est que ces deux mons sont unidimensionnels et prévisibles, même s'ils font très bien leur boulot. Greninja est mon Pokémon couteau suisse préféré à ajouter à une équipe. Mets-lui une Ceinture Force et il peut gérer n'importe quel problème. J'utilise le mien pour contrer les Garchomp avec Laser Glace. Protéen fait en sorte que tu aies toujours le STAB et tu peux le jouer physique, spécial, mixte ou en soutien. Éboulement s'occupe de Charizard. Bluff contre tous les utilisateurs de Bluff et le Coup Bas de Kingambit. Il fait toujours tressaillir mais a un plafond de compétence assez élevé pour être utilisé efficacement car tu dois prédire une priorité entrante. Il a aussi Buée Noire, Provoc, Demi-Tour et Change-Éclair donc il peut switch out aussi, mais il n'a pas Bluff, ce que tu cherchais. Laisse-moi regarder la liste des Pokémon avec Bluff rapidement

hazeljungle-67 OP

Honnêtement, je considère toujours Incin comme un mon de lead pour être honnête

hazeljungle-67 OP

Bluff + Distorsion, Dernier Mot

hazeljungle-67 OP

Qu'en penses-tu ?

cleverjungle-87

You can play test it out, the list of fake out pokemon with offensive pressure is pretty short in this game. Cause you're pretty much picking between sableye, grimmsnarl and incin on that end for the more meta picks. One that I found interesting would be a mega lopunny but it doesn't work with the trick room and you have mega dragonite so the options are pretty limited. Picking incin is more so just cause it fills that last role better than most the other pokemon available. It feels better to add it in at the end too after figuring out the rest of the team

cleverjungle-87

Cause while it doesnt synergize perfectly with your megas, it does protect farig and sinistcha pretty well as well as slowking if you decide to add that in

hazeljungle-67 OP

I do want to add thr Slowking and play it. It feels quite gimmicky and I really want to test it out tbh

@cleverjungle-87 You can play test it out, the list of fake out pokemon with offensive pressure is pretty short in t…
hazeljungle-67 OP

Mentioned that it works quite well for him, maybe Incin here works nicely

cleverjungle-87

Yeah it does well with your two support pokemon

cleverjungle-87

Just have one more spot to fill

hazeljungle-67 OP

what do you think of this line up?

Farig
Incin
Sinistcha
Slowking
Mega Mawile
Mega Dragonite?

hazeljungle-67 OP

If we choose to drop Slowking we couod go for offensive pressure with Primarina

cleverjungle-87

I think thats pretty solid to be honest. You could play test it and decide if you want slowking or not for the last spot. I dont know what your team is gonna struggle against yet

cleverjungle-87

Thats a good idea

cleverjungle-87

Primarina is pretty solid, I definitely think a water type is good here for the last spot. Maybe even milotic

@cleverjungle-87 I think thats pretty solid to be honest. You could play test it and decide if you want slowking or…
hazeljungle-67 OP

Ceruledge is a PAIN IN THE BUTT

cleverjungle-87

Or rotom wash is an option too for levitate and electric damage + will o wisp

cleverjungle-87

But hydro pump is a bit iffy

cleverjungle-87

Primarina and milotic both make a lot of sense though

hazeljungle-67 OP

Oh you think Milotic could work? 🤔

cleverjungle-87

Yeah milotic is really good in the current meta with good bulk and offensive stats. Haze would help against mega staraptor/other set up shenanigans, any ice move for garchomp and scald is a great move. And gets a lot of good support like hypnosis and life Dew. Plus you could run an alternate strategy with it where you dragon cheer your dragonite and run Draco meteor because the crit ignores attack drops. The hardest part is probably just figuring out a moveset and ev build

@cleverjungle-87 Yeah milotic is really good in the current meta with good bulk and offensive stats. Haze would help…
hazeljungle-67 OP

Dragon chrer?? What do we have here?!

cleverjungle-87

It boosts your teammates crit by one stage or 2 stages if they are a dragon type

hazeljungle-67 OP

Would that ge a guaranteed crit?

cleverjungle-87

No cause it technically hits stage 3 after that (every move starts at stage one besides crit boosted moves) stage 3 is 50% and stage 4 is 100% chance

@cleverjungle-87 It boosts your teammates crit by one stage or 2 stages if they are a dragon type
hazeljungle-67 OP

Thinking about it and I kinda think Primarina is better? I feel like it puts a lot more offensive pressure with the Hyper Voice

cleverjungle-87

And you cant use dragon cheer more than once on the same pokemon.

@cleverjungle-87 No cause it technically hits stage 3 after that (every move starts at stage one besides crit booste…
hazeljungle-67 OP

Feels too gimmicky. I am quite unluckers with those

cleverjungle-87

Yeah, primarina with liquid voice hits like a truck

@cleverjungle-87 Yeah, primarina with liquid voice hits like a truck
hazeljungle-67 OP

God knows how much I despise this Pokemon

cleverjungle-87

It is gimmicky, primarina would be more consistent

@cleverjungle-87 It is gimmicky, primarina would be more consistent
hazeljungle-67 OP

Would give us an easier time against those Ceruledges and pehaps also help against opposing Milotics. Ever sincr Cybertron posted this video it has been going crazy on the ladder

hazeljungle-67 OP

But we could drop the Blizzard + Chilly co bo though. It felt nice

cleverjungle-87

I believe it. I would also consider a rock type if primarina doesnt work. Covers similar things with better matches into charizard. The best way to figure out what you want is to test the team. Build what feels good to you off what we talked about and make switches where needed

@cleverjungle-87 I believe it. I would also consider a rock type if primarina doesnt work. Covers similar things wit…
hazeljungle-67 OP

I do think we still need to fine tune here. idea is needed

hazeljungle-67 OP

Farigiraf
Incineroar
Sinistcha
Primarina
Mega Mawile
Mega Dragonite

cleverjungle-87

Just gotta wait for them to wake up haha. But yeah this is a pretty rough draft. A lot of teams start out like that when you're building your own. I make so many changes after play testing and finding specific weaknesses

cleverjungle-87

The hard part now is figuring out moves, items and ev spreads

@cleverjungle-87 The hard part now is figuring out moves, items and ev spreads
hazeljungle-67 OP

The moves should be okay, but spread is going to be rough

hazeljungle-67 OP

Playing under trick room for me mostly involves max health and max atk/spatk

@hazeljungle-67 what do you think of this line up? Farig Incin Sinistcha Slowking Mega Mawile Mega Dragonite?
happykitten-50

That’s really interesting

happykitten-50

I’ll read up further, but what is slow king doing here?

@cleverjungle-87 Je suis d'accord avec ce que la personne au-dessus a dit sur le concept. Mawile a Intimidation sous…
happykitten-50

Ok there’s a few things here

happykitten-50

So basically, you actually do NOT want to run intimidate an Mawile, because Hyper Cutter means Incin doesn’t get a free lead or switch in until you mega evolve

happykitten-50

And you can always kill Incin with a helping hand play rough pretty much

happykitten-50

Farig will also always be the best partner for the Incin Mawile core because beating sneasler fake out and having helping hand are both really nice

happykitten-50

Because then you don’t need to use a turn on SD for Mawile, you can just kill anything anyways

happykitten-50

Farig + Incin is a super good lead, then you can bring Mawile in the back with either another TR mon or something else if you think the room won’t be up for long enough

@hazeljungle-67 Des pensées sur un Staraptor avec Effort en lead suicide ?
happykitten-50

Staraptor could absolutely work, but it only works next to Farig and it’s pretty predictable. But turning the battle into a 3v3 is definitely something you can win if you get any threats to Mawile out of the way early

@hazeljungle-67 I do think we still need to fine tune here. idea is needed
happykitten-50

So basically you need an actual plan for the second mode of this team, and I’m not quite seeing it with dragonite (mostly cause there is no rain)

@hazeljungle-67 OMG merci beaucoup de m'aider ! Même si je comprends que Mawile est une machine de guerre, j'ai vra…
happykitten-50

Yeah Mawile is a little difficult cause it needs super careful positioning with the support mons (which is why Incin is so nice)

But you can almost always live at least one neutral hit so if push comes to shove you should be able to just brute force the turn of you absolutely need to

happykitten-50

Mawile does also love Lorb Garchomp earthquake after intimidate

hazeljungle-67 OP

Hmm...

@happykitten-50 So basically you need an actual plan for the second mode of this team, and I’m not quite seeing it…
hazeljungle-67 OP

Well Dragonite is a toolbox which kinda covers the problems of Mawile. With a Slowbro running Trick Room and Curious Medicine, it becomes slow enough to rotate in something with Dragonite, enable a 100% Accurate Blizzard or it ensures always 100% power Drago Meteors. No idea if that's good enough though. That would be the second plan of the team, not really a mode per say since it would still be a trick room team

@happykitten-50 Staraptor could absolutely work, but it only works next to Farig and it’s pretty predictable. But t…
hazeljungle-67 OP

I like the idea but I feel like it wouldn't last long high ladder

@happykitten-50 I’ll read up further, but what is slow king doing here?
hazeljungle-67 OP

So yeah, that was the idea behind the slowking

@hazeljungle-67 I like the idea but I feel like it wouldn't last long high ladder
happykitten-50

Correct haha

@hazeljungle-67 Well Dragonite is a toolbox which kinda covers the problems of Mawile. With a Slowbro running Trick…
happykitten-50

I do get the idea
But I feel like it’s a lot of setup for something that other Pokémon can do better with less setup
I do appreciate that Dragonite can do those things, but as you said it’s not really good enough to warrant the mega slot

@happykitten-50 I do get the idea But I feel like it’s a lot of setup for something that other Pokémon can do bette…
hazeljungle-67 OP

Hmm.. What would be a secondary Mega in your opinion that could cover for Mawile? I initially thought of Drampa. But it's not that great after testing. That normal typing play against it often

hazeljungle-67 OP

But maybe I am not playing it properly?

@hazeljungle-67 Hmm.. What would be a secondary Mega in your opinion that could cover for Mawile? I initially thoug…
happykitten-50

Drampa means youre hard committing to Trick Room, so if that doesn’t work youre just cooked

happykitten-50

I really like Zard Y because you can pretty much just chuck in other good Pokémon and it works

@happykitten-50 I really like Zard Y because you can pretty much just chuck in other good Pokémon and it works
hazeljungle-67 OP

I am so so sick of Charizard Y xD

happykitten-50

My current team is actually more of a Zard team really, Mawile is there if it’s you mg to work
So it’s up to you if you want to commit to TR mor or you want to make the other Mega a secondary mode

happykitten-50

Doesn’t have to be Zard Y

hazeljungle-67 OP

I was gonna suggest Delphox, but Delphox is just too fast for Trick Room

happykitten-50

Delphox is actually really good

happykitten-50

For a not tr mode

happykitten-50

Because Incin is also helpful in supporting a nasty plot sweep, then you can play Sinistcha as well

@happykitten-50 Delphox is actually really good
hazeljungle-67 OP

Hmm.. So you wanna have a trick room and none trick room mode.. This is what I played before though

happykitten-50

I can make a team quickly, Ive actually done that before

@hazeljungle-67 Hmm.. So you wanna have a trick room and none trick room mode.. This is what I played before though
happykitten-50

Well yeah but it’s cool

happykitten-50

:P

happykitten-50

Delphox is awesome

hazeljungle-67 OP

Farig
Incin
Sinitcha
Mawile
Delphox

@hazeljungle-67 Farig Incin Sinitcha Mawile Delphox
happykitten-50

Yes!

@happykitten-50 Delphox is awesome
hazeljungle-67 OP

When it doesn't miss heatwave? Really cool ye

happykitten-50

So you have a choice here

hazeljungle-67 OP

:Politoed_By_Sifyro:

happykitten-50

You can bring another trick room mon for that mode, another support mon if you really want, or you can bring a backup fast offense mon

happykitten-50

I’d probably do another TR mon

happykitten-50

Cause your current three support (Incin Sinis and Farig) are really good at helping Delphox win

happykitten-50

As well as Mawile under TR

@happykitten-50 So you have a choice here
hazeljungle-67 OP

Hmm.. We are still super vulnerable to Milotics, Ceruledges, Garchomps and also other Zards though

@hazeljungle-67 Hmm.. We are still super vulnerable to Milotics, Ceruledges, Garchomps and also other Zards though
happykitten-50

Mawile beats both Zard and Garchomp

happykitten-50

Which are two of Delphoxes bad matchups

happykitten-50

Cause you run rock slide and play rough

happykitten-50

Ceruledge dies to rock slide and a Farig attack

@happykitten-50 Mawile beats both Zard and Garchomp
hazeljungle-67 OP

How does Mawile beat those two? Heatwave rekts it and eathquake completely shreds it

hazeljungle-67 OP

So we run rock slide on Mawile

hazeljungle-67 OP

Hmm...

@hazeljungle-67 So we run rock slide on Mawile
happykitten-50

Yep

happykitten-50

Milotic could be a bit of an issue though you right

happykitten-50

I mean

@happykitten-50 Yep
hazeljungle-67 OP

Does Mawile survive an eq from Lorb Chomp?

happykitten-50

Sinistcha kinda walls it

@hazeljungle-67 Does Mawile survive an eq from Lorb Chomp?
happykitten-50

Yes lol

@happykitten-50 Sinistcha kinda walls it
hazeljungle-67 OP

This is a big kinda

happykitten-50

Yeah it’s epic

@happykitten-50 Yes lol
hazeljungle-67 OP

So how does it deal with both?

hazeljungle-67 OP

🤔

happykitten-50

If it’s both at once

happykitten-50

You have to either rock slide the Zard and kill the chomp after

@happykitten-50 Yes lol
hazeljungle-67 OP

Oh so it survives

happykitten-50

Yes

hazeljungle-67 OP

We'd have to make sure the Mawile is not "damaged"

happykitten-50

Yeah it lives on like 5%

happykitten-50

Does not live heat wave though

hazeljungle-67 OP

What would be the set of Mawile?

Play Rough
Sucker Punch
Rock Slide
Protect

hazeljungle-67 OP

?

@hazeljungle-67 What would be the set of Mawile? Play Rough Sucker Punch Rock Slide Protect
happykitten-50

Exactly this!

@happykitten-50 Exactly this!
hazeljungle-67 OP

Lemme guess, a Mawile Rock Slide deals more DMG than an Aerodactyle?

hazeljungle-67 OP

This has to be a joke right? 😭

@hazeljungle-67 Lemme guess, a Mawile Rock Slide deals more DMG than an Aerodactyle?
happykitten-50

It deals WAY more

happykitten-50

Like I’m pretty sure helping hand rock slide one shots incineroar

@happykitten-50 It deals WAY more
hazeljungle-67 OP

Holy Shit

happykitten-50

Mawile is silly like that

hazeljungle-67 OP

Opposing Floettes?

hazeljungle-67 OP

🤔

happykitten-50

Play rough just kills it

@happykitten-50 Play rough just kills it
hazeljungle-67 OP

Without any Helping Hand?

@hazeljungle-67 Without any Helping Hand?
happykitten-50

I don’t remember haha
It absolutely kills with HH
We can make the last mon something to help with Floette if you think it will be an issue

@happykitten-50 I don’t remember haha It absolutely kills with HH We can make the last mon something to help with F…
hazeljungle-67 OP

I don't really think so tbh

happykitten-50

Yeah I’m the same haha

hazeljungle-67 OP

Hmm...

happykitten-50

What do you think of Torkoal?

hazeljungle-67 OP

What could that last mon be though? I don't wanna go the Aerodactyl Taunt route again. I would be playing the exact same team xD

happykitten-50

Lmao

@happykitten-50 What do you think of Torkoal?
hazeljungle-67 OP

Could work but not a big fan

happykitten-50

Fair me neither

hazeljungle-67 OP

Whimsicott with Tailwind and Encore pressure?

hazeljungle-67 OP

Too passive no?

happykitten-50

Yeah doesn’t really work

happykitten-50

Tbh

hazeljungle-67 OP

Hmm...

happykitten-50

Kingambit could be good

happykitten-50

Would help a lot against other trick room teams

@happykitten-50 Kingambit could be good
hazeljungle-67 OP

Feels lwk redundant 🤔

hazeljungle-67 OP

Milotic?

happykitten-50

What would Milo be doing?

hazeljungle-67 OP

Coil
Muddy Water
Hypnosis

hazeljungle-67 OP

🫣

hazeljungle-67 OP

I be toxic like that

happykitten-50

Lmao

happykitten-50

I mean it could honestly work

hazeljungle-67 OP

Here's the deal. I have an Aggron team which i LOVE playing. I use curse on it instead of Iron defense. I go Amnesia with Farig and Baton Pass it in. It's AMAZING. But.. Man one single takes 15 mins. I just can't 😅

hazeljungle-67 OP

I wanna build something for the ladder

@happykitten-50 I mean it could honestly work
hazeljungle-67 OP

I am not sure 🤔

happykitten-50

What about basculegion?

happykitten-50

A slower bulky one

happykitten-50

With swift swim for rain

hazeljungle-67 OP

Here's one Mon I really like, Goodra. I played it last season and in the right team it's just so good. It tanks Zard Y hella well, it is not scared of EQ from Chomp. It gets Toxic... Love it xD AND Life Dew.

hazeljungle-67 OP

It won me so many games on its own. People are just not ready for it. And it's just so cute but so so so deadly xD

happykitten-50

Goodra is wild

happykitten-50

Honestly

@happykitten-50 Goodra is wild
hazeljungle-67 OP

You play it too?

happykitten-50

Just give some stuff a try

happykitten-50

I don’t use goodra haha

happykitten-50

I’ll come back after I’ve tried some things

@happykitten-50 What about basculegion?
hazeljungle-67 OP

I doubt you can go wrong with this fish tbh. I am just sick of it xD

We need a plan against it in the imo. Even though I think Mawile kills it no? Does Mawile win a Sucker God duel vs Aqua Jet?

@happykitten-50 I’ll come back after I’ve tried some things
hazeljungle-67 OP

You planning on trying stuff out?

hazeljungle-67 OP

Farig
Incine
Sinistcha
Mawile
Delphox

Last spot is up for grabs.

I feel like if we are playing dual modes with the team the last mon needs to be fast though. The problem with Delphox is that it gets completely rekt against Basculegion where Zard Y actially just solar beams it and it dies

hazeljungle-67 OP

We need something that hard counters this Basculegion problem

@happykitten-50 What about basculegion?
hazeljungle-67 OP

Hisui-Samurott??

hazeljungle-67 OP

Trick Room Mimikyu?

hazeljungle-67 OP

Or weavile?

happykitten-50

Ok

happykitten-50

Ive tested a few games with Sneasler in the last slot

happykitten-50

And Ive won all three

happykitten-50

Sneasler helps a lot with Delphox against Kingambit because you can quick guard a sucker punch and kill with combat

happykitten-50

More fake out support is also nice

hazeljungle-67 OP

Mhm mhm

happykitten-50

And last thing is, with Sneasler you can run an offensive Incin

hazeljungle-67 OP

But that dame basculegion tho

happykitten-50

Was playing this

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happykitten-50

Basc loses to Incin and Mawile under trick room

@hazeljungle-67 Farig Incine Sinistcha Mawile Delphox Last spot is up for grabs. I feel like if we are playing dual…
happykitten-50

Dw the last mon is fast

happykitten-50

Sneasler goes pretty quick :P

happykitten-50

Basculegion isnt really a problem

happykitten-50

Cause darkest lariat will just always kill

@happykitten-50 Basc loses to Incin and Mawile under trick room
hazeljungle-67 OP

Wave crash into incin is game tho no?

happykitten-50

And if it’s sash then they kill themselves with wave crash

@happykitten-50 Cause darkest lariat will just always kill
hazeljungle-67 OP

Over throat chop?

@hazeljungle-67 Wave crash into incin is game tho no?
happykitten-50

Only if it’s a 1v1

@hazeljungle-67 Over throat chop?
happykitten-50

Lariat is more damage and ignores arch stamina boosts

@happykitten-50 And if it’s sash then they kill themselves with wave crash
hazeljungle-67 OP

They run liquidation when sash

@happykitten-50 Lariat is more damage and ignores arch stamina boosts
hazeljungle-67 OP

Beautiful

happykitten-50

You also have Farig thunderbolt

hazeljungle-67 OP

Im about to go to bed

happykitten-50

So yeah give the team I just put there a go!

hazeljungle-67 OP

Are you willing to play this team a little more for a review?

@hazeljungle-67 Are you willing to play this team a little more for a review?
happykitten-50

Yeah I will

happykitten-50

I think it might be pretty good haha

@happykitten-50 Yeah I will
hazeljungle-67 OP

Lemme know when you are done ;-;

happykitten-50

Will do!

hazeljungle-67 OP

Are you in Master Ball yet?

happykitten-50

Yep

happykitten-50

I got there in one day of this season lol

@happykitten-50 Yep
hazeljungle-67 OP

Oh shoot, what's your elo?

happykitten-50

I got top 5k last season

@happykitten-50 I got top 5k last season
hazeljungle-67 OP

Not bad ngl

@hazeljungle-67 Oh shoot, what's your elo?
happykitten-50

Like 1700 cause I haven’t played very much

@happykitten-50 Like 1700 cause I haven’t played very much
hazeljungle-67 OP

Oh also not bad

happykitten-50

I’ll get higher when I play more

hazeljungle-67 OP

Alright, run the team lemme know what you think

happykitten-50

Will do! Have a good night friend

hazeljungle-67 OP

I really need to sleep. A session where your head is such a mess that you gotta take a break is usually enough to know if the team is worth the try or not

hazeljungle-67 OP

KEKW

@happykitten-50 Will do! Have a good night friend
hazeljungle-67 OP

I am very looking forward to this!!

happykitten-50

It will be fun!

@happykitten-50 It will be fun!
hazeljungle-67 OP

Thank you so so much!!

@happykitten-50 It will be fun!
hazeljungle-67 OP

GOOD MORNING!

Do we have a verdict? 🤔

@hazeljungle-67 GOOD MORNING! Do we have a verdict? 🤔
happykitten-50

Yeah I’ve played it a whole bunch!

@happykitten-50 Yeah I’ve played it a whole bunch!
hazeljungle-67 OP

I AM EXCITED NOW

happykitten-50

Ive found that I’m using Mawile a lot more than Delphox

hazeljungle-67 OP

:PokemonChampionsHappy:

@happykitten-50 Ive found that I’m using Mawile a lot more than Delphox
hazeljungle-67 OP

Okay?

happykitten-50

Delphox is still really good but it’s mainly a matchup check

happykitten-50

Also sneasler is definitely good here

hazeljungle-67 OP

So we stick with this line up?

happykitten-50

Really good partner for Delphox

happykitten-50

Ye

happykitten-50

So for the TR mode youll bring the mons that arent Delphox and Sneasler unless you specifically think other stuff will be better

happykitten-50

Leading Farig and Incin is like 75% of games on its own

happykitten-50

And you have a good amount of support Pokémon to choose from to help Delphox with

happykitten-50

So yeah it’s been really fun to play, I’d recommend giving it a go!

happykitten-50

If you haven’t already

@happykitten-50 So yeah it’s been really fun to play, I’d recommend giving it a go!
hazeljungle-67 OP

How many games have you played and what would you say was your win rate?

hazeljungle-67 OP

I am quite excited to play it but I am not confident I have what it takes to pilot it well. Kinda scared ngl. Maybe you could help me pilot it?

@hazeljungle-67 How many games have you played and what would you say was your win rate?
happykitten-50

Win rate was probably like 60% cause I was learning the team

happykitten-50

But yeah I can help! Can’t call atm but feel free to send me videos

@happykitten-50 But yeah I can help! Can’t call atm but feel free to send me videos
hazeljungle-67 OP

Currently at work but definitely can message and talk whenever I am a little more free

@happykitten-50 Win rate was probably like 60% cause I was learning the team
hazeljungle-67 OP

Out of how many games?

@hazeljungle-67 Out of how many games?
happykitten-50

Like 30?

@happykitten-50 Like 30?
hazeljungle-67 OP

That's a lot man wow

hazeljungle-67 OP

Where did you reach on Master Ball?

@happykitten-50 Like 30?
hazeljungle-67 OP

Lemme know when you are free my good sir

@happykitten-50 Like 30?
hazeljungle-67 OP

Oh right, about the spread. Are they optimal already?

@hazeljungle-67 Where did you reach on Master Ball?
happykitten-50

Got up to 1790

@hazeljungle-67 Oh right, about the spread. Are they optimal already?
happykitten-50

I think so yes

happykitten-50

If something changes I’ll let you know

@happykitten-50 Got up to 1790
hazeljungle-67 OP

Not bad at all!

@happykitten-50 If something changes I’ll let you know
hazeljungle-67 OP

Giving the team a go today! Going for that grind!

@hazeljungle-67 Giving the team a go today! Going for that grind!
happykitten-50

You got it

happykitten-50

Let me know if you need help

hazeljungle-67 OP

Imma be probably grinding for a while tonight. Imma tell you about it tomorrow if sum weird

hazeljungle-67 OP

Imma be studying the spreads at work

@happykitten-50 You got it
hazeljungle-67 OP

Leading with Incine and Farig. How do you remove your Incine and get a safe switch into Mawile? By the time we get to switch her in Trick Room is almost up and we are under massive pressure.

I think the best way to do this is to set uo Trick Room with Mawile already on the board with a protect. But this is not consistent. I think for this strat Staraptor is a great idea. Using it as a bait could serve as a great way to go for the Mawile Swap in also

hazeljungle-67 OP

Or we could just bait with it and then lead with Mawile directly. 🤔

@hazeljungle-67 Leading with Incine and Farig. How do you remove your Incine and get a safe switch into Mawile? By…
happykitten-50

The way I usually do it is you can parting shot turn one, do it when you think it will be safe, OR
You just use Incin as a suidice attacker

happykitten-50

Life Orb and flare blitz will drain your health very quickly and it will more than likely pick up at least one kill

@happykitten-50 Life Orb and flare blitz will drain your health very quickly and it will more than likely pick up a…
hazeljungle-67 OP

Hmm.. I see the idea. I believe if the damage output is significant enough the trick room is put to good use. It's similar to the Farig + Kang lead. Except this one gives you the ability to pivot and to deal damage

hazeljungle-67 OP

I see...

happykitten-50

Yeah exactly

hazeljungle-67 OP

Still reauires quite a bit of skill for this though. And I am not quite there yet

happykitten-50

uhh yeah it kinda does haha

hazeljungle-67 OP

I have been dealing with a level of hax that really rekt me yesterday xD

hazeljungle-67 OP

Today is a new day COPIUM

happykitten-50

yikes

happykitten-50

I believe in you

hazeljungle-67 OP

8 crits out of 10 matches, all being relevant, 4 flinches in a single game. 1 crit that OHKOs my Delphox while the scarf Chomp was -4... Right after 2 flinches and one Heat Wave miss

@happykitten-50 yikes
hazeljungle-67 OP

What am I playing, Sparkles...? I wanna off myself

hazeljungle-67 OP

:Politoed_By_Sifyro:

hazeljungle-67 OP

I am thinking maybe going the Zard route?

hazeljungle-67 OP

Not sure tbh

hazeljungle-67 OP

I think I kinda need a second spread move damage output. Either Sylveon or Torkoal. Or both

hazeljungle-67 OP

Either I go with a Trick Room + Tailwind build or Hard hard trick room with a secondary massive damage output...

hazeljungle-67 OP

I need help D:

happykitten-50

Sorry I was having dinner

happykitten-50

Hmm

@happykitten-50 Sorry I was having dinner
hazeljungle-67 OP

We finna dine on their souls xD

happykitten-50

I actually used Mawile Zard at a tournament today, went 5-2, but I thought you didn't want to do that?

happykitten-50

Also yes Sylveon might be really good here

@happykitten-50 I actually used Mawile Zard at a tournament today, went 5-2, but I thought you didn't want to do th…
hazeljungle-67 OP

Lowkey feel like I kinda do at this point =/

hazeljungle-67 OP

While I do love Delphox, it's just so fragile to a lot of things without support. Without Sneasler by her side Dark moves and Basculegio puts way too much pressure

happykitten-50

I agree with this

hazeljungle-67 OP

The second mode of the team is not enough to support Delphox fully

happykitten-50

I think it is but it's really difficult

hazeljungle-67 OP

So once Sneasler faints, it's lowkey game over

happykitten-50

And only against certain teams

happykitten-50

I can show what I was running?

@happykitten-50 And only against certain teams
hazeljungle-67 OP

That's the thing...

@happykitten-50 I can show what I was running?
hazeljungle-67 OP

Go ahead let's see

happykitten-50

https://pokepast.es/9b9958bf68cc6f66

happykitten-50

Star of the show was definitely Sylveon

@happykitten-50 https://pokepast.es/9b9958bf68cc6f66
hazeljungle-67 OP

Yeeeee, you cannot really go wrong with this tbh XD

happykitten-50

I didn't put rock slide on Mawile cause I wanted iron head for floette and I have chomp for zard

happykitten-50

Trick room became very much a secondary mode

@happykitten-50 Trick room became very much a secondary mode
hazeljungle-67 OP

That's usually how it is when you have Zard. It's just way too broken

happykitten-50

yup

hazeljungle-67 OP

Is there a world where we swap Chomp for Incin?

hazeljungle-67 OP

The Sun of Zard justifies it no?

happykitten-50

I mean you could do that, and then put Rock Slide on Mawile?

@happykitten-50 I mean you could do that, and then put Rock Slide on Mawile?
hazeljungle-67 OP

I think it could work, yeah 🤔

happykitten-50

But then you lose out on a big part of the Zard mode

hazeljungle-67 OP

We then fully use Mawile as primary option no?

@happykitten-50 But then you lose out on a big part of the Zard mode
hazeljungle-67 OP

That's what I am saying

happykitten-50

I mean you could do that yeah

happykitten-50

Idk if it would be any better, but it's worth trying

happykitten-50

I might not though cause I'm refining this team haha

hazeljungle-67 OP

In the last format I played my Zard max HP max SPATK. It would still outspeed under Tailwind and work under trick room

hazeljungle-67 OP

I found it quite nice

happykitten-50

That's interesting

happykitten-50

I make my Zard have just enough speed to go faster than neutral Basc, and enough damage to kill it with solar beam

happykitten-50

Then a lot of bulk

hazeljungle-67 OP

Basc sure is annoying as hell

hazeljungle-67 OP

Well..

hazeljungle-67 OP

Incin instead of Mawile...

hazeljungle-67 OP

Hmmmmmmm

happykitten-50

Instead of chomp you mean?

hazeljungle-67 OP

NGL I am liking your team quite a bit

@happykitten-50 Instead of chomp you mean?
hazeljungle-67 OP

Yeyeye Chomp sorry

hazeljungle-67 OP

It would be a lot easier to pilot and a looooot less frustrating that's for sure

hazeljungle-67 OP

I still need to refine the spreads though

@hazeljungle-67 NGL I am liking your team quite a bit
happykitten-50

thanks haha

hazeljungle-67 OP

I think I am going to explore the speed tiers of the trick room and tailwind today during off hours at work

hazeljungle-67 OP

It's worth looking into

hazeljungle-67 OP

Is Champion tier unlocked already?

happykitten-50

It is! It's something I did a while back
And yeah there's champion tier

@happykitten-50 It is! It's something I did a while back And yeah there's champion tier
hazeljungle-67 OP

What's min to get up atm?

hazeljungle-67 OP

Also, accept my damn friend request XD

hazeljungle-67 OP

I am enjoying the theory crafting with you

@hazeljungle-67 Also, accept my damn friend request XD
happykitten-50

I did

@hazeljungle-67 What's min to get up atm?
happykitten-50

No idea haha

happykitten-50

I got up to 2010 last season and didn't reach it

merrykitten-85

2150

merrykitten-85

Is the lowest in I’ve seen

@merrykitten-85 2150
hazeljungle-67 OP

Good heavens ain't no way I make it up there this season... Big Sadge...

@happykitten-50 I did
hazeljungle-67 OP

Beautiful

@merrykitten-85 2150
hazeljungle-67 OP

How your mega mawile adventure going?

@happykitten-50 https://pokepast.es/9b9958bf68cc6f66
hazeljungle-67 OP

Absolutely LOVING this team. With the swap of Incin, Mawile gets to be played a lot more. It catches people off guard so much that one Flare Blitz is enough to win the game sometimes. The Lorb just carries! Just managed to play it a little but for the little I played, I can tell you I love it!

@hazeljungle-67 Absolutely LOVING this team. With the swap of Incin, Mawile gets to be played a lot more. It catche…
happykitten-50

I am so glad to hear it haha

@happykitten-50 I am so glad to hear it haha
hazeljungle-67 OP

An absolutely brutal team! I gotta admit however, the Zard mode is quite weak on the ladder now with the Incin tweak however. We gotta keep that in mind. Incine 2 shotting Zard under the sun is just... Insane xD

I feel like there are some tweaks here and there that se could do. For example I feel like our Sylveon doesn't hit hard enough. But I am not sure. Regardless, team is insane

happykitten-50

Good good! I did say that Zard would be more difficult to use that way haha

happykitten-50

But yeah glad it's going well!

@happykitten-50 Good good! I did say that Zard would be more difficult to use that way haha
hazeljungle-67 OP

It's a little harder to use now indeed...

hazeljungle-67 OP

One thing though...

hazeljungle-67 OP

Toxapex... 😰

happykitten-50

oh true we took out garchomp

hazeljungle-67 OP

Still haven't stumbled upon it yet, but it's all over the ladder on the top. I am still quite low so for now it's okay

hazeljungle-67 OP

🤔

@hazeljungle-67 Still haven't stumbled upon it yet, but it's all over the ladder on the top. I am still quite low s…
happykitten-50

I don't think it's THAT common, but fair

@happykitten-50 I don't think it's THAT common, but fair
hazeljungle-67 OP

Hmm... I am just thinking about how I will react when I stumble upon Pex on high ladder xD

@hazeljungle-67 Hmm... I am just thinking about how I will react when I stumble upon Pex on high ladder xD
happykitten-50

yeah 'd say just hit it with incin lariat and solar beam and hope for the best

@happykitten-50 yeah 'd say just hit it with incin lariat and solar beam and hope for the best
hazeljungle-67 OP

I think I don't really have a choice here xD

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