Construa um time de Trick Room com Mega Mawile | Guia VGC
Resumo
O servidor Pokémon Champions | VGC Battles & Tournaments está organizando uma discussão colaborativa sobre a construção de um time competitivo de Trick Room com Mega Mawile. Este tópico explora combinações eficazes, como o uso de Farigiraf e Incineroar, enquanto aborda os desafios dos atacantes de alvo único. É um ótimo recurso para jogadores que buscam transitar de formatos 6v6 para VGC e experimentar novos arquétipos de time.
Ainda sou um pouco novo no VGC e, embora tenha bastante conhecimento sobre Pokémon, costumava jogar 6v6 solo, o que é completamente diferente do VGC.
Estou solicitando a ajuda de Team Builders para um time de Mawile, de preferência algo que não seja visto online e mais algo que possamos construir juntos. Sua ajuda seria muito apreciada!
e desculpe pelo ping, só queria saber se vocês poderiam me dar uma mão
Olá
Sou um GRANDE fã de Mawile, então posso te ajudar aqui
Mawile é muito forte quando pareado com Incin e Farigiraf para setar Trick Room e se posicionar de forma que Mawile possa praticamente matar tudo
Você pode colocá-lo com todos os tipos de modos secundários e outros mons
Por exemplo, você pode fazer com que os outros 3 Pokémon sejam um time de chuva com Swampert para quando o TR não funcionar, você pode dobrar a aposta e adicionar mais mons de TR, e assim por diante
Atualmente uso um Zard Y mais lento como forma de combater times de chuva e outras coisas contra as quais o TR não funciona bem
Então, dependendo do que você tem, depende totalmente de você como quer construir o time!
Dê algumas ideias e podemos trabalhar a partir daí
Embora eu precise dormir agora, então vou olhar isso de manhã!
OMG muito obrigado por me dar uma mão! Embora eu entenda que Mawile é uma potência, tenho tido muita, muita dificuldade em usá-la, já que ela é um Mon de alvo único. Eu jogo "Proteger o Rei" muito bem, mas não funciona tão bem com Mawile.
Definitivamente acho que quero ir atrás de uma Mega secundária que cubra as fraquezas de Mawile. Mas não tenho muita certeza sobre o controle de velocidade. Consegui chegar bem alto no M-A com:
Farigiraf
Chomp
Kang
Mega Zard
Mega Floette
Aerodactyl
Um time de modo duplo com Tailwind e Trickroom. Eu era muito bom nisso, cheguei a cerca de 1900 sem levar muito a sério. Mas quero mudar para algo que não domino tanto para explorar meu limite de habilidade.
Então estou aberto a muitas ideias. Já sou bom em Proteger o Rei, mas quero jogar algo que eu goste também. 🤔
Um dilema, já que tenho tentado times conhecidos e cara... estou tendo muita dificuldade com eles. É por isso que prefiro construir algo com a ajuda dos profissionais aqui
Concordo com o que a pessoa acima disse sobre o conceito. Mawile ganha Intimidate na forma base, então pareá-lo com outro usuário de Intimidate é um movimento inteligente. Não sou um grande fã de Incineroar, mas qualquer Pokémon deve ser considerado ao montar times. Dito isso, Incin e Mawile juntos criam um pequeno problema contra usuários de Earthquake como Garchomp se eles fizerem uma jogada inteligente e evitarem a queda dupla de ataque. Isso não significa que eles não funcionem bem juntos, mas enquanto você monta o time, será importante acompanhar a sinergia de tipos com seu time.
Farigiraf seria uma escolha interessante como setter de Trick Room. O argumento principal é parar movimentos de prioridade. Os mais comuns agora são Sucker Punch e Fake Out. Farig não é necessário para que Mawile permaneça protegido, já que você sempre pode usar Protect no turno 1 para evitar um Fake Out ou usar Upper Hand em um Pokémon rápido como Greninja. Farig é importante para proteger tipos Fantasma/Psíquico se você adicionar um como 2ª Mega. Bullet Punch também é um possível movimento de prioridade que você veria de Scizor ou Mega Metagross e Aqua Jet de Basculegion. Apenas algumas coisas para manter em mente enquanto você pesa os prós e contras de cada membro do time.
Se você quiser tentar uma estratégia de proteger o rei, é bastante popular usar um Sinistcha para curas de Hospitality e Incin, Grimmsnarl ou Maushold para suporte.
Minha sugestão seria encontrar primeiro um setter de Trick Room que você goste ao lado de Mawile. Tem Farigiraf como mencionado acima, Oranguru se você quiser usar Instruct em Mawile e fazê-lo atacar duas vezes em vez do seu setter de Trick Room, Aromatisse como setter de Trick Room tem uma habilidade que evita que Encore, Taunt e Disable sejam usados no seu lado do campo para parar estratégias de Prankster, e ambas as formas de Cofagrigus e Spiritomb oferecem tipos e volume diferentes para setters de Trick Room.
Sobre a habilidade de Aromatisse, Alcremie ganha a mesma habilidade e pode usar Decorate em um aliado através de Protect para dobrar ambas as estatísticas de ataque. Ele não ganha Trick Room, então com isso você estaria tentando dar Sucker Punch em tudo. Não é muito bom com Mawile, mas é bom conhecer suas opções. Coaching também poderia ser usado através de Protect para aumentar o ataque e a defesa de Mawile, e isso é aprendido pela maioria dos tipos Lutador.
Para mim, o trio de Incin, Farig e Mawile faz muito sentido. Pensando em trocar Incin por Grimmsnarl talvez, já que dá a Mawile muita proteção, mas parece um pouco passivo demais? Quero que o time consiga alternar entre proteger o rei e ter pelo menos algum tipo de dano secundário que me permita jogar o jogo mesmo se Mawile cair 🤔
Atualmente estou encontrando uma quantidade insana de:
Zard + Chomp
Basculegion
Times de chuva com Pert + Archaludon
E mais especificamente o último time que Zang postou esta manhã, Mega Raichu Y + Milotic
Essas são definitivamente coisas que ABSOLUTAMENTE precisamos considerar trabalhar no time na minha opinião. Acho que Mawile tem dificuldade em lidar com Chuva, Zard e Raichu + Milotic. Precisamos encontrar algum tipo de solução para isso.
Como Mega secundária, estou pensando talvez em Mega Dragonite?
É difícil responder a isso haha. Você começou dizendo que o trio de Incin, Farig e Mawile faz sentido e depois listou 6 ou 7 dos Pokémon mais usados contra os quais você tem dificuldade. Isso implicaria que esse trio não faz sentido porque você está tentando cobrir pelo menos outros 6 Pokémon com seus últimos 3. Farig poderia ficar, mas Incin tem que sair. Scrafty seria uma opção melhor como outro usuário de Intimidate com pressão ofensiva. O problema com Incin e Mawile é que eles não têm boa sinergia juntos. Especialmente sem Assault Vest neste jogo. Incin prefere ser pareado ironicamente com mais ameaças do meta. Incin e Mega Gengar, por exemplo, formam um par perfeito em um time de Perish Trap. Um Pokémon do meta que sinto que tem sinergia perfeita com Mawile é Sinistcha. As curas de Hospitality, Life Dew, Rage Powder, Macha Gotcha e a capacidade de setar Trick Room o tornam um ótimo contador para seus problemas com times de chuva. Especialmente porque a única ameaça real para Mawile em um time de chuva é Mega Swampert ou Mega Raichu Y e meio que Archaludon com Electro Shot. Uma Yache Berry para enfraquecer movimentos de gelo ajudaria a sobreviver ao Ice Punch de Swampert e lhe daria uma chance de trazê-lo contra times de neve, contra os quais Mawile funciona muito bem. O resto do time deveria ajudá-lo a contra-atacar times de sol, especialmente sua 2ª Mega, porque é contra isso que Mawile é pior. Mega Pyroar e Charizard Y o comem vivo e esses times geralmente têm Garchomp também. Mega Dragonite não é uma má ideia para um contador de times de sol, só precisa descobrir o confronto contra Garchomp. Ter um usuário rápido de Ice Beam funciona nesse cenário, mas você também precisa descobrir se vai apostar em Trick Room puro ou níveis de velocidade mistos com Tailwind e Trick Room. Além disso, um pensamento um pouco aleatório porque ainda não calculei, mas tenho a sensação de que um Mega Mawile com ataque máximo dá OHKO em Mega Raichu Y com um Sucker Punch só por causa de quão frágil ele é
Hmm... Então Mega Mawile e Farig. Concordamos nisso. Você sugeriu Scrafty. Mas duvido que Mega Scrafty resolva nossos problemas contra sol e tal. Definitivamente precisamos de uma solução contra Milotic... Estou condenado a levar Mega Zard Y de novo? Quero dizer, não me importo, mas gostaria de outra coisa. Não vamos esquecer como Zard Y não resolve o problema de Chomp também 🤔
Nem Aerodactyl
Acho que Dragonite não é ruim aqui com algo como Ice Beam
Pensamentos sobre um Staraptor com Final Gambit como suicida de início?
Sim, Scrafty foi apenas uma sugestão aleatória e Mega Scrafty não seria ótimo aqui. Concordo com Dragonite. Tanto a forma base quanto Mega Dragonite são úteis para o problema do sol. Staraptor com Final Gambit ou Annihilape são ambos suicidas de início sólidos. Staraptor poderia setar Tailwind. Annihilape tem mais saúde para um Final Gambit de maior dano e é um Pokémon muito comum para proteger o rei. Já joguei times onde eles literalmente apenas apoiam um Annihilape com Sinistcha e Maushold. Acho que ambos são ótimas opções dependendo se você quer mais suporte ou mais pressão ofensiva
Sou bastante bom em proteger o rei. Acredito que seria melhor para mim dominar a capacidade de exercer pressão ofensiva com outros mons também.
Só para constar, quão alto você conseguiu chegar em Champions?
Se pegarmos Staraptor com Final Gambit teríamos que ir com o Scarf e ele ficaria preso em Tailwind
Não necessariamente, mas o Scarf dá a melhor chance de obter o dano máximo com Final Gambit, então cria um pequeno dilema
De fato cria 🤔
E divido o tempo entre Showdown e Champions. Normalmente só vou para o nível Master Ball tanto em singles quanto em doubles quando uma nova temporada começa, depois jogo Showdown se estiver me preparando para um torneio. Sou streamer e jogo mais do que apenas Pokémon, então não estou moendo a ladder o tempo todo, mas jogo competitivamente desde que ORAS saiu. Gosto muito mais deste meta do que CHALK, que era quase tudo o que você via naquela época. Também venho de um histórico em 6v6 singles em torneios de Showdown onde as pessoas pediam para comprar meu time após vitórias em torneios, mas depois mudei para doubles quando Sol e Lua saíram. Eu realmente quero que Pallosand e Weakness Policy sejam adicionados a Champions para que eu possa usar meu Pallosand com Water Compaction e Weakness Policy ao lado do meu Greninja com Water Shuriken. Ainda não será a mesma coisa sem Mat Block e Battle Bond Greninja, mas esse time era meu favorito. De qualquer forma, voltando ao teambuilding.
Impressionante!
Então, até agora, você se decidiu por Farigiraf e Mega Mawile. Acho que Sinistcha seria um bom terceiro e Dragonite uma boa quarta escolha. Você quer Mega Dragonite ou uma Mega diferente?
Pensando em uma técnica de Slowking com Chilly Reception e Blizzard para Dragonite usar Blizzard
Mega Mawile
Mega Dragonite
Sinistcha definitivamente
Farig
Já fiz isso com Mega Greninja e Blizzard e funciona muito bem. Só tem que tomar cuidado com movimentos sombrios, nos quais Mawile troca perfeitamente
Slowking também é ótimo em ser suporte volumoso e ter algum dano
Pensando em Slowking e Staraptor. Acho que o Staraptor com Final Gambit é ótimo, mas não vai durar em ladders altas. As pessoas vão ver de longe. Sem ideia de quão bom vai ser. Então não tenho certeza sobre isso. Estou pensando mais em um usuário de Fake Out que possa trocar facilmente.
Kang com Fake Out e Last Resort era o goat nisso. Mas quero sair da minha zona de conforto
Adoro esse set para Kang, chamei o meu de mama roach e usei isso em singles na primeira temporada em Champions. Acho que o problema que você tem, como acabou de dizer, é que ambos os mons são unidimensionais e previsíveis, mesmo que façam seu trabalho muito bem. Greninja é meu Pokémon canivete suíço favorito para adicionar a um time. Coloque uma Sash nele e ele pode lidar com qualquer problema que você tenha. Uso o meu para contra-atacar Garchomps com Ice Beam. Protean faz com que você sempre ganhe STAB e você pode usá-lo físico, especial, misto ou como suporte. Rock Slide nele cuida de Charizard. Upper Hand contra-ataca cada usuário de Fake Out e Sucker Punch de Kingambit. Ele sempre faz flinch, mas tem um limite de habilidade bastante alto para usar efetivamente porque você tem que prever um movimento de prioridade chegando. Ele também ganha Haze, Taunt, U-turn e Flip Turn, então ele também pode trocar, mas não ganha Fake Out, que é o que você disse que estaria procurando. Deixe-me procurar a lista de Pokémon com Fake Out bem rápido
Honestamente, ainda considerando Incin como um mon de lead para ser honesto
Fake Out + Trick Room, Parting Shot
O que você acha?
You can play test it out, the list of fake out pokemon with offensive pressure is pretty short in this game. Cause you're pretty much picking between sableye, grimmsnarl and incin on that end for the more meta picks. One that I found interesting would be a mega lopunny but it doesn't work with the trick room and you have mega dragonite so the options are pretty limited. Picking incin is more so just cause it fills that last role better than most the other pokemon available. It feels better to add it in at the end too after figuring out the rest of the team
Cause while it doesnt synergize perfectly with your megas, it does protect farig and sinistcha pretty well as well as slowking if you decide to add that in
I do want to add thr Slowking and play it. It feels quite gimmicky and I really want to test it out tbh
Mentioned that it works quite well for him, maybe Incin here works nicely
Yeah it does well with your two support pokemon
Just have one more spot to fill
what do you think of this line up?
Farig
Incin
Sinistcha
Slowking
Mega Mawile
Mega Dragonite?
If we choose to drop Slowking we couod go for offensive pressure with Primarina
I think thats pretty solid to be honest. You could play test it and decide if you want slowking or not for the last spot. I dont know what your team is gonna struggle against yet
Thats a good idea
Primarina is pretty solid, I definitely think a water type is good here for the last spot. Maybe even milotic
Ceruledge is a PAIN IN THE BUTT
Or rotom wash is an option too for levitate and electric damage + will o wisp
But hydro pump is a bit iffy
Primarina and milotic both make a lot of sense though
Oh you think Milotic could work? 🤔
Yeah milotic is really good in the current meta with good bulk and offensive stats. Haze would help against mega staraptor/other set up shenanigans, any ice move for garchomp and scald is a great move. And gets a lot of good support like hypnosis and life Dew. Plus you could run an alternate strategy with it where you dragon cheer your dragonite and run Draco meteor because the crit ignores attack drops. The hardest part is probably just figuring out a moveset and ev build
Dragon chrer?? What do we have here?!
It boosts your teammates crit by one stage or 2 stages if they are a dragon type
Would that ge a guaranteed crit?
No cause it technically hits stage 3 after that (every move starts at stage one besides crit boosted moves) stage 3 is 50% and stage 4 is 100% chance
Thinking about it and I kinda think Primarina is better? I feel like it puts a lot more offensive pressure with the Hyper Voice
And you cant use dragon cheer more than once on the same pokemon.
Feels too gimmicky. I am quite unluckers with those
Yeah, primarina with liquid voice hits like a truck
God knows how much I despise this Pokemon
It is gimmicky, primarina would be more consistent
Would give us an easier time against those Ceruledges and pehaps also help against opposing Milotics. Ever sincr Cybertron posted this video it has been going crazy on the ladder
But we could drop the Blizzard + Chilly co bo though. It felt nice
I believe it. I would also consider a rock type if primarina doesnt work. Covers similar things with better matches into charizard. The best way to figure out what you want is to test the team. Build what feels good to you off what we talked about and make switches where needed
I do think we still need to fine tune here. idea is needed
Farigiraf
Incineroar
Sinistcha
Primarina
Mega Mawile
Mega Dragonite
Just gotta wait for them to wake up haha. But yeah this is a pretty rough draft. A lot of teams start out like that when you're building your own. I make so many changes after play testing and finding specific weaknesses
The hard part now is figuring out moves, items and ev spreads
The moves should be okay, but spread is going to be rough
Playing under trick room for me mostly involves max health and max atk/spatk
That’s really interesting
I’ll read up further, but what is slow king doing here?
Ok there’s a few things here
So basically, you actually do NOT want to run intimidate an Mawile, because Hyper Cutter means Incin doesn’t get a free lead or switch in until you mega evolve
And you can always kill Incin with a helping hand play rough pretty much
Farig will also always be the best partner for the Incin Mawile core because beating sneasler fake out and having helping hand are both really nice
Because then you don’t need to use a turn on SD for Mawile, you can just kill anything anyways
Farig + Incin is a super good lead, then you can bring Mawile in the back with either another TR mon or something else if you think the room won’t be up for long enough
Staraptor could absolutely work, but it only works next to Farig and it’s pretty predictable. But turning the battle into a 3v3 is definitely something you can win if you get any threats to Mawile out of the way early
So basically you need an actual plan for the second mode of this team, and I’m not quite seeing it with dragonite (mostly cause there is no rain)
Yeah Mawile is a little difficult cause it needs super careful positioning with the support mons (which is why Incin is so nice)
But you can almost always live at least one neutral hit so if push comes to shove you should be able to just brute force the turn of you absolutely need to
Mawile does also love Lorb Garchomp earthquake after intimidate
Hmm...
Well Dragonite is a toolbox which kinda covers the problems of Mawile. With a Slowbro running Trick Room and Curious Medicine, it becomes slow enough to rotate in something with Dragonite, enable a 100% Accurate Blizzard or it ensures always 100% power Drago Meteors. No idea if that's good enough though. That would be the second plan of the team, not really a mode per say since it would still be a trick room team
I like the idea but I feel like it wouldn't last long high ladder
So yeah, that was the idea behind the slowking
Correct haha
I do get the idea
But I feel like it’s a lot of setup for something that other Pokémon can do better with less setup
I do appreciate that Dragonite can do those things, but as you said it’s not really good enough to warrant the mega slot
Hmm.. What would be a secondary Mega in your opinion that could cover for Mawile? I initially thought of Drampa. But it's not that great after testing. That normal typing play against it often
But maybe I am not playing it properly?
Drampa means youre hard committing to Trick Room, so if that doesn’t work youre just cooked
I really like Zard Y because you can pretty much just chuck in other good Pokémon and it works
I am so so sick of Charizard Y xD
My current team is actually more of a Zard team really, Mawile is there if it’s you mg to work
So it’s up to you if you want to commit to TR mor or you want to make the other Mega a secondary mode
Doesn’t have to be Zard Y
I was gonna suggest Delphox, but Delphox is just too fast for Trick Room
Delphox is actually really good
For a not tr mode
Because Incin is also helpful in supporting a nasty plot sweep, then you can play Sinistcha as well
Hmm.. So you wanna have a trick room and none trick room mode.. This is what I played before though
I can make a team quickly, Ive actually done that before
Well yeah but it’s cool
:P
Delphox is awesome
Farig
Incin
Sinitcha
Mawile
Delphox
Yes!
When it doesn't miss heatwave? Really cool ye
So you have a choice here
You can bring another trick room mon for that mode, another support mon if you really want, or you can bring a backup fast offense mon
I’d probably do another TR mon
Cause your current three support (Incin Sinis and Farig) are really good at helping Delphox win
As well as Mawile under TR
Hmm.. We are still super vulnerable to Milotics, Ceruledges, Garchomps and also other Zards though
Mawile beats both Zard and Garchomp
Which are two of Delphoxes bad matchups
Cause you run rock slide and play rough
Ceruledge dies to rock slide and a Farig attack
How does Mawile beat those two? Heatwave rekts it and eathquake completely shreds it
So we run rock slide on Mawile
Hmm...
Yep
Milotic could be a bit of an issue though you right
I mean
Does Mawile survive an eq from Lorb Chomp?
Sinistcha kinda walls it
Yes lol
This is a big kinda
Yeah it’s epic
So how does it deal with both?
🤔
If it’s both at once
You have to either rock slide the Zard and kill the chomp after
Oh so it survives
Yes
We'd have to make sure the Mawile is not "damaged"
Yeah it lives on like 5%
Does not live heat wave though
What would be the set of Mawile?
Play Rough
Sucker Punch
Rock Slide
Protect
?
Exactly this!
Lemme guess, a Mawile Rock Slide deals more DMG than an Aerodactyle?
This has to be a joke right? 😭
It deals WAY more
Like I’m pretty sure helping hand rock slide one shots incineroar
Holy Shit
Mawile is silly like that
Opposing Floettes?
🤔
Play rough just kills it
Without any Helping Hand?
I don’t remember haha
It absolutely kills with HH
We can make the last mon something to help with Floette if you think it will be an issue
I don't really think so tbh
Yeah I’m the same haha
Hmm...
What do you think of Torkoal?
What could that last mon be though? I don't wanna go the Aerodactyl Taunt route again. I would be playing the exact same team xD
Lmao
Could work but not a big fan
Fair me neither
Whimsicott with Tailwind and Encore pressure?
Too passive no?
Yeah doesn’t really work
Tbh
Hmm...
Kingambit could be good
Would help a lot against other trick room teams
Feels lwk redundant 🤔
Milotic?
What would Milo be doing?
Coil
Muddy Water
Hypnosis
🫣
I be toxic like that
Lmao
I mean it could honestly work
Here's the deal. I have an Aggron team which i LOVE playing. I use curse on it instead of Iron defense. I go Amnesia with Farig and Baton Pass it in. It's AMAZING. But.. Man one single takes 15 mins. I just can't 😅
I wanna build something for the ladder
I am not sure 🤔
What about basculegion?
A slower bulky one
With swift swim for rain
Here's one Mon I really like, Goodra. I played it last season and in the right team it's just so good. It tanks Zard Y hella well, it is not scared of EQ from Chomp. It gets Toxic... Love it xD AND Life Dew.
It won me so many games on its own. People are just not ready for it. And it's just so cute but so so so deadly xD
Goodra is wild
Honestly
You play it too?
Just give some stuff a try
I don’t use goodra haha
I’ll come back after I’ve tried some things
I doubt you can go wrong with this fish tbh. I am just sick of it xD
We need a plan against it in the imo. Even though I think Mawile kills it no? Does Mawile win a Sucker God duel vs Aqua Jet?
You planning on trying stuff out?
Farig
Incine
Sinistcha
Mawile
Delphox
Last spot is up for grabs.
I feel like if we are playing dual modes with the team the last mon needs to be fast though. The problem with Delphox is that it gets completely rekt against Basculegion where Zard Y actially just solar beams it and it dies
We need something that hard counters this Basculegion problem
Hisui-Samurott??
Trick Room Mimikyu?
Or weavile?
Ok
Ive tested a few games with Sneasler in the last slot
And Ive won all three
Sneasler helps a lot with Delphox against Kingambit because you can quick guard a sucker punch and kill with combat
More fake out support is also nice
Mhm mhm
And last thing is, with Sneasler you can run an offensive Incin
But that dame basculegion tho
Was playing this
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Basc loses to Incin and Mawile under trick room
Dw the last mon is fast
Sneasler goes pretty quick :P
Basculegion isnt really a problem
Cause darkest lariat will just always kill
Wave crash into incin is game tho no?
And if it’s sash then they kill themselves with wave crash
Over throat chop?
Only if it’s a 1v1
Lariat is more damage and ignores arch stamina boosts
They run liquidation when sash
Beautiful
You also have Farig thunderbolt
Im about to go to bed
So yeah give the team I just put there a go!
Are you willing to play this team a little more for a review?
Yeah I will
I think it might be pretty good haha
Lemme know when you are done ;-;
Will do!
Are you in Master Ball yet?
Yep
I got there in one day of this season lol
Oh shoot, what's your elo?
I got top 5k last season
Not bad ngl
Like 1700 cause I haven’t played very much
Oh also not bad
I’ll get higher when I play more
Alright, run the team lemme know what you think
Will do! Have a good night friend
I really need to sleep. A session where your head is such a mess that you gotta take a break is usually enough to know if the team is worth the try or not
KEKW
I am very looking forward to this!!
It will be fun!
Thank you so so much!!
GOOD MORNING!
Do we have a verdict? 🤔
Yeah I’ve played it a whole bunch!
I AM EXCITED NOW
Ive found that I’m using Mawile a lot more than Delphox
Okay?
Delphox is still really good but it’s mainly a matchup check
Also sneasler is definitely good here
So we stick with this line up?
Really good partner for Delphox
Ye
So for the TR mode youll bring the mons that arent Delphox and Sneasler unless you specifically think other stuff will be better
Leading Farig and Incin is like 75% of games on its own
And you have a good amount of support Pokémon to choose from to help Delphox with
So yeah it’s been really fun to play, I’d recommend giving it a go!
If you haven’t already
How many games have you played and what would you say was your win rate?
I am quite excited to play it but I am not confident I have what it takes to pilot it well. Kinda scared ngl. Maybe you could help me pilot it?
Win rate was probably like 60% cause I was learning the team
But yeah I can help! Can’t call atm but feel free to send me videos
Currently at work but definitely can message and talk whenever I am a little more free
Out of how many games?
Like 30?
That's a lot man wow
Where did you reach on Master Ball?
Lemme know when you are free my good sir
Oh right, about the spread. Are they optimal already?
Got up to 1790
I think so yes
If something changes I’ll let you know
Not bad at all!
Giving the team a go today! Going for that grind!
You got it
Let me know if you need help
Imma be probably grinding for a while tonight. Imma tell you about it tomorrow if sum weird
Imma be studying the spreads at work
Leading with Incine and Farig. How do you remove your Incine and get a safe switch into Mawile? By the time we get to switch her in Trick Room is almost up and we are under massive pressure.
I think the best way to do this is to set uo Trick Room with Mawile already on the board with a protect. But this is not consistent. I think for this strat Staraptor is a great idea. Using it as a bait could serve as a great way to go for the Mawile Swap in also
Or we could just bait with it and then lead with Mawile directly. 🤔
The way I usually do it is you can parting shot turn one, do it when you think it will be safe, OR
You just use Incin as a suidice attacker
Life Orb and flare blitz will drain your health very quickly and it will more than likely pick up at least one kill
Hmm.. I see the idea. I believe if the damage output is significant enough the trick room is put to good use. It's similar to the Farig + Kang lead. Except this one gives you the ability to pivot and to deal damage
I see...
Yeah exactly
Still reauires quite a bit of skill for this though. And I am not quite there yet
uhh yeah it kinda does haha
I have been dealing with a level of hax that really rekt me yesterday xD
Today is a new day COPIUM
yikes
I believe in you
8 crits out of 10 matches, all being relevant, 4 flinches in a single game. 1 crit that OHKOs my Delphox while the scarf Chomp was -4... Right after 2 flinches and one Heat Wave miss
What am I playing, Sparkles...? I wanna off myself
I am thinking maybe going the Zard route?
Not sure tbh
I think I kinda need a second spread move damage output. Either Sylveon or Torkoal. Or both
Either I go with a Trick Room + Tailwind build or Hard hard trick room with a secondary massive damage output...
I need help D:
Sorry I was having dinner
Hmm
We finna dine on their souls xD
I actually used Mawile Zard at a tournament today, went 5-2, but I thought you didn't want to do that?
Also yes Sylveon might be really good here
Lowkey feel like I kinda do at this point =/
While I do love Delphox, it's just so fragile to a lot of things without support. Without Sneasler by her side Dark moves and Basculegio puts way too much pressure
I agree with this
The second mode of the team is not enough to support Delphox fully
I think it is but it's really difficult
So once Sneasler faints, it's lowkey game over
And only against certain teams
I can show what I was running?
That's the thing...
Go ahead let's see
https://pokepast.es/9b9958bf68cc6f66
Star of the show was definitely Sylveon
Yeeeee, you cannot really go wrong with this tbh XD
I didn't put rock slide on Mawile cause I wanted iron head for floette and I have chomp for zard
Trick room became very much a secondary mode
That's usually how it is when you have Zard. It's just way too broken
yup
Is there a world where we swap Chomp for Incin?
The Sun of Zard justifies it no?
I mean you could do that, and then put Rock Slide on Mawile?
I think it could work, yeah 🤔
But then you lose out on a big part of the Zard mode
We then fully use Mawile as primary option no?
That's what I am saying
I mean you could do that yeah
Idk if it would be any better, but it's worth trying
I might not though cause I'm refining this team haha
In the last format I played my Zard max HP max SPATK. It would still outspeed under Tailwind and work under trick room
I found it quite nice
That's interesting
I make my Zard have just enough speed to go faster than neutral Basc, and enough damage to kill it with solar beam
Then a lot of bulk
Basc sure is annoying as hell
Well..
Incin instead of Mawile...
Hmmmmmmm
Instead of chomp you mean?
NGL I am liking your team quite a bit
Yeyeye Chomp sorry
It would be a lot easier to pilot and a looooot less frustrating that's for sure
I still need to refine the spreads though
thanks haha
I think I am going to explore the speed tiers of the trick room and tailwind today during off hours at work
It's worth looking into
Is Champion tier unlocked already?
It is! It's something I did a while back
And yeah there's champion tier
What's min to get up atm?
Also, accept my damn friend request XD
I am enjoying the theory crafting with you
I did
No idea haha
I got up to 2010 last season and didn't reach it
2150
Is the lowest in I’ve seen
Good heavens ain't no way I make it up there this season... Big Sadge...
Beautiful
How your mega mawile adventure going?
Absolutely LOVING this team. With the swap of Incin, Mawile gets to be played a lot more. It catches people off guard so much that one Flare Blitz is enough to win the game sometimes. The Lorb just carries! Just managed to play it a little but for the little I played, I can tell you I love it!
I am so glad to hear it haha
An absolutely brutal team! I gotta admit however, the Zard mode is quite weak on the ladder now with the Incin tweak however. We gotta keep that in mind. Incine 2 shotting Zard under the sun is just... Insane xD
I feel like there are some tweaks here and there that se could do. For example I feel like our Sylveon doesn't hit hard enough. But I am not sure. Regardless, team is insane
Good good! I did say that Zard would be more difficult to use that way haha
But yeah glad it's going well!
It's a little harder to use now indeed...
One thing though...
Toxapex... 😰
oh true we took out garchomp
Still haven't stumbled upon it yet, but it's all over the ladder on the top. I am still quite low so for now it's okay
🤔
I don't think it's THAT common, but fair
Hmm... I am just thinking about how I will react when I stumble upon Pex on high ladder xD
yeah 'd say just hit it with incin lariat and solar beam and hope for the best
I think I don't really have a choice here xD
