Crea un equipo de Trick Room con Mega Mawile | Guía VGC
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El servidor Pokémon Champions | VGC Battles & Tournaments organiza un debate colaborativo sobre cómo crear un equipo competitivo de Trick Room con Mega Mawile. Este hilo explora combinaciones clave efectivas, como el uso de Farigiraf e Incineroar, mientras aborda los desafíos de los atacantes de objetivo único. Es un gran recurso para jugadores que buscan pasar de formatos 6v6 a VGC y experimentar con nuevos arquetipos de equipo.
Todavía soy algo nuevo en VGC y, aunque tengo bastantes conocimientos de Pokémon, solía jugar 6v6 individual, que es completamente diferente a VGC.
Solicito la ayuda de constructores de equipos para un equipo de Mawile, preferiblemente algo que no se vea online y más algo que podamos construir juntos. ¡Agradecería mucho su ayuda!
y perdón por el ping, solo me preguntaba si podrían echarme una mano
Hola
Soy un GRAN fan de Mawile, así que puedo ayudarte con esto
Mawile es muy fuerte cuando se combina con Incin y Farigiraf para poner Trick Room y posicionarse de manera que Mawile pueda prácticamente acabar con todo
Puedes ponerlo con todo tipo de modos secundarios y otros mons
Por ejemplo, puedes hacer que los otros 3 Pokémon sean un equipo de lluvia con Swampert para cuando TR no funcione, puedes apostar doble y añadir más mons de TR, etcétera
Actualmente uso un Zard Y más lento como forma de combatir equipos de lluvia y otras cosas contra las que TR no funciona bien
Así que, dependiendo de lo que tengas, ¡depende totalmente de ti cómo quieras construir el equipo!
Suelta algunas ideas y podemos trabajar a partir de ahí
¡Aunque tengo que dormir ahora, así que lo veré por la mañana!
¡OMG, muchas gracias por echarme una mano! Aunque entiendo que Mawile es una potencia, me ha costado muchísimo usarla ya que es un Mon de objetivo único. Juego muy bien a "Proteger al Rey", pero no funciona tan bien con Mawile.
Definitivamente creo que quiero ir a por una Mega secundaria que cubra las debilidades de Mawile. Pero no estoy muy seguro sobre el control de velocidad. Logré llegar bastante alto en M-A con:
Farigiraf
Chomp
Kang
Mega Zard
Mega Floette
Aerodactyl
Un equipo de modo doble con Tailwind y Trickroom. Era muy bueno en ello, llegué a alrededor de 1900 sin tomármelo muy en serio. Pero quiero cambiar a algo que no domine tanto para explorar mi límite de habilidad.
Así que estoy abierto a muchas ideas. Ya soy bueno en Proteger al Rey, pero quiero jugar también algo que me guste. 🤔
Todo un dilema, ya que he estado probando equipos conocidos y hombre... me está costando mucho con ellos. Por eso preferiría construir algo con la ayuda de los profesionales de aquí
Estoy de acuerdo con lo que dijo la persona de arriba en cuanto al concepto. Mawile obtiene Intimidate en su forma base, así que emparejarlo con otro usuario de Intimidate es un movimiento inteligente. No soy un gran fan de Incineroar, pero cualquier Pokémon debería ser considerado al construir equipos. Dicho esto, Incin y Mawile juntos crean un pequeño problema contra usuarios de Earthquake como Garchomp si hacen una jugada inteligente y evitan la bajada de ataque doble. Eso no significa que no funcionen bien juntos, pero mientras construyes el equipo, será importante hacer un seguimiento de la sinergia de tipos con tu equipo.
Farigiraf sería una opción interesante como setter de Trick Room. El argumento principal es detener los movimientos de prioridad. Los más comunes ahora mismo son Sucker Punch y Fake Out. Farig no es necesario para que Mawile se mantenga protegido, ya que siempre puedes usar Protect en el turno 1 para evitar un Fake Out o usar Upper Hand en un Pokémon rápido como Greninja. Sin embargo, Farig es importante para proteger a los tipos Fantasma/Psíquico si añades uno como segunda Mega. Bullet Punch es también un posible movimiento de prioridad que verías de Scizor o Mega Metagross y Aqua Jet de Basculegion. Solo algunas cosas a tener en cuenta mientras sopesas los pros y los contras de cada miembro del equipo.
Si quieres probar una estrategia de proteger al rey, es bastante popular usar un Sinistcha para curaciones de Hospitality e Incin, Grimmsnarl o Maushold para apoyo.
Mi sugerencia sería encontrar primero un setter de Trick Room que te guste junto a Mawile. Está Farigiraf como se mencionó arriba, Oranguru si quieres usar Instruct en Mawile y que ataque dos veces en lugar de tu setter de Trick Room, Aromatisse como setter de Trick Room tiene una habilidad que evita que Encore, Taunt y Disable se usen en tu lado del campo para detener estrategias de Prankster, y ambas formas de Cofagrigus y Spiritomb ofrecen diferentes tipos y volumen para los setters de Trick Room.
Sobre la habilidad de Aromatisse, Alcremie obtiene la misma habilidad y puede usar Decorate en un aliado a través de Protect para duplicar ambas estadísticas de ataque. Sin embargo, no obtiene Trick Room, así que con eso estarías intentando hacer Sucker Punch a todo. No es genial con Mawile, pero es bueno conocer tus opciones. Coaching también podría usarse a través de Protect para aumentar el ataque y la defensa de Mawile, y eso lo aprenden la mayoría de los tipos Lucha.
Para mí, el trío de Incin, Farig y Mawile tiene mucho sentido. Pensando en cambiar a Incin por Grimmsnarl quizás, ya que le da a Mawile mucha protección, ¿pero se siente un poco demasiado pasivo? Quiero que el equipo pueda cambiar entre proteger al rey y tener al menos algún tipo de daño secundario que me permita jugar realmente el juego incluso si Mawile cae 🤔
Actualmente me estoy encontrando con una cantidad increíble de:
Zard + Chomp
Basculegion
Equipos de lluvia con Pert + Archaludon
Y más específicamente el último equipo que Zang publicó esta mañana, Mega Raichu Y + Milotic
Esas son definitivamente cosas que ABSOLUTAMENTE debemos considerar trabajar en el equipo en mi opinión. Creo que Mawile tiene dificultades para lidiar con Lluvia, Zard y Raichu + Milotic. Necesitamos encontrar algún tipo de solución para eso.
Como Mega secundaria, ¿estoy pensando quizás en Mega Dragonite?
Es difícil responder a esto jaja. Empezaste diciendo que el trío de Incin, Farig y Mawile tiene sentido y luego enumeraste 6 o 7 de los Pokémon más usados contra los que tienes problemas. Eso implicaría que ese trío no tiene sentido porque entonces estás tratando de cubrir al menos otros 6 Pokémon con tus últimos 3. Farig podría quedarse, pero Incin tiene que irse. Scrafty sería una mejor opción como otro usuario de Intimidate con presión ofensiva. El problema con Incin y Mawile es que no tienen buena sinergia. Especialmente sin Assault Vest en este juego. Incin prefiere ser emparejado irónicamente con más amenazas del meta. Incin y Mega Gengar, por ejemplo, forman una pareja perfecta en un equipo de Perish Trap. Un Pokémon del meta que siento que tiene una sinergia perfecta con Mawile es Sinistcha. Las curaciones de Hospitality, Life Dew, Rage Powder, Macha Gotcha y la capacidad de poner Trick Room lo convierten en un gran contador para tus problemas con equipos de lluvia. Especialmente porque la única amenaza real para Mawile en un equipo de lluvia es Mega Swampert o Mega Raichu Y y algo así como Archaludon con Electro Shot. Una Yache Berry para debilitar los movimientos de hielo ayudaría a sobrevivir al Ice Punch de Swampert y te daría la oportunidad de llevarlo contra equipos de nieve, contra los que Mawile funciona muy bien. El resto del equipo debería ayudarte a contrarrestar los equipos de sol, especialmente tu segunda Mega, porque eso es contra lo que Mawile es peor. Mega Pyroar y Charizard Y se lo comen vivo y esos equipos suelen tener a Garchomp también. Mega Dragonite no es una mala idea para un contador de equipos de sol, solo hay que averiguar el enfrentamiento contra Garchomp. Tener un usuario de Ice Beam rápido funciona en ese escenario, pero también tienes que averiguar si vas a ir a por un Trick Room puro o niveles de velocidad mixtos con Tailwind y Trick Room. Además, un pensamiento un poco aleatorio porque no lo he calculado todavía, pero tengo la sensación de que un Mega Mawile con ataque máximo hace OHKO a Mega Raichu Y con un Sucker Punch solo por lo frágil que es
Hmm... Así que Mega Mawile y Farig. Estamos de acuerdo en eso. Sugeriste Scrafty. Pero dudo que Mega Scrafty resuelva nuestros problemas contra el sol y demás. Definitivamente necesitamos una solución contra Milotic... ¿Estoy condenado a llevar a Mega Zard Y de nuevo? Quiero decir, no me importa, pero me hubiera gustado otra cosa. ¡No olvidemos cómo Zard Y no resuelve el problema de Chomp tampoco 🤔
Ni Aerodactyl
Creo que Dragonite no está mal aquí con algo como Ice Beam
¿Pensamientos sobre un Staraptor con Final Gambit como suicida de inicio?
Sí, Scrafty fue solo una sugerencia al azar y Mega Scrafty no sería genial aquí. Estoy de acuerdo con Dragonite. Tanto la forma base como Mega Dragonite son útiles para el problema del sol. Staraptor con Final Gambit o Annihilape son ambos sólidos suicidas de inicio. Staraptor podría poner Tailwind. Annihilape tiene más salud para un Final Gambit de mayor daño y es un Pokémon muy común para proteger al rey. He jugado equipos donde literalmente solo apoyan a un Annihilape con Sinistcha y Maushold. Creo que ambos son excelentes opciones dependiendo de si quieres más apoyo o más presión ofensiva
Soy bastante bueno protegiendo al rey. Creo que sería mejor para mí dominar la capacidad de ejercer presión ofensiva con otros mons también.
Solo para que conste, ¿qué tan alto has logrado llegar en Champions?
Si conseguimos Staraptor con Final Gambit tendríamos que ir con el Scarf y se quedaría atrapado en Tailwind
No necesariamente, pero el Scarf da la mejor oportunidad de obtener el máximo daño con Final Gambit, así que crea un pequeño dilema
De hecho lo hace 🤔
Y divido el tiempo entre Showdown y Champions. Normalmente solo voy a por el nivel Master Ball tanto en individuales como en dobles cuando sale una nueva temporada, luego juego Showdown si me estoy preparando para un torneo. Soy streamer y juego a más cosas que solo Pokémon, así que no estoy moliendo la ladder todo el tiempo, pero he estado jugando competitivamente desde que salió ORAS. Me gusta mucho más este meta que CHALK, que era casi todo lo que veías en aquel entonces. También vengo de un trasfondo en individuales 6v6 en torneos de Showdown donde la gente pedía comprar mi equipo después de ganar torneos, pero luego me pasé a los dobles cuando salieron Sol y Luna. Realmente quiero que añadan a Palossand y Weakness Policy a Champions para poder usar mi Palossand con Water Compaction y Weakness Policy junto a mi Greninja con Water Shuriken. Aunque no será lo mismo sin Mat Block y Battle Bond Greninja, pero ese equipo era mi favorito. De todos modos, volvamos a la construcción del equipo.
¡Impresionante!
Así que hasta ahora, te has decidido por Farigiraf y Mega Mawile. Creo que Sinistcha sería un buen tercero y Dragonite una buena cuarta elección. ¿Quieres Mega Dragonite o una Mega diferente?
Pensando en una técnica de Slowking con Chilly Reception y Blizzard para que Dragonite use Blizzard
Mega Mawile
Mega Dragonite
Sinistcha definitivamente
Farig
He hecho eso con Mega Greninja y Blizzard y funciona muy bien. Solo hay que tener cuidado con los movimientos oscuros, a los que Mawile cambia perfectamente
Slowking también es genial siendo tanto apoyo voluminoso como teniendo algo de daño
Pensando en Slowking y Staraptor. Creo que el Staraptor con Final Gambit es genial pero no durará en las ladders altas. La gente lo verá venir desde lejos. Ni idea de lo bueno que va a ser. Así que no estoy seguro de eso. Estoy pensando más en un usuario de Fake Out que pueda cambiar fácilmente.
Kang con Fake Out y Last Resort era la cabra en eso. Pero quiero salir de mi zona de confort
Me encanta ese set para Kang, llamé al mío mama roach y lo usé en individuales la primera temporada en Champions. Creo que el problema que tienes, como acabas de decir, es que ambos mons son unidimensionales y predecibles, incluso si hacen su trabajo muy bien. Greninja es mi Pokémon navaja suiza favorito para añadir a un equipo. Ponle una Sash y puede manejar cualquier problema que tengas. Uso el mío para contrarrestar a Garchomps con Ice Beam. Protean hace que siempre obtengas STAB y puedes llevarlo físico, especial, mixto o como apoyo. Rock Slide en él se encarga de Charizard. Upper Hand contrarresta a cada usuario de Fake Out y Sucker Punch de Kingambit. Siempre hace retroceder pero tiene un límite de habilidad bastante alto para usarlo eficazmente porque tienes que predecir un movimiento de prioridad entrante. También obtiene Haze, Taunt, U-turn y Flip Turn, así que también puede cambiar, pero no obtiene Fake Out, que es lo que dijiste que estarías buscando. Déjame buscar la lista de Pokémon con Fake Out muy rápido
Honestamente, todavía considerando a Incin como un mon de inicio para ser honesto
Fake Out + Trick Room, Parting Shot
¿Qué opinas?
You can play test it out, the list of fake out pokemon with offensive pressure is pretty short in this game. Cause you're pretty much picking between sableye, grimmsnarl and incin on that end for the more meta picks. One that I found interesting would be a mega lopunny but it doesn't work with the trick room and you have mega dragonite so the options are pretty limited. Picking incin is more so just cause it fills that last role better than most the other pokemon available. It feels better to add it in at the end too after figuring out the rest of the team
Cause while it doesnt synergize perfectly with your megas, it does protect farig and sinistcha pretty well as well as slowking if you decide to add that in
I do want to add thr Slowking and play it. It feels quite gimmicky and I really want to test it out tbh
Mentioned that it works quite well for him, maybe Incin here works nicely
Yeah it does well with your two support pokemon
Just have one more spot to fill
what do you think of this line up?
Farig
Incin
Sinistcha
Slowking
Mega Mawile
Mega Dragonite?
If we choose to drop Slowking we couod go for offensive pressure with Primarina
I think thats pretty solid to be honest. You could play test it and decide if you want slowking or not for the last spot. I dont know what your team is gonna struggle against yet
Thats a good idea
Primarina is pretty solid, I definitely think a water type is good here for the last spot. Maybe even milotic
Ceruledge is a PAIN IN THE BUTT
Or rotom wash is an option too for levitate and electric damage + will o wisp
But hydro pump is a bit iffy
Primarina and milotic both make a lot of sense though
Oh you think Milotic could work? 🤔
Yeah milotic is really good in the current meta with good bulk and offensive stats. Haze would help against mega staraptor/other set up shenanigans, any ice move for garchomp and scald is a great move. And gets a lot of good support like hypnosis and life Dew. Plus you could run an alternate strategy with it where you dragon cheer your dragonite and run Draco meteor because the crit ignores attack drops. The hardest part is probably just figuring out a moveset and ev build
Dragon chrer?? What do we have here?!
It boosts your teammates crit by one stage or 2 stages if they are a dragon type
Would that ge a guaranteed crit?
No cause it technically hits stage 3 after that (every move starts at stage one besides crit boosted moves) stage 3 is 50% and stage 4 is 100% chance
Thinking about it and I kinda think Primarina is better? I feel like it puts a lot more offensive pressure with the Hyper Voice
And you cant use dragon cheer more than once on the same pokemon.
Feels too gimmicky. I am quite unluckers with those
Yeah, primarina with liquid voice hits like a truck
God knows how much I despise this Pokemon
It is gimmicky, primarina would be more consistent
Would give us an easier time against those Ceruledges and pehaps also help against opposing Milotics. Ever sincr Cybertron posted this video it has been going crazy on the ladder
But we could drop the Blizzard + Chilly co bo though. It felt nice
I believe it. I would also consider a rock type if primarina doesnt work. Covers similar things with better matches into charizard. The best way to figure out what you want is to test the team. Build what feels good to you off what we talked about and make switches where needed
I do think we still need to fine tune here. idea is needed
Farigiraf
Incineroar
Sinistcha
Primarina
Mega Mawile
Mega Dragonite
Just gotta wait for them to wake up haha. But yeah this is a pretty rough draft. A lot of teams start out like that when you're building your own. I make so many changes after play testing and finding specific weaknesses
The hard part now is figuring out moves, items and ev spreads
The moves should be okay, but spread is going to be rough
Playing under trick room for me mostly involves max health and max atk/spatk
That’s really interesting
I’ll read up further, but what is slow king doing here?
Ok there’s a few things here
So basically, you actually do NOT want to run intimidate an Mawile, because Hyper Cutter means Incin doesn’t get a free lead or switch in until you mega evolve
And you can always kill Incin with a helping hand play rough pretty much
Farig will also always be the best partner for the Incin Mawile core because beating sneasler fake out and having helping hand are both really nice
Because then you don’t need to use a turn on SD for Mawile, you can just kill anything anyways
Farig + Incin is a super good lead, then you can bring Mawile in the back with either another TR mon or something else if you think the room won’t be up for long enough
Staraptor could absolutely work, but it only works next to Farig and it’s pretty predictable. But turning the battle into a 3v3 is definitely something you can win if you get any threats to Mawile out of the way early
So basically you need an actual plan for the second mode of this team, and I’m not quite seeing it with dragonite (mostly cause there is no rain)
Yeah Mawile is a little difficult cause it needs super careful positioning with the support mons (which is why Incin is so nice)
But you can almost always live at least one neutral hit so if push comes to shove you should be able to just brute force the turn of you absolutely need to
Mawile does also love Lorb Garchomp earthquake after intimidate
Hmm...
Well Dragonite is a toolbox which kinda covers the problems of Mawile. With a Slowbro running Trick Room and Curious Medicine, it becomes slow enough to rotate in something with Dragonite, enable a 100% Accurate Blizzard or it ensures always 100% power Drago Meteors. No idea if that's good enough though. That would be the second plan of the team, not really a mode per say since it would still be a trick room team
I like the idea but I feel like it wouldn't last long high ladder
So yeah, that was the idea behind the slowking
Correct haha
I do get the idea
But I feel like it’s a lot of setup for something that other Pokémon can do better with less setup
I do appreciate that Dragonite can do those things, but as you said it’s not really good enough to warrant the mega slot
Hmm.. What would be a secondary Mega in your opinion that could cover for Mawile? I initially thought of Drampa. But it's not that great after testing. That normal typing play against it often
But maybe I am not playing it properly?
Drampa means youre hard committing to Trick Room, so if that doesn’t work youre just cooked
I really like Zard Y because you can pretty much just chuck in other good Pokémon and it works
I am so so sick of Charizard Y xD
My current team is actually more of a Zard team really, Mawile is there if it’s you mg to work
So it’s up to you if you want to commit to TR mor or you want to make the other Mega a secondary mode
Doesn’t have to be Zard Y
I was gonna suggest Delphox, but Delphox is just too fast for Trick Room
Delphox is actually really good
For a not tr mode
Because Incin is also helpful in supporting a nasty plot sweep, then you can play Sinistcha as well
Hmm.. So you wanna have a trick room and none trick room mode.. This is what I played before though
I can make a team quickly, Ive actually done that before
Well yeah but it’s cool
:P
Delphox is awesome
Farig
Incin
Sinitcha
Mawile
Delphox
Yes!
When it doesn't miss heatwave? Really cool ye
So you have a choice here
You can bring another trick room mon for that mode, another support mon if you really want, or you can bring a backup fast offense mon
I’d probably do another TR mon
Cause your current three support (Incin Sinis and Farig) are really good at helping Delphox win
As well as Mawile under TR
Hmm.. We are still super vulnerable to Milotics, Ceruledges, Garchomps and also other Zards though
Mawile beats both Zard and Garchomp
Which are two of Delphoxes bad matchups
Cause you run rock slide and play rough
Ceruledge dies to rock slide and a Farig attack
How does Mawile beat those two? Heatwave rekts it and eathquake completely shreds it
So we run rock slide on Mawile
Hmm...
Yep
Milotic could be a bit of an issue though you right
I mean
Does Mawile survive an eq from Lorb Chomp?
Sinistcha kinda walls it
Yes lol
This is a big kinda
Yeah it’s epic
So how does it deal with both?
🤔
If it’s both at once
You have to either rock slide the Zard and kill the chomp after
Oh so it survives
Yes
We'd have to make sure the Mawile is not "damaged"
Yeah it lives on like 5%
Does not live heat wave though
What would be the set of Mawile?
Play Rough
Sucker Punch
Rock Slide
Protect
?
Exactly this!
Lemme guess, a Mawile Rock Slide deals more DMG than an Aerodactyle?
This has to be a joke right? 😭
It deals WAY more
Like I’m pretty sure helping hand rock slide one shots incineroar
Holy Shit
Mawile is silly like that
Opposing Floettes?
🤔
Play rough just kills it
Without any Helping Hand?
I don’t remember haha
It absolutely kills with HH
We can make the last mon something to help with Floette if you think it will be an issue
I don't really think so tbh
Yeah I’m the same haha
Hmm...
What do you think of Torkoal?
What could that last mon be though? I don't wanna go the Aerodactyl Taunt route again. I would be playing the exact same team xD
Lmao
Could work but not a big fan
Fair me neither
Whimsicott with Tailwind and Encore pressure?
Too passive no?
Yeah doesn’t really work
Tbh
Hmm...
Kingambit could be good
Would help a lot against other trick room teams
Feels lwk redundant 🤔
Milotic?
What would Milo be doing?
Coil
Muddy Water
Hypnosis
🫣
I be toxic like that
Lmao
I mean it could honestly work
Here's the deal. I have an Aggron team which i LOVE playing. I use curse on it instead of Iron defense. I go Amnesia with Farig and Baton Pass it in. It's AMAZING. But.. Man one single takes 15 mins. I just can't 😅
I wanna build something for the ladder
I am not sure 🤔
What about basculegion?
A slower bulky one
With swift swim for rain
Here's one Mon I really like, Goodra. I played it last season and in the right team it's just so good. It tanks Zard Y hella well, it is not scared of EQ from Chomp. It gets Toxic... Love it xD AND Life Dew.
It won me so many games on its own. People are just not ready for it. And it's just so cute but so so so deadly xD
Goodra is wild
Honestly
You play it too?
Just give some stuff a try
I don’t use goodra haha
I’ll come back after I’ve tried some things
I doubt you can go wrong with this fish tbh. I am just sick of it xD
We need a plan against it in the imo. Even though I think Mawile kills it no? Does Mawile win a Sucker God duel vs Aqua Jet?
You planning on trying stuff out?
Farig
Incine
Sinistcha
Mawile
Delphox
Last spot is up for grabs.
I feel like if we are playing dual modes with the team the last mon needs to be fast though. The problem with Delphox is that it gets completely rekt against Basculegion where Zard Y actially just solar beams it and it dies
We need something that hard counters this Basculegion problem
Hisui-Samurott??
Trick Room Mimikyu?
Or weavile?
Ok
Ive tested a few games with Sneasler in the last slot
And Ive won all three
Sneasler helps a lot with Delphox against Kingambit because you can quick guard a sucker punch and kill with combat
More fake out support is also nice
Mhm mhm
And last thing is, with Sneasler you can run an offensive Incin
But that dame basculegion tho
Was playing this
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Basc loses to Incin and Mawile under trick room
Dw the last mon is fast
Sneasler goes pretty quick :P
Basculegion isnt really a problem
Cause darkest lariat will just always kill
Wave crash into incin is game tho no?
And if it’s sash then they kill themselves with wave crash
Over throat chop?
Only if it’s a 1v1
Lariat is more damage and ignores arch stamina boosts
They run liquidation when sash
Beautiful
You also have Farig thunderbolt
Im about to go to bed
So yeah give the team I just put there a go!
Are you willing to play this team a little more for a review?
Yeah I will
I think it might be pretty good haha
Lemme know when you are done ;-;
Will do!
Are you in Master Ball yet?
Yep
I got there in one day of this season lol
Oh shoot, what's your elo?
I got top 5k last season
Not bad ngl
Like 1700 cause I haven’t played very much
Oh also not bad
I’ll get higher when I play more
Alright, run the team lemme know what you think
Will do! Have a good night friend
I really need to sleep. A session where your head is such a mess that you gotta take a break is usually enough to know if the team is worth the try or not
KEKW
I am very looking forward to this!!
It will be fun!
Thank you so so much!!
GOOD MORNING!
Do we have a verdict? 🤔
Yeah I’ve played it a whole bunch!
I AM EXCITED NOW
Ive found that I’m using Mawile a lot more than Delphox
Okay?
Delphox is still really good but it’s mainly a matchup check
Also sneasler is definitely good here
So we stick with this line up?
Really good partner for Delphox
Ye
So for the TR mode youll bring the mons that arent Delphox and Sneasler unless you specifically think other stuff will be better
Leading Farig and Incin is like 75% of games on its own
And you have a good amount of support Pokémon to choose from to help Delphox with
So yeah it’s been really fun to play, I’d recommend giving it a go!
If you haven’t already
How many games have you played and what would you say was your win rate?
I am quite excited to play it but I am not confident I have what it takes to pilot it well. Kinda scared ngl. Maybe you could help me pilot it?
Win rate was probably like 60% cause I was learning the team
But yeah I can help! Can’t call atm but feel free to send me videos
Currently at work but definitely can message and talk whenever I am a little more free
Out of how many games?
Like 30?
That's a lot man wow
Where did you reach on Master Ball?
Lemme know when you are free my good sir
Oh right, about the spread. Are they optimal already?
Got up to 1790
I think so yes
If something changes I’ll let you know
Not bad at all!
Giving the team a go today! Going for that grind!
You got it
Let me know if you need help
Imma be probably grinding for a while tonight. Imma tell you about it tomorrow if sum weird
Imma be studying the spreads at work
Leading with Incine and Farig. How do you remove your Incine and get a safe switch into Mawile? By the time we get to switch her in Trick Room is almost up and we are under massive pressure.
I think the best way to do this is to set uo Trick Room with Mawile already on the board with a protect. But this is not consistent. I think for this strat Staraptor is a great idea. Using it as a bait could serve as a great way to go for the Mawile Swap in also
Or we could just bait with it and then lead with Mawile directly. 🤔
The way I usually do it is you can parting shot turn one, do it when you think it will be safe, OR
You just use Incin as a suidice attacker
Life Orb and flare blitz will drain your health very quickly and it will more than likely pick up at least one kill
Hmm.. I see the idea. I believe if the damage output is significant enough the trick room is put to good use. It's similar to the Farig + Kang lead. Except this one gives you the ability to pivot and to deal damage
I see...
Yeah exactly
Still reauires quite a bit of skill for this though. And I am not quite there yet
uhh yeah it kinda does haha
I have been dealing with a level of hax that really rekt me yesterday xD
Today is a new day COPIUM
yikes
I believe in you
8 crits out of 10 matches, all being relevant, 4 flinches in a single game. 1 crit that OHKOs my Delphox while the scarf Chomp was -4... Right after 2 flinches and one Heat Wave miss
What am I playing, Sparkles...? I wanna off myself
I am thinking maybe going the Zard route?
Not sure tbh
I think I kinda need a second spread move damage output. Either Sylveon or Torkoal. Or both
Either I go with a Trick Room + Tailwind build or Hard hard trick room with a secondary massive damage output...
I need help D:
Sorry I was having dinner
Hmm
We finna dine on their souls xD
I actually used Mawile Zard at a tournament today, went 5-2, but I thought you didn't want to do that?
Also yes Sylveon might be really good here
Lowkey feel like I kinda do at this point =/
While I do love Delphox, it's just so fragile to a lot of things without support. Without Sneasler by her side Dark moves and Basculegio puts way too much pressure
I agree with this
The second mode of the team is not enough to support Delphox fully
I think it is but it's really difficult
So once Sneasler faints, it's lowkey game over
And only against certain teams
I can show what I was running?
That's the thing...
Go ahead let's see
https://pokepast.es/9b9958bf68cc6f66
Star of the show was definitely Sylveon
Yeeeee, you cannot really go wrong with this tbh XD
I didn't put rock slide on Mawile cause I wanted iron head for floette and I have chomp for zard
Trick room became very much a secondary mode
That's usually how it is when you have Zard. It's just way too broken
yup
Is there a world where we swap Chomp for Incin?
The Sun of Zard justifies it no?
I mean you could do that, and then put Rock Slide on Mawile?
I think it could work, yeah 🤔
But then you lose out on a big part of the Zard mode
We then fully use Mawile as primary option no?
That's what I am saying
I mean you could do that yeah
Idk if it would be any better, but it's worth trying
I might not though cause I'm refining this team haha
In the last format I played my Zard max HP max SPATK. It would still outspeed under Tailwind and work under trick room
I found it quite nice
That's interesting
I make my Zard have just enough speed to go faster than neutral Basc, and enough damage to kill it with solar beam
Then a lot of bulk
Basc sure is annoying as hell
Well..
Incin instead of Mawile...
Hmmmmmmm
Instead of chomp you mean?
NGL I am liking your team quite a bit
Yeyeye Chomp sorry
It would be a lot easier to pilot and a looooot less frustrating that's for sure
I still need to refine the spreads though
thanks haha
I think I am going to explore the speed tiers of the trick room and tailwind today during off hours at work
It's worth looking into
Is Champion tier unlocked already?
It is! It's something I did a while back
And yeah there's champion tier
What's min to get up atm?
Also, accept my damn friend request XD
I am enjoying the theory crafting with you
I did
No idea haha
I got up to 2010 last season and didn't reach it
2150
Is the lowest in I’ve seen
Good heavens ain't no way I make it up there this season... Big Sadge...
Beautiful
How your mega mawile adventure going?
Absolutely LOVING this team. With the swap of Incin, Mawile gets to be played a lot more. It catches people off guard so much that one Flare Blitz is enough to win the game sometimes. The Lorb just carries! Just managed to play it a little but for the little I played, I can tell you I love it!
I am so glad to hear it haha
An absolutely brutal team! I gotta admit however, the Zard mode is quite weak on the ladder now with the Incin tweak however. We gotta keep that in mind. Incine 2 shotting Zard under the sun is just... Insane xD
I feel like there are some tweaks here and there that se could do. For example I feel like our Sylveon doesn't hit hard enough. But I am not sure. Regardless, team is insane
Good good! I did say that Zard would be more difficult to use that way haha
But yeah glad it's going well!
It's a little harder to use now indeed...
One thing though...
Toxapex... 😰
oh true we took out garchomp
Still haven't stumbled upon it yet, but it's all over the ladder on the top. I am still quite low so for now it's okay
🤔
I don't think it's THAT common, but fair
Hmm... I am just thinking about how I will react when I stumble upon Pex on high ladder xD
yeah 'd say just hit it with incin lariat and solar beam and hope for the best
I think I don't really have a choice here xD
