Competitive Venusaur Sun Team Guide | VGC Strategy
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The Pokémon Champions | VGC Battles & Tournaments server community analyzes a competitive Venusaur Sun team build. The discussion covers essential VGC improvements, including optimizing Whimsicott's EV spreads, adding fake-out pressure with Incineroar or Sneasler, and strategic swaps like Rotom-Wash for better positioning. This breakdown helps trainers refine their team synergy and item choices for high-level tournament play.
Yo, any thoughts on this Sun team ?
https://pokepast.es/821d8ea0cb97f973
It has a double mode with Staraptor + Sunny Day Whimsicott for Sandstorm matchups.
Helping hand Charizard means Venu's Solar Beam OHKO any Garchomp, and I've been wondering if 4 attack scarf Gholdengo was the best move, as Power Gem is here for Zard and Tbolt for Staraptor and Rain mainly, but idk if Trick would be a better option to prevent Trick Room or something. Let me know what you think 🙂
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when i see your pokepaste, the thing i notice are:
1. you have no fakeout pressure. i think u want to bring at least 1 fakeout mon.
2. if ur using focus sash on whims, u want to have 2hp/32spa/32spe. maxing HP is a waste of point if ur using sash. consider bring moonblast instead of encore 🤔
3. If u want your garchomp to hold sitrus, u want to invest a bit in bulk. 2HP chomp is too frail imo to use sitrus berry.
4. what if u bring rotom wash instead of gholdengo, it have better bulk, u can have volt switch to position your mon better, it also deal with staraptor and rain using electric type, also help you with sand matchup in general. Using wash also means you can EQ with chomp beside zard and wash rotom. if ur using gholdengo, i think its better to change EQ on chomp to stomping tantrum coz u cant safely EQ beside other than zard
5. if ur using rotom wash instead of gholdengo, u can give scarf to garchomp to deal with opposing zard
let me know what u think about my opinion 😄
Thanks for your help !
For fake out, who would you replace for Sneasler / Incineroar ? Because I've been thinking about this but I don't see anyone who can be replace in the team :/
Yeah for Whim I think you're right, 4 support moves got me in some bad situations, wanted to keep the encore pressure on nasty plot Delphox mainly as it shreds my team, but it's not something that happened a lot, so imma go with Moonblast and 32 SpA as you said
Do you have a spread for Garchomp ? I've been looking for some spreads with bulk investments but haven't found one, thought it was just tanky enough with this haha
I thought about Rotom too, but it doesn't deal with Staraptor as much as Gholdengo tbf, as Staraptor can't boost on Gholdengo :/
wait2, ill reply later, im still driving to home
its kinda hard to fit sneasler/incineroar at your team in my opinion, coz u want venusaur to be on your team right? i think ill replace goldhengo for rotom wash.
i think nasty plot delphox shouldnt be a problem coz u have zard, rotom wash & garchomp. i never run the dmg calc on that but i think delphox wont deal much dmg.
i have bulky garchomp build but it's from reg m-a, maybe need a lil bit adjustment in ev.
31 HP/14Atk/4def/3spdef/14 spe Adamant Nature
but nowday i see lots of garchomp run max dmg with either scarf or life orb
if you feel like rotom dmg is too low, u might try this build
Rotom Wash
Hydro Pump
Thunderbolt
volt switch
protect/will o wisp
32HP / 12 Def / 14 Spa/ 1 Spdef / 6 spe
Modest nature
i think you should try this, then u come back here after testing the team and discuss the team again
You could drop sunny day to keep encore.
I get you have it for venu when there's no zard though.
Do you often bring whimsy staraptor and venu on the same team if so for what match ups?
Could also use giga drain on whimsy for swamperts when your not bringing venu
+2 32 SpA Mega Delphox Psychic vs. 32 HP / 0 SpD Rotom-Wash: 169-199 (107.6 - 126.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 32 SpA Mega Delphox Psychic vs. 32 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp: 204-241 (94.8 - 112%) -- 68.75% chance to OHKO
Thing is Mega Delphox is ruining my team right now wow
but Idk, seems a little off
32+ SpA Rotom-Wash Thunderbolt vs. +1 0 HP / 2 SpD Mega Staraptor: 104-126 (65 - 78.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
and paired with Charm Whim, he'll be +2
+2 32 Atk Mega Staraptor Close Combat vs. 32 HP / 12 Def Rotom-Wash: 186-220 (118.4 - 140.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
I thought about sunny day in some cases where I don't wanna bring Charizard (Sandstorm matchup mainly), in this case I bring Staraptor + Whimsicott, threatening a kill on Tyranitar quickly, and then being able to bring back Sun and finish the game with Venusaur and Chomp
I think Giga Drain will be better than Moonblast on Whim, you're right !
would you like any recommendations from my side
Sure !
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I will send it after my nap again
It's fine haha
these are the most important changed I'd do
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that way you always survive lifeorb max atk rockslide from garchomp, boosted gambit suckerpunch and still outspeed max speed 60 base speed pokemon such as sylveon or primarina and still deal huge damage with a modest ev bump stab sun boosted weatherball and heatwave
with that venu set you outspeed modest pelipper without sun
survive a jolly hurricane
optimized hp for lifeorb recoil and still deal tons of damage + helping hand
scarf garchomp outspeeds pretty much anything
with helping hand it can ohko pretty much anything it needs to ko, even without the lifeorb
with scarf helping hand you outspeed opposing garchomps and can ohko them with dragon claw
rockslide helping hand ohkos max hp max def chari Y
iron head ironhead ohkos bulky mega aero and bulky mega floette, which could otherwise threat you with icefang and strong fairy boosted attacks
and earthquake can easily win games with scarf stab helping hand next to charizard, who's immune to ground type moves
if you feel like you are struggling with no-max speed venusaur, feel free and run 129 speed, to outspeed jolly pelipper and max speed swampert (no speed nature)
nah, u wont tank a rock slide 😄
switch hehehe
that's what I was thinking too

thats right hehe