Build a Mega Mawile Trick Room Team | VGC Strategy Guide
Summary
The Pokémon Champions | VGC Battles & Tournaments server is hosting a collaborative discussion on building a competitive Mega Mawile Trick Room team. This thread explores effective core pairings, such as utilizing Farigiraf and Incineroar, while addressing the challenges of single-target attackers. It is a great resource for players looking to transition from 6v6 formats to VGC and experiment with new team archetypes.
I am still kinda new to VGC and while I do have quite a bit of knowledge in Pokemon I use to play solo 6v6 which is completely different from VGC.
I am requesting the help of Team Builders for a Mawile team, preferably not something seen online and more something that we can build together. Your help would be very appreciated!
and sorry for the ping, just wondering if you guys could give me a hand
Hi there
I am a HUGE Mawile fan, so I can help you here
Mawile is really strong when paired with Incin and Farigiraf to set up trick room and position in a way that Mawile can pretty much just kill everything
You can put it with all kinds of secondary modes and other mons
Like you can can make the other 3 Pokémon a rain thing with Swampert for when TR doesn’t work, you can double down and just add more TR mons, and so on
I currently use a slower Zard Y as a way of combatting rain teams and other stuff that TR doesnt sk well against
So depending on what you have, it’s pretty much up to you with how you want to build the team!
Give out some ideas and we can work from there
Although I do have to sleep now so I’ll look at this in the morning!
OMG thank you so much for giving me a hand! While I do understand that Mawile is a power house, I have been having a really really hard time using her since she is a single target Mon. I play "Protect The King" very well but it doesn't work so well with Mawile.
I definitely think I want to go for a secondary Mega that covers up Mawile's weaknesses. But I am not too sure about the speed control. I managed to reach quite high in M-A with:
Farigiraf
Chomp
Kang
Mega Zard
Mega Floette
Aerodactyl
A double mode team with Tailwind and Trickroom. I was very good at it reached around 1900 while not being really serious. But I want to change for something I do not master too much to explore my skill ceiling.
So I am open to lots of ideas. I am already good at protect the King but I want to also play something I like. 🤔
Quite the connundrum since I have been trying out known teams and man.. I am having a really hard time with them. That's why I would much rather build something with the help of pros out here
I agree with what the person above said concept wise. Mawile get intimidate in base form so pairing it with another intimidate user is a smart move. Im not a huge Incineroar fan but any pokemon should be considered when teambuilding. That being said, incin and mawile together creates a bit of a problem against earthquake users like garchomp if they make a smart play and avoid the double attack drop. That doesnt mean they dont work well together, but while you teambuild, it'll be important to keep track of type Synergy with your team.
Farigaraf would be an interesting choice as a trick room setter. The main argument for it is to stop priority moves. The most common ones right now are sucker punch and fake out. Farig isnt necessary for mawile to stay protected as you can always protect turn 1 to avoid a fake out or run upper hand on a fast pokemon like greninja. Farig is important for protecting ghost/Psychic types though if you add one as a 2nd mega. Bullet punch is also a possible priority move youd see from scizor or mega metagross and aqua jet from basculegion. Just some things to keep in mind while you weigh the pros and cons of each team member.
If you want to try a protect the king strategy, its pretty popular to run a sinistcha for hospitality heals and incin, grimmsnarl or maushold for support.
My suggestion would be to first find a trick room setter you like next to Mawile. There is Farigaraf like mentioned above, Oranguru if you wanna use instruct on mawile and have it attack twice instead of your trick room setter, Aromatisse as a trick room setter has an ability that prevents encore, taunt and disable from being used on your side of the battlefield as well to shut down Prankster strategies, and both forms of cofagrigus and spiritomb offer some different type and bulk for trick room setters.
On the note of aromatisses ability, alcremie gets the same ability and can use decorate on an ally through protect to double both attack stats. It doesnt get trick room however so with that youd pretty mych be trying to sucker punch everything. Not super great with mawile but it's good to know your options. Coaching could also be used through protect to boost mawiles attack and defense and thats learned by most fighting types.
For me the trio of Incin, Farig and Mawile makes a lot of sense. Thinking about swapping Incin for Grimsnarl perhaps since it gived Mawile a lot of protection but it feels a little too passive? I want the team to be able to swap between protect the king and having at least some kind of secondary damage that allows me to actually play the game even if Mawile faints 🤔
I am currently stumbling upon an insane amount of:
Zard + Chomp
Basculegion
Rain Teams with Pert + Archaludon
And most specifically the latest Team Zang posted this morning, Mega Raichu Y + Milotic
Those are definitely things we ABSOLUTLELY need to consider working on the team IMO. I think Mawile has a hafd time dealing with Rain, Zard and Raichu + Milotic. We need to find some kind of solution for that.
As a secondary Mega I am thinking perhaps Mega Dragonite?
This is hard to respond to haha. You started by saying that the trio of incin, farig and mawile makes sense then listed 6 or 7 of the most commonly used pokemon you struggle against. That would imply that that trio doesnt make sense because you are then trying to cover at least 6 other pokemon with your last 3. Farig could stay but incin has to go. Scrafty would be a better option as another intimidate user with offensive pressure. The problem with incin and mawile is they dont synergize well together. Especially with no assault vest in this game. Incin prefers to be paired with ironically more meta threats. Incin and mega gengar for example form a perfect pair in a perish trap team. A meta pokemon that I feel synergizes perfectly with mawile is Sinistcha. The hospitality heals, life Dew, rage powder, Macha Gotcha and ability to set trick room make it a great counter for your rain team problems. Especially since the only real threat to mawile in a rain team is mega swampert or mega Riachu Y and kinda archaludon with electro shot. A yache berry for weakening ice moves would help live ice punch from swampert and give you a chance to bring it against snow teams which mawile performs great against. The rest of the team should help you counter sun teams, especially your 2nd mega cause thats what mawile is worst against. Mega pyroar and Charizard y eat it alive and those teams usually have garchomp too. Mega Dragonite isnt a bad idea for a sun team counter, just gotta figure out the garchomp match up against it. Having a fast ice beam user works in that scenario but you also have to figure out if you're gonna go hard trick room or mixed speed tiers with tailwind and trick room. Also, kinda random thought cause I havent calced it yet, but I have a feeling a max attack mega mawile OKHOs mega raichu y with a sucker punch just cause of how frail it is
Hmm... So Mega Mawile and Farig. We agree on that. You suggested Scrafty. But I doubt Mega Scrafty solves our problems against sun and such. We definitely need a solution against Milotic... Am I doomed to take Mega Zard Y again? I mean I don't mind but I would have liked something else. Let's not forget how Zard Y does not solve the problem or Chomp though 🤔
Nor Aerodactyle
I think Dragonite is not bad here with something like Ice Beam
Thoughts about a Final Gambit Staraptor as suicide lead?
Yeah scrafty was just a random suggestion and mega scrafty wouldnt be great here. I agree with dragonite. Both base form and mega dragonite are useful for the sun problem. Final gambit staraptor or annhilape are both solid suicide leads. Staraptor could set up tailwind. Annhilape has more health for higher damage final gambit and is a very common protect the king pokemon. Ive played teams where they literally just support an annhilape with sinistcha and maushold. I think both are great options depending on if you want more support or more offensive pressure
I am quite good at protect the king. I do believe that it would be better for me to master the ability to exert offensive pressure with other mons too.
Just for the record how high have you managed to reach in Champions?
If we got Staraptor Final Gambit we would have to go with the scarf and it would get stuck on tailwind
Not necessarily but scarf does give the best chance of getting max damage final gambit so it does create a bit of a dilemma
It does indeed 🤔
And I split time between showdown and champions. I usually just go for master ball tier in both singles and doubles when a new season drops then play showdown if im prepping for a tournament. Im a streamer and play more than just pokemon so Im not grinding the ladder all the time but ive been playing competitively since ORAS came out. I like this meta a lot more than CHALK which was about all you saw back then. I also came from a background in 6v6 singles in showdown tournaments where people would ask to buy my team after tourny wins but then i moved towards doubles when sun and moon came out. I really want Pallosand and weakness policy to get added to champions so I can run my weakness policy water compaction pallosand next to my water shuriken greninja. It still wont be the same though without mat block and battle bond greninja but that team was my favorite. Anyways, back to the teambuilding.
Impressive!
So so far, youve settled on farigaraf and mega mawile. I think sinistcha would be a good third and dragonite a good 4th pick. Do you want mega dragonite or a different mega
Thinking about a Slowking Chilly Reception Blizzard Tech for Dragonite to go Blizzard
Mega Mawile
Mega Dragonite
Sinitcha definitely
Farig
I have done that with mega greninja blizzard and it works really well. Just have to watch out for dark moves which mawile switches on perfectly
Slowking also is great at being both bulky support and packing some damage
Thinking about Slowking and Staraptor. I am thinking the final Gambit Staraptor is great but won't last on high ladders. People will see it coming from afar. No idea how good it's going to be. So I am not sure about that. I am thinking about more of a fake out user who can easily swap out.
Fake Out Kang with Last resort waa goated at that. But I wanna get out of my comfort zone
I love that set for Kang, i called mine mama roach and ran that in singles the first season in champions. I think the problem you have like you just said is both those mons are one dimensional and predictable, even if they do their job very well. Greninja is my favorite Swiss army knife pokemon to add to a team. Put a sash on it and it can handle any problem you have. I use mine to counter garchomps with ice beam. Protean makes it so you always get stab and you can run it physical, special, mixed or as support. Rock slide on it takes care of charizard. Upper hand counters every fake out user and sucker punch kingambit. It always flinches but has a pretty high skill cap to use effectively cause you have to predict a priority move incoming. It also gets haze and taunt and u-turn and flip turn so it can swap out too but it doesnt get fake out which is what you said youd be looking for. Let me look up the list of fake out pokemon really quick
Honestly still considering Incine as a lead mon tbh
Fake out + Trick Room, parting shot
What do you think?
You can play test it out, the list of fake out pokemon with offensive pressure is pretty short in this game. Cause you're pretty much picking between sableye, grimmsnarl and incin on that end for the more meta picks. One that I found interesting would be a mega lopunny but it doesn't work with the trick room and you have mega dragonite so the options are pretty limited. Picking incin is more so just cause it fills that last role better than most the other pokemon available. It feels better to add it in at the end too after figuring out the rest of the team
Cause while it doesnt synergize perfectly with your megas, it does protect farig and sinistcha pretty well as well as slowking if you decide to add that in
I do want to add thr Slowking and play it. It feels quite gimmicky and I really want to test it out tbh
Mentioned that it works quite well for him, maybe Incin here works nicely
Yeah it does well with your two support pokemon
Just have one more spot to fill
what do you think of this line up?
Farig
Incin
Sinistcha
Slowking
Mega Mawile
Mega Dragonite?
If we choose to drop Slowking we couod go for offensive pressure with Primarina
I think thats pretty solid to be honest. You could play test it and decide if you want slowking or not for the last spot. I dont know what your team is gonna struggle against yet
Thats a good idea
Primarina is pretty solid, I definitely think a water type is good here for the last spot. Maybe even milotic
Ceruledge is a PAIN IN THE BUTT
Or rotom wash is an option too for levitate and electric damage + will o wisp
But hydro pump is a bit iffy
Primarina and milotic both make a lot of sense though
Oh you think Milotic could work? 🤔
Yeah milotic is really good in the current meta with good bulk and offensive stats. Haze would help against mega staraptor/other set up shenanigans, any ice move for garchomp and scald is a great move. And gets a lot of good support like hypnosis and life Dew. Plus you could run an alternate strategy with it where you dragon cheer your dragonite and run Draco meteor because the crit ignores attack drops. The hardest part is probably just figuring out a moveset and ev build
Dragon chrer?? What do we have here?!
It boosts your teammates crit by one stage or 2 stages if they are a dragon type
Would that ge a guaranteed crit?
No cause it technically hits stage 3 after that (every move starts at stage one besides crit boosted moves) stage 3 is 50% and stage 4 is 100% chance
Thinking about it and I kinda think Primarina is better? I feel like it puts a lot more offensive pressure with the Hyper Voice
And you cant use dragon cheer more than once on the same pokemon.
Feels too gimmicky. I am quite unluckers with those
Yeah, primarina with liquid voice hits like a truck
God knows how much I despise this Pokemon
It is gimmicky, primarina would be more consistent
Would give us an easier time against those Ceruledges and pehaps also help against opposing Milotics. Ever sincr Cybertron posted this video it has been going crazy on the ladder
But we could drop the Blizzard + Chilly co bo though. It felt nice
I believe it. I would also consider a rock type if primarina doesnt work. Covers similar things with better matches into charizard. The best way to figure out what you want is to test the team. Build what feels good to you off what we talked about and make switches where needed
I do think we still need to fine tune here. idea is needed
Farigiraf
Incineroar
Sinistcha
Primarina
Mega Mawile
Mega Dragonite
Just gotta wait for them to wake up haha. But yeah this is a pretty rough draft. A lot of teams start out like that when you're building your own. I make so many changes after play testing and finding specific weaknesses
The hard part now is figuring out moves, items and ev spreads
The moves should be okay, but spread is going to be rough
Playing under trick room for me mostly involves max health and max atk/spatk
That’s really interesting
I’ll read up further, but what is slow king doing here?
Ok there’s a few things here
So basically, you actually do NOT want to run intimidate an Mawile, because Hyper Cutter means Incin doesn’t get a free lead or switch in until you mega evolve
And you can always kill Incin with a helping hand play rough pretty much
Farig will also always be the best partner for the Incin Mawile core because beating sneasler fake out and having helping hand are both really nice
Because then you don’t need to use a turn on SD for Mawile, you can just kill anything anyways
Farig + Incin is a super good lead, then you can bring Mawile in the back with either another TR mon or something else if you think the room won’t be up for long enough
Staraptor could absolutely work, but it only works next to Farig and it’s pretty predictable. But turning the battle into a 3v3 is definitely something you can win if you get any threats to Mawile out of the way early
So basically you need an actual plan for the second mode of this team, and I’m not quite seeing it with dragonite (mostly cause there is no rain)
Yeah Mawile is a little difficult cause it needs super careful positioning with the support mons (which is why Incin is so nice)
But you can almost always live at least one neutral hit so if push comes to shove you should be able to just brute force the turn of you absolutely need to
Mawile does also love Lorb Garchomp earthquake after intimidate
Hmm...
Well Dragonite is a toolbox which kinda covers the problems of Mawile. With a Slowbro running Trick Room and Curious Medicine, it becomes slow enough to rotate in something with Dragonite, enable a 100% Accurate Blizzard or it ensures always 100% power Drago Meteors. No idea if that's good enough though. That would be the second plan of the team, not really a mode per say since it would still be a trick room team
I like the idea but I feel like it wouldn't last long high ladder
So yeah, that was the idea behind the slowking
Correct haha
I do get the idea
But I feel like it’s a lot of setup for something that other Pokémon can do better with less setup
I do appreciate that Dragonite can do those things, but as you said it’s not really good enough to warrant the mega slot
Hmm.. What would be a secondary Mega in your opinion that could cover for Mawile? I initially thought of Drampa. But it's not that great after testing. That normal typing play against it often
But maybe I am not playing it properly?
Drampa means youre hard committing to Trick Room, so if that doesn’t work youre just cooked
I really like Zard Y because you can pretty much just chuck in other good Pokémon and it works
I am so so sick of Charizard Y xD
My current team is actually more of a Zard team really, Mawile is there if it’s you mg to work
So it’s up to you if you want to commit to TR mor or you want to make the other Mega a secondary mode
Doesn’t have to be Zard Y
I was gonna suggest Delphox, but Delphox is just too fast for Trick Room
Delphox is actually really good
For a not tr mode
Because Incin is also helpful in supporting a nasty plot sweep, then you can play Sinistcha as well
Hmm.. So you wanna have a trick room and none trick room mode.. This is what I played before though
I can make a team quickly, Ive actually done that before
Well yeah but it’s cool
:P
Delphox is awesome
Farig
Incin
Sinitcha
Mawile
Delphox
Yes!
When it doesn't miss heatwave? Really cool ye
So you have a choice here
You can bring another trick room mon for that mode, another support mon if you really want, or you can bring a backup fast offense mon
I’d probably do another TR mon
Cause your current three support (Incin Sinis and Farig) are really good at helping Delphox win
As well as Mawile under TR
Hmm.. We are still super vulnerable to Milotics, Ceruledges, Garchomps and also other Zards though
Mawile beats both Zard and Garchomp
Which are two of Delphoxes bad matchups
Cause you run rock slide and play rough
Ceruledge dies to rock slide and a Farig attack
How does Mawile beat those two? Heatwave rekts it and eathquake completely shreds it
So we run rock slide on Mawile
Hmm...
Yep
Milotic could be a bit of an issue though you right
I mean
Does Mawile survive an eq from Lorb Chomp?
Sinistcha kinda walls it
Yes lol
This is a big kinda
Yeah it’s epic
So how does it deal with both?
🤔
If it’s both at once
You have to either rock slide the Zard and kill the chomp after
Oh so it survives
Yes
We'd have to make sure the Mawile is not "damaged"
Yeah it lives on like 5%
Does not live heat wave though
What would be the set of Mawile?
Play Rough
Sucker Punch
Rock Slide
Protect
?
Exactly this!
Lemme guess, a Mawile Rock Slide deals more DMG than an Aerodactyle?
This has to be a joke right? 😭
It deals WAY more
Like I’m pretty sure helping hand rock slide one shots incineroar
Holy Shit
Mawile is silly like that
Opposing Floettes?
🤔
Play rough just kills it
Without any Helping Hand?
I don’t remember haha
It absolutely kills with HH
We can make the last mon something to help with Floette if you think it will be an issue
I don't really think so tbh
Yeah I’m the same haha
Hmm...
What do you think of Torkoal?
What could that last mon be though? I don't wanna go the Aerodactyl Taunt route again. I would be playing the exact same team xD
Lmao
Could work but not a big fan
Fair me neither
Whimsicott with Tailwind and Encore pressure?
Too passive no?
Yeah doesn’t really work
Tbh
Hmm...
Kingambit could be good
Would help a lot against other trick room teams
Feels lwk redundant 🤔
Milotic?
What would Milo be doing?
Coil
Muddy Water
Hypnosis
🫣
I be toxic like that
Lmao
I mean it could honestly work
Here's the deal. I have an Aggron team which i LOVE playing. I use curse on it instead of Iron defense. I go Amnesia with Farig and Baton Pass it in. It's AMAZING. But.. Man one single takes 15 mins. I just can't 😅
I wanna build something for the ladder
I am not sure 🤔
What about basculegion?
A slower bulky one
With swift swim for rain
Here's one Mon I really like, Goodra. I played it last season and in the right team it's just so good. It tanks Zard Y hella well, it is not scared of EQ from Chomp. It gets Toxic... Love it xD AND Life Dew.
It won me so many games on its own. People are just not ready for it. And it's just so cute but so so so deadly xD
Goodra is wild
Honestly
You play it too?
Just give some stuff a try
I don’t use goodra haha
I’ll come back after I’ve tried some things
I doubt you can go wrong with this fish tbh. I am just sick of it xD
We need a plan against it in the imo. Even though I think Mawile kills it no? Does Mawile win a Sucker God duel vs Aqua Jet?
You planning on trying stuff out?
Farig
Incine
Sinistcha
Mawile
Delphox
Last spot is up for grabs.
I feel like if we are playing dual modes with the team the last mon needs to be fast though. The problem with Delphox is that it gets completely rekt against Basculegion where Zard Y actially just solar beams it and it dies
We need something that hard counters this Basculegion problem
Hisui-Samurott??
Trick Room Mimikyu?
Or weavile?
Ok
Ive tested a few games with Sneasler in the last slot
And Ive won all three
Sneasler helps a lot with Delphox against Kingambit because you can quick guard a sucker punch and kill with combat
More fake out support is also nice
Mhm mhm
And last thing is, with Sneasler you can run an offensive Incin
But that dame basculegion tho
Was playing this
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Basc loses to Incin and Mawile under trick room
Dw the last mon is fast
Sneasler goes pretty quick :P
Basculegion isnt really a problem
Cause darkest lariat will just always kill
Wave crash into incin is game tho no?
And if it’s sash then they kill themselves with wave crash
Over throat chop?
Only if it’s a 1v1
Lariat is more damage and ignores arch stamina boosts
They run liquidation when sash
Beautiful
You also have Farig thunderbolt
Im about to go to bed
So yeah give the team I just put there a go!
Are you willing to play this team a little more for a review?
Yeah I will
I think it might be pretty good haha
Lemme know when you are done ;-;
Will do!
Are you in Master Ball yet?
Yep
I got there in one day of this season lol
Oh shoot, what's your elo?
I got top 5k last season
Not bad ngl
Like 1700 cause I haven’t played very much
Oh also not bad
I’ll get higher when I play more
Alright, run the team lemme know what you think
Will do! Have a good night friend
I really need to sleep. A session where your head is such a mess that you gotta take a break is usually enough to know if the team is worth the try or not
KEKW
I am very looking forward to this!!
It will be fun!
Thank you so so much!!
GOOD MORNING!
Do we have a verdict? 🤔
Yeah I’ve played it a whole bunch!
I AM EXCITED NOW
Ive found that I’m using Mawile a lot more than Delphox
Okay?
Delphox is still really good but it’s mainly a matchup check
Also sneasler is definitely good here
So we stick with this line up?
Really good partner for Delphox
Ye
So for the TR mode youll bring the mons that arent Delphox and Sneasler unless you specifically think other stuff will be better
Leading Farig and Incin is like 75% of games on its own
And you have a good amount of support Pokémon to choose from to help Delphox with
So yeah it’s been really fun to play, I’d recommend giving it a go!
If you haven’t already
How many games have you played and what would you say was your win rate?
I am quite excited to play it but I am not confident I have what it takes to pilot it well. Kinda scared ngl. Maybe you could help me pilot it?
Win rate was probably like 60% cause I was learning the team
But yeah I can help! Can’t call atm but feel free to send me videos
Currently at work but definitely can message and talk whenever I am a little more free
Out of how many games?
Like 30?
That's a lot man wow
Where did you reach on Master Ball?
Lemme know when you are free my good sir
Oh right, about the spread. Are they optimal already?
Got up to 1790
I think so yes
If something changes I’ll let you know
Not bad at all!
Giving the team a go today! Going for that grind!
You got it
Let me know if you need help
Imma be probably grinding for a while tonight. Imma tell you about it tomorrow if sum weird
Imma be studying the spreads at work
Leading with Incine and Farig. How do you remove your Incine and get a safe switch into Mawile? By the time we get to switch her in Trick Room is almost up and we are under massive pressure.
I think the best way to do this is to set uo Trick Room with Mawile already on the board with a protect. But this is not consistent. I think for this strat Staraptor is a great idea. Using it as a bait could serve as a great way to go for the Mawile Swap in also
Or we could just bait with it and then lead with Mawile directly. 🤔
The way I usually do it is you can parting shot turn one, do it when you think it will be safe, OR
You just use Incin as a suidice attacker
Life Orb and flare blitz will drain your health very quickly and it will more than likely pick up at least one kill
Hmm.. I see the idea. I believe if the damage output is significant enough the trick room is put to good use. It's similar to the Farig + Kang lead. Except this one gives you the ability to pivot and to deal damage
I see...
Yeah exactly
Still reauires quite a bit of skill for this though. And I am not quite there yet
uhh yeah it kinda does haha
I have been dealing with a level of hax that really rekt me yesterday xD
Today is a new day COPIUM
yikes
I believe in you
8 crits out of 10 matches, all being relevant, 4 flinches in a single game. 1 crit that OHKOs my Delphox while the scarf Chomp was -4... Right after 2 flinches and one Heat Wave miss
What am I playing, Sparkles...? I wanna off myself
I am thinking maybe going the Zard route?
Not sure tbh
I think I kinda need a second spread move damage output. Either Sylveon or Torkoal. Or both
Either I go with a Trick Room + Tailwind build or Hard hard trick room with a secondary massive damage output...
I need help D:
Sorry I was having dinner
Hmm
We finna dine on their souls xD
I actually used Mawile Zard at a tournament today, went 5-2, but I thought you didn't want to do that?
Also yes Sylveon might be really good here
Lowkey feel like I kinda do at this point =/
While I do love Delphox, it's just so fragile to a lot of things without support. Without Sneasler by her side Dark moves and Basculegio puts way too much pressure
I agree with this
The second mode of the team is not enough to support Delphox fully
I think it is but it's really difficult
So once Sneasler faints, it's lowkey game over
And only against certain teams
I can show what I was running?
That's the thing...
Go ahead let's see
https://pokepast.es/9b9958bf68cc6f66
Star of the show was definitely Sylveon
Yeeeee, you cannot really go wrong with this tbh XD
I didn't put rock slide on Mawile cause I wanted iron head for floette and I have chomp for zard
Trick room became very much a secondary mode
That's usually how it is when you have Zard. It's just way too broken
yup
Is there a world where we swap Chomp for Incin?
The Sun of Zard justifies it no?
I mean you could do that, and then put Rock Slide on Mawile?
I think it could work, yeah 🤔
But then you lose out on a big part of the Zard mode
We then fully use Mawile as primary option no?
That's what I am saying
I mean you could do that yeah
Idk if it would be any better, but it's worth trying
I might not though cause I'm refining this team haha
In the last format I played my Zard max HP max SPATK. It would still outspeed under Tailwind and work under trick room
I found it quite nice
That's interesting
I make my Zard have just enough speed to go faster than neutral Basc, and enough damage to kill it with solar beam
Then a lot of bulk
Basc sure is annoying as hell
Well..
Incin instead of Mawile...
Hmmmmmmm
Instead of chomp you mean?
NGL I am liking your team quite a bit
Yeyeye Chomp sorry
It would be a lot easier to pilot and a looooot less frustrating that's for sure
I still need to refine the spreads though
thanks haha
I think I am going to explore the speed tiers of the trick room and tailwind today during off hours at work
It's worth looking into
Is Champion tier unlocked already?
It is! It's something I did a while back
And yeah there's champion tier
What's min to get up atm?
Also, accept my damn friend request XD
I am enjoying the theory crafting with you
I did
No idea haha
I got up to 2010 last season and didn't reach it
2150
Is the lowest in I’ve seen
Good heavens ain't no way I make it up there this season... Big Sadge...
Beautiful
How your mega mawile adventure going?
Absolutely LOVING this team. With the swap of Incin, Mawile gets to be played a lot more. It catches people off guard so much that one Flare Blitz is enough to win the game sometimes. The Lorb just carries! Just managed to play it a little but for the little I played, I can tell you I love it!
I am so glad to hear it haha
An absolutely brutal team! I gotta admit however, the Zard mode is quite weak on the ladder now with the Incin tweak however. We gotta keep that in mind. Incine 2 shotting Zard under the sun is just... Insane xD
I feel like there are some tweaks here and there that se could do. For example I feel like our Sylveon doesn't hit hard enough. But I am not sure. Regardless, team is insane
Good good! I did say that Zard would be more difficult to use that way haha
But yeah glad it's going well!
It's a little harder to use now indeed...
One thing though...
Toxapex... 😰
oh true we took out garchomp
Still haven't stumbled upon it yet, but it's all over the ladder on the top. I am still quite low so for now it's okay
🤔
I don't think it's THAT common, but fair
Hmm... I am just thinking about how I will react when I stumble upon Pex on high ladder xD
yeah 'd say just hit it with incin lariat and solar beam and hope for the best
I think I don't really have a choice here xD
