Débat sur la définition du génocide | FriendZone

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FriendZone | Faites-vous des amis et discutez ⋅ Fun social actif ⋅ Chill ⋅ VC organise une discussion communautaire sur la définition juridique du génocide dans le contexte du conflit Israël-Gaza. Les membres analysent les comparaisons historiques, le droit international et les critères distinguant le génocide de la guerre. Ce fil met en lumière les diverses perspectives au sein du serveur alors que les utilisateurs débattent pour savoir si les événements actuels atteignent le seuil juridique spécifique du génocide....

@happycactus-77 Because you can’t actually prove genocide. I didn’t strawman it if anything I steel manned your arg…
silentbadger-79 OP

The basic problem with conversations like this is that there is no baseline to compare. And Abdullah doesn't even want any comparison to be in this conversation

happycactus-77

Bro tried proving it and couldn’t and he left and blocked the guy with the hot take

pearlguitar-88

If i was in the argument i would give him the proof he need but i can't

@snowysilver-75 Ohh... what's the prove that Israel attempted to wipe out Gaza before October 7th? He said 😭🥀
grandquiver-69

Idk how I can answer that💀

@silentbadger-79 The basic problem with conversations like this is that there is no baseline to compare. And Abdulla…
happycactus-77

He said I cherry picked the standards 😂

happycactus-77

When those are just the standards

quickranger-40

why are we acting mad immature btw

@happycactus-77 Bro tried proving it and couldn’t and he left and blocked the guy with the hot take
pearlguitar-88

Me blocking a guy who i don't agree with makes me lose arguments??

@happycactus-77 Bro tried proving it and couldn’t and he left and blocked the guy with the hot take
silentbadger-79 OP

Proving he didn't have anything of substance to say.

quickranger-40

then again its discord so lmfaooo

quickranger-40

guys we're literally gonna save the world rn in this chat

grandquiver-69

Hamas is so evil oh nooo.... These types of groups are always gonna pop up if you push people

@pearlguitar-88 Me blocking a guy who i don't agree with makes me lose arguments??
happycactus-77

No you lost the argument because the premise was israel is committing a genocide and you didn’t provide any evidence that aligns with ICJ standards and when I pointed out the standards you said i “cherry picked” them and then blocked the guy with the original hot take

@grandquiver-69 Hamas is so evil oh nooo.... These types of groups are always gonna pop up if you push people
quickranger-40

i def dont disagree but that doesnt excuse them literally putting their own citizens in jeapordy

@silentbadger-79 Proving he didn't have anything of substance to say.
pearlguitar-88

Oh yeah buddy it's not like i responsed to you but every time you go through circles 😬

quickranger-40

and to arise after being released from occupation is just a red flag as well

@pearlguitar-88 Oh yeah buddy it's not like i responsed to you but every time you go through circles 😬
happycactus-77

You were the only one going in circles buddy

@grandquiver-69 What proof? I mentioned my points and I was mainly talking about what's going on now but now you wa…
silentbadger-79 OP

Israel gave the Palestinians Gaza in exchange for peace...how is this an attempt at genocide???

Rather, Hamas built a sophisticated tunnel system, not to attack IDF in Gaza, but to terrorise Israeli civilians with bombs. Those are the facts.

@quickranger-40 i def dont disagree but that doesnt excuse them literally putting their own citizens in jeapordy
grandquiver-69

Btw they're not the only ones to 'put their own citizens in jeopardy', they're going to fight on their land for it just as the others in various regions did

@silentbadger-79 Il n'y a aucune preuve réelle prouvant qu'Israël commet un génocide à Gaza, surtout si l'on compare…
snowyorange-96

What

@quickranger-40 the only solution IS a two state solution. anyone that tries to argue for only one's existance isnt…
snowysilver-75

2 state isint a solution looking at 1 side these guys stole our land and another side which basically treat the first side like secondary and all bombs should just stop and blockades realistically 2 state won't work

@pearlguitar-88 Me blocking a guy who i don't agree with makes me lose arguments??
silentbadger-79 OP

I mean that is the thing of coward.

snowyorange-96

History is only history what about now

@grandquiver-69 Btw they're not the only ones to 'put their own citizens in jeopardy', they're going to fight on th…
quickranger-40

oh so now it's chill to bring up other wars with different countries? then wouldnt you say that if a country wins the war, then they win the land?

snowyorange-96

:sus:

@happycactus-77 No you lost the argument because the premise was israel is committing a genocide and you didn’t pro…
pearlguitar-88

I literally did and even dm'd the other guy a video from the official UN report detailing everything but he didn't even mention that 😭

@snowyorange-96 What
silentbadger-79 OP

I said what I said

@snowysilver-75 2 state isint a solution looking at 1 side these guys stole our land and another side which basical…
quickranger-40

oh so this is YOUR land? are you just biased bc of your cultural background. both jews and palestinians have long rooted origins in that area btw.

@pearlguitar-88 Oh yeah buddy it's not like i responsed to you but every time you go through circles 😬
happycactus-77

I pointed out that you need to prove that eliminating Palestinians needs to be the only reasonable explanation for Israeli military conduct in order to conclude genocide and you kept going on about the same things Israel has done without ever addressing the fact that there are other reasonable explanations for the military actions

@silentbadger-79 Israel gave the Palestinians Gaza in exchange for peace...how is this an attempt at genocide??? Rat…
grandquiver-69

Oh wow how nice of them to give a piece of land to the people who already lived there... Oh you wanna talk about tunnels? The Vietnamese pulled that same move, and possibly went even further against their enemies

@happycactus-77 You were the only one going in circles buddy
pearlguitar-88

Sure thing asking me about icj everytime and me responding to you everytime is not you going through circles

@silentbadger-79 This is basically racism and anti-Semitism at once. You couldn't possibly offer a good argument for…
snowyorange-96

Imagine talking like that to a child

@grandquiver-69 Oh wow how nice of them to give a piece of land to the people who already lived there... Oh you wan…
quickranger-40

vietnam war was horrible too ur not cooking bro

@quickranger-40 oh so this is YOUR land? are you just biased bc of your cultural background. both jews and palestin…
snowysilver-75

Brother is arguing with the examples im not even middle Eastern 😭🥀

snowyorange-96

:sus:

@snowysilver-75 2 state isint a solution looking at 1 side these guys stole our land and another side which basical…
happycactus-77

This is a crazy statement clearly coming from someone who does not understand the history of the region

@happycactus-77 This is a crazy statement clearly coming from someone who does not understand the history of the re…
snowysilver-75

Whatever makes u happy Gabe

@snowysilver-75 Brother is arguing with the examples im not even middle Eastern 😭🥀
quickranger-40

then wtf are u saying🤣 im deadass trying to have a conversation with you and youre not serving the way you think u are

happycactus-77

Bro u are just larping

quickranger-40

2 state solution IS the only solution and anyone that says otherwise is uneducated, bigoted, and biased

@quickranger-40 oh so now it's chill to bring up other wars with different countries? then wouldnt you say that if…
grandquiver-69

They're called examples, there's parallels and there's similarities but we pick and choose what is and isn't a genocide to what suits us

@happycactus-77 I pointed out that you need to prove that eliminating Palestinians needs to be the only reasonable…
pearlguitar-88

bro you keep repeating that magic phrase like you just discovered the legal dictionary yesterday while missing the entire point of how evidence actually works in court
​repeatedly shouting "there are other reasonable explanations" without providing a single one that makes logical sense on the scale of an entire region being flattened isn't a legal argument, it's just cope
​courts don't accept fantasy excuses as valid legal inferences. when a military wipes out eighty percent of housing, destroys every single hospital, and starves a population, claiming "tactical military utility" for the total destruction of an entire society's survival system is not a reasonable explanation. it is a completely absurd one that no international tribunal takes seriously
​you aren't pointing out a legal loophole, you're just demonstrating that you think calling total societal erasure a "security measure" automatically tricks international law. if your entire defense relies on pretending that leveling an entire territory for two million people is just standard military procedure, you don't understand the law, you're just parroting PR slogans 💀 🥀

@grandquiver-69 They're called examples, there's parallels and there's similarities but we pick and choose what is…
quickranger-40

lets look at the objective facts and definitions

snowyorange-96

These people dumber then a brain cell

quickranger-40

not examples that only fit one narrative tc

@quickranger-40 then wtf are u saying🤣 im deadass trying to have a conversation with you and youre not serving the…
snowysilver-75

From a Palestinian prospective they will be like its our land jeez what so hard in that

@snowyorange-96 These people dumber then a brain cell
pearlguitar-88

We all seem to agree

@quickranger-40 vietnam war was horrible too ur not cooking bro
grandquiver-69

I'm not saying it wasn't horrible, I was mentioning it cos the other guy mentioned the evil militants using tunnels

snowyorange-96

:pepetea:

@snowysilver-75 From a Palestinian prospective they will be like its our land jeez what so hard in that
quickranger-40

and from a jewish perspective? its the same shit >????

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