Mastering VGC: Building a Competitive Trick Room Team
Summary
In this Pokémon Champions | VGC Battles & Tournaments community discussion, players collaborate on building a flexible Trick Room team featuring Mega Floette. The thread covers essential strategies for managing speed control, countering common meta threats like Tailwind, and optimizing team cores for Master Ball rank. This exchange highlights the collaborative spirit of the server, providing expert insights for trainers looking to refine their competitive VGC builds.
I am a long time 6v6 Smogon player, not the best but definitely not the worst. I have a decent understanding of pokemon and have been playing VGC for like a month now? I made it to Masters pretty easily but the fact remains that I am still a huge noob when it comes to VGC in general. I am not good enough to build a team so I would really need some help from pros here!
I want to build a Trick Room Team with Mega Floette and a secondary Mega since Mega Floette is so easily countered on the ladder nowadays. I have been playing with Mega Floette for a while but I would always struggle with speed control teams such as Trick Room or Aerodactyl tailwind which is just EVERYWHERE atm.
Your help is greatly appreciated!
Holy, that's hard hard trick room. But how do we deal with the issues mentioned? If we set up trick room then we deal with the speed control problem no? No tailwind setter wins the speed control matchup and if we are playing against another trick room setter then we simply run our mons on the lowest speed possible to outspeed no?
This speed control matchuo has gotten me so tunnel visioned on defeating it that I would almost always lose against anything other than those KEKL
Mega Floette huh
Alright soooooo
Do you want it hard TR, centered around floette or just good meta team
I need something rather flexible rather than hard hard trick room, something that can hopefully get me to Master 1
COPIUM
Ok so uh
First of all
I'll do my mandatory team suggestion
https://pokepast.es/a6ee56c121f5c4cc
Hit 1950 with it yesterday
And now let's get to building a real team
High-key interested in building because what you are looking for is kinda what I also wanna do so I'll probably use it asw
Do you have any ideas on 4 mon cores?
That'd you wanna use/build around
Or duets at least, or complimentary mons
First of all I wanna preface that I really really appreciate how y'all are really helpful here!
Since I am a noob, I sincerly doubt my input has any kind of value. I feel like Farigiraf is by far the best Trick Room setter atm though, because Armor Tail is just insane. Running it with a fake out mon is huge since it almost 100% guarantees setting the trick room. So I think this could be a general opener. Maushold and Floette work wonders! I have gone up to Master 3 with this combination. I don't know if it's still that good but I love that combo. Am I hellbent on using Maushold..? Nahh but just something to keep in mind. Now what I would really love is a dual mega something completely oposite to Floette, something that ideally counter other Floettes and for that I thought of Delphox but I am again not too sure.
So here is what I have been thinking of:
Farigiraf + Floette + A secondary Mega
Alright so you might enjoy the meta teams atm
It's always like
Floette Yard Gambit Aero Basc/sinistcha and a sixth slot
Idk if you fw that I personally don't
I feel by not bringing Floette in every MU you lose its value
Which is being completely overpowered
And beating everything
Even by force
Hmm.. I see...
Probably pilot diff here, cause I am hella bad
But I think instead of going the aerodactyl route, it would be a lot better to go Farigiraf instead
The sheer amount of time this mo completely rekted me is insane
I mean I don't really love tr modes with floette
It appreciates screens and twind if anything
Speed is already 102
Top fast for tailroom
If you wanna run tailroom blastoise is a top notch choice
Hmmm I see, I see
Too
Nahh I don't like the Toise
;-;
Understandable
I like regular blastoise, not the mega
With Floette I'd aim to get a counter to sneasler, tailwind, screens support
As much damage reduction as possible
Let's say we get a team. I need to learn how to play the team
Also what do I do again trickroom?
Depending on team
You can run roar or taunt on something
Plan leads to OHKO setters
Spread attack double OHKO lead
Imprison
Setup and play to wall inside tr (hard and skillful)
They usually go mental herb on the Giraf to counter it
Story of my life
Does Whimsicotte learn Taunt?
If we go the bulkmax route
You can probably just setup with floette
And play to stall tr
And sweep when it runs out
Hmm... How do we counter oposing Mega Agrons, Sneaslers and Aegislashes?
Whimsicott Taunt, Tailwind + Floette Calm Mind?
Wait for Whimsicott to die to send in Maushold and get the rektage going or hard suicide Whimsicott with memento for a free switch?
I dunno, all sounds so good on paper but in real life
Man I hate whims
I LOVE WHIMS.. SO SO SO CUTE! I got a shiny 🥺
WAIT, doesn't armor tail counter prankster??
Fudge
GUYS what do we do? 😭
Guys Aerodactyl learns taunt!!!
So we got Floette Aerodactyl as main lead?
Everyone does that ye
Don't you think people have found a counter to that yet?
Floette + Aerodactyl, what else guys?
We were talking about Farigiraff leads but yeah, defo need to counter those Aero leads
For that it serms rather simple. One Fake Out and a quick OHKO move on the Aero, no?
Or a double hitting move? I was thinking Triple Axle but when it hits just twice... Fouf...
Hmm
So we go Weavile lead?
Okay so even weavile doesn't outspeed Aero
Mega Loppuny lead specially against other aeros?
Dragon Darts OHKO?
Thought about it but I do not want to blunder my team with so many things. The team needs to find some kind of solution to play into Aero and Farigiraf, prankster taunt doesn't work
Not a bad idea
Pult doesn't learn it KEKL
What about our own Farigiraf to counter Aerodactyls?
Or actually Hatterene?
Thoughts on Aerodactyl + Hatterene + Garchomp + Sneasler + Mega Floette + Mega Delphox?
Lead Hatterene into an Aerodactyl match up. If they tailwind their turn goes to nothing since now we are under trick room. Set up one Calm Mind with Floette and simply dazzling gleam spam with both Hatterene and Floette or, you can set up Screens with it like suggested? It sounds interesting on paper
But my idea might be completely wrong
The idea is to run Floette, Floette and Delphox with enough speed to outspeed things once the Tailwind on our side is gone, but still slow enough to still outspeed under trick room
This one however I am not too sure
Garchomp, Sneasler and Delphox**
Actually, Sableye is quite a nice option! Just dunno if it's aggressive enough?
Fast Aggron though..? I don't wanna play Aggron 
Come on bro... KEKW
Well the fake out can always be protected, a max ATK Adament Dire Claw does not kill Hatterene with Max HP Bold 44 Def 🙂
Now now nowwww
Not if I fake out the opposing Aerodactyl? Hmm...
Big conundrum
Do we settle for Farigiraf then?
My own Sneasler
This is the idea
That's the thing..
Farigiraf to ensure the trick room then?
I think once we outspeed it, it's not that much of a problem?
Aqua jet is hella annoying though...
Swap Sneasler for Fat Boy Gambit?
Nah, that sounds bad
Or maybe we drop the Delphox idea?
But it's stil so strong
With the Trick Room or the Tail Wind no?
Bold Farigiraf tanks it though 🤔
Hmmm....
Definitely doesn't
Maybe after the sitrus? Not sure
But we can always fake out the second mon
What do you mean?
True...
Should we then have some kind of second plan?
We drop Delphox for Sinischa with rage powder?
I really don't know here..
I really need some help 😫
https://pokepast.es/2a88e5536f0448cd
Check this out, what if we swap Mega Meganium for Floette?
Because this is not my own team, it's the team of B3rtani
I am tryna use a solid base
OMG... Scrappy Fake Out + Last Resort Kang!!
INSANE
Remove the Sneasler and we are good to go!
I THINK WE GOT IT BOYS!
