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FriendZone | كوّن صداقات ودردش ⋅ متعة اجتماعية نشطة ⋅ Chill ⋅ VC يستضيف نقاشاً مجتمعياً حول التعريف القانوني للإبادة الجماعية في سياق الصراع بين إسرائيل وغزة. يحلل الأعضاء المقارنات التاريخية والقانون الدولي والمعايير التي تميز الإبادة الجماعية عن الحرب. يسلط هذا الموضوع الضوء على وجهات النظر المتنوعة داخل الخادم بينما يتجادل المستخدمون حول ما إذا كانت الأحداث الحالية تستوفي العتبة القانونية المحددة للإبادة الجماعية.

@grandquiver-69 Yeah where the hell is the brown and Latinos (bad joke ik, bored)
snowyorange-96

Everyone is bored now i guess

@snowyorange-96 Everyone is bored now i guess
pearlguitar-88

I am ngl

snowyorange-96

:AL_bPKfrogHUH:

@pearlguitar-88 bro citing hamas violations doesn't change how international law works because humanitarian law is…
happycactus-77

Yeah but it provides some context

@grandquiver-69 Yeah where the hell is the brown and Latinos (bad joke ik, bored)
snowysilver-75

Give me Latinas :y_shook:

@happycactus-77 I don’t think anyone here is gonna deny that Israel hasn’t broken any international laws. It happen…
grandquiver-69

Like you expect smth from the non state actors that have no official army on their side

@grandquiver-69 Like you expect smth from the non state actors that have no official army on their side
happycactus-77

Non state actors? Lmao

@happycactus-77 Yeah but it provides some context
pearlguitar-88

context explains background motives, but in international law context doesn't equal a legal defense.
​when a state is standing before international courts like the ICJ or ICC, "they broke the rules first" or "they operate in urban areas" does not lower the legal bar for war crimes or genocide. military necessity and context are already factored into basic rules of distinction and proportionality—they don't grant blanket immunity to wipe out entire urban zones, destroy food networks, or dismantle healthcare systems.
​context gives you the why behind a military strategy, but international law strictly judges the what and the how on the ground...

@snowyorange-96 Everyone is bored now i guess
grandquiver-69

We going around in circles so it's boring now

pearlguitar-88

😬

@happycactus-77 I don’t think anyone here is gonna deny that Israel hasn’t broken any international laws. It happen…
snowysilver-75

Ur the one how is doing that by simplying the war 🥀

@grandquiver-69 We going around in circles so it's boring now
pearlguitar-88

Yeah

@happycactus-77 Non state actors? Lmao
grandquiver-69

That's what they are lol

@grandquiver-69 We going around in circles so it's boring now
snowyorange-96

Fair enough

@snowysilver-75 Give me Latinas
grandquiver-69

Bruh🥀

@snowysilver-75 Give me Latinas
pearlguitar-88

Same

@pearlguitar-88 Same
snowysilver-75

A man of taste unlike maggie

@snowysilver-75 A man of taste unlike maggie
pearlguitar-88

Yeah

@grandquiver-69 Bruh🥀
snowysilver-75

:pepetea:

@grandquiver-69 Bruh🥀
pearlguitar-88

:pepetea:

@pearlguitar-88 Yeah
snowysilver-75

Insert dap gif

snowysilver-75

:gigachad:

snowysilver-75

Since I can't send gifs here

@snowysilver-75 Insert dap gif
pearlguitar-88

Inserting dap gif in progress

@snowysilver-75 Since I can't send gifs here
pearlguitar-88

Same 😭

snowysilver-75

:r_kermitcorner:

snowysilver-75

Why are gifs even restricted here 😭💔

@snowysilver-75 Why are gifs even restricted here 😭💔
snowyorange-96

Maybe bc of bots

snowyorange-96

Wait nvm

@pearlguitar-88 context explains background motives, but in international law context doesn't equal a legal defense…
happycactus-77

Literally there is no war in human history or even just modern history where both parties adhere to international law. Not saying that it should just be ignored but I am saying that you are holding Israel to some pretty high standards here like you expect them to be perfect in an urban setting war

snowysilver-75

Huh 😭

snowyorange-96

Idk

snowyorange-96

I lost my brain cells

@happycactus-77 Literally there is no war in human history or even just modern history where both parties adhere to…
snowysilver-75

Ur oversimplifing this conflict

snowyorange-96

I am waiting for a damn game

snowyorange-96

To spawn items

@happycactus-77 Literally there is no war in human history or even just modern history where both parties adhere to…
pearlguitar-88

framing this as "demanding perfection in urban warfare" completely misrepresents what international law actually tests
​nobody is expecting perfection in a dense urban combat zone. urban warfare is inherently chaotic and collateral damage happens. international law does not require zero civilian casualties—it requires adherence to basic threshold legal principles: distinction, proportionality, and precautionary measures.
​the legal argument before tribunals like the ICJ and ICC is not about accidental collateral damage or imperfect military operations. it is about systematic, structural actions:
​Total destruction of survival systems: Wiping out 80%+ of residential housing, systematically dismantling every hospital, destroying water treatment facilities, and engineering famine conditions isn't "imperfect urban fighting." It is the total destruction of the infrastructure required for human life to exist in a territory.
​Policy vs. mistakes: When senior officials explicitly order total blockades of food, water, and fuel, and that exact blockade is enforced for months, that isn't an operational mistake made by a soldier in the heat of urban battle—it is state policy executed at scale.
​Proportionality: Dropping 2,000-pound unguided bombs on densely populated refugee zones or designated safe zones to target single combatants violates the legal standard of proportionality. Urban warfare creates challenges, but it doesn't give a state legal permission to flatten an entire society and call the total erasure of a region "standard military difficulty."
​International law sets a realistic baseline for war, not perfection. When a military campaign systematically targets the conditions of life for two millioon people, trying to pass off total societal destruction as "just hard urban fighting" doesn't holdd up in any international court.

snowyorange-96

Wait

snowyorange-96

I haven't seen ligma

@snowyorange-96 I haven't seen ligma
pearlguitar-88

Trueeeee

@silentbadger-79 I asked for evidence. If the evidence is so obvious prove that I am empty in the skull
quickxenon-97

Whatever it is, what Isreal is doing is not right. You cannot argue with that.

snowysilver-75
@happycactus-77 مثلما قصفت الولايات المتحدة والمملكة المتحدة دريسدن في ألمانيا، مما أسفر عن مقتل عشرات الآلاف من ال…
wittyivory-85

Same with Nagasaki and Hiroshima

@quickxenon-97 أليست نيتهم التخلص من الفلسطينيين فقط؟ بالتأكيد هم لا يقصفون أي أماكن أخرى.
wittyivory-85

They're also using chemicals to poison the land for future generations so uhhh

@happycactus-77 بالتأكيد هناك أشياء أخرى يجب مراعاتها، لكن لا نتصرف وكأن حماس لا تقوم عمداً بعمليات عسكرية داخل وتح…
wittyivory-85

Surely Israel could deploy ground troops to yk, not bomb hospitals?

@wittyivory-85 Surely Israel could deploy ground troops to yk, not bomb hospitals?
snowysilver-75

Even their ground troops snipe kids 🫩

@snowysilver-75 Even their ground troops snipe kids 🫩
wittyivory-85

Can we just be done with these dictatorships 🫩

@wittyivory-85 Can we just be done with these dictatorships 🫩
snowysilver-75

Unfortunately that's not gonna happen anytime soon 💔

@snowysilver-75 Unfortunately that's not gonna happen anytime soon 💔
wittyivory-85

It will be if peeps get the guillotines 🥹

@wittyivory-85 It will be if peeps get the guillotines 🥹
grandquiver-69

Great idea, the french should take over again

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