Debate comunitario: La ética del aborto | FriendZone
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El servidor FriendZone | Make Friends & Chat ⋅ Active Social Fun ⋅ Chill ⋅ VC organizó recientemente un apasionado debate comunitario sobre la ética del aborto. Los miembros exploraron perspectivas morales complejas, desde la autonomía corporal y los derechos sanitarios hasta la definición de la vida humana. Esta discusión destaca los diversos puntos de vista dentro de nuestra activa comunidad social y nuestro compromiso de albergar conversaciones abiertas, aunque intensas, sobre temas sociales significativos....
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Empieza ya
Sí, lo es mucho
PANDA, ¿NO TE GUSTA EL ABORTO?
No, detesto el aborto
¿QUÉ SIGNIFICA DETESTAR, PANDA?
Lo odio
OK, YO 50/50, LO ODIO PERO ME PARECE BIEN
¿Por qué carajo te parece bien?
Por favor, no digas palabrotas
Vale, pero ¿por qué te parece bien?
Vale, la razón es
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Me está dando tiempo
No puedo decirlo
Yo lo diré
Solo me parece bien cuando la madre pasó por algo que no quería, o si tiene dificultades económicas y no puede mantener al niño, es mejor que dejar que el niño pase hambre y tenga una vida muy dura
Es matar necesariamente si solo es un grupo de células
Cierto
Y cosas como la v*olación
La moderación de pacotilla se preocupa por lo que no debe
50.000 posts sobre esto. Eres muy original
Acabo de pensarlo hace poco
¿Qué hay de malo en eso?
¿Qué?
¿Dirías que matar a un vegetal es asesinato?
Como una persona clínicamente con muerte cerebral.
¿no creo que sea asesinato? es atención médica :3
si el aborto es matar, entonces beber esperma es canibalismo
Sí, el aborto es tan clara y obviamente asesinato
Si matas a una persona en estado vegetativo, creo que eso llevaría a cargos de homicidio en casi cualquier sociedad desarrollada
Matar a un humano en sus primeras etapas de desarrollo no significa que no sea matar, por cierto
La atención médica no debería llevar a la muerte de un humano
Bueno, el cuerpo de alguien es su elección
Mejor eso que darles una vida terrible
Tienes toda la maldita razón
Deja de jugar para evitar el aborto
La gente es v*olada, por cierto
No todo el mundo está 'jugando'
Realmente no esperas que alguien lleve al bebé de su abusador, ¿verdad?
Es hilarante cómo pones "por cierto" al final de tu declaración y ahora eso lo convierte en una declaración "supuestamente" factual que es de alguna manera "sentido común", nah, en serio, empiezas tu frase con "matar a un humano", ¿no significa eso mismo que estamos "matando a un humano"? quiero decir, ¿qué tan descerebrado eres?
¿Podemos pensar más allá de decir la basura de "mi cuerpo, mi elección"? esto no es ropa o preferencias, se trata de moral y de un ser humano literal naciendo, y la concepción no ocurre solo por una mujer, hay alguien involucrado que hace que suceda
Entiendo eso, pero eh, ¿qué pasa con las personas que son v*oladas?
¿Esperas que alguien lleve al bebé de su abusador?
No realmente
El aborto realmente no es un problema
Exacto
Hay muchas circunstancias en las que es la solución
¿Eso es literalmente una declaración factual, sin embargo? Puedes preguntarle literalmente a cualquier científico moderno si un feto o embrión está vivo y, por todas y cada una de las medidas científicas, está vivo ya que cumple con todos los criterios de vida. También es humano ya que es un miembro de la especie homo sapiens. Así que sí, es literalmente matar a un humano. Eso ni siquiera es una opinión
No tienes la opción de matar a otros humanos
¿Cómo entras tan fuerte siendo tan descarada y confiadamente incorrecto? Estás dispuesto a llamarme descerebrado pero ni siquiera puedes verificar los hechos antes de escribir tu respuesta 😭😭 debe ser incómodo
Oh, lo siento mucho, ni siquiera leí bien tu línea, pensé que dijiste que está bien matar. Perdón colega, no lo leí bien
Culpa mía colega, pensé que apoyabas el aborto
¿Vas a ignorar la parte en la que dije qué pasa con las personas que fueron v*oladas?
Ignorando las partes a las que no puedes dar una respuesta
Un ser humano concebido a través de v*olación sigue siendo un humano digno del derecho a la vida
Debatamos por DM
Lo siento, de ninguna manera piensas que una mujer que ha sido abusada y traumatizada debería llevar al bebé y cuidarlo como suyo cuando puede ser fácilmente eliminado en sus primeras etapas
Es como decir que mataría para acabar con el sufrimiento de otra persona
Total
Ya sabes, la gente no tiene empatía cuando quiere obligar a una mujer o a una niña a llevar un bebé que nació de una v*olación
¿Hablas en serio ahora mismo?
Exacto
Porque ellos no son los que están en circunstancias tan terribles
Hablas de empatía mientras literalmente quieres matar a un bebé 💔😭
Hay diferencia entre una persona que está fuera del útero y un feto en el útero. El feto no puede sentir dolor, no tiene voluntad de vivir o morir a diferencia de una mujer que está obligada a llevarlo
¿Puedes proponer algo como dar un punto en lugar de dar un "¿hablas en serio?" al azar, colega? Eso no nos hace avanzar en ningún sentido
Estás siendo muy lento ahora mismo
Estoy preocupado, pero está bien
¿Puedes dar un argumento sobre por qué crees que está justificado matar a un humano en esta etapa de la vida debido a la forma en que fue concebido en lugar de solo decir "de ninguna manera piensas esto"?
La capacidad de sentir dolor no dicta tu valor moral. La humanidad y la vida sí. Un feto en el útero es tanto humano como vivo
La empatía es creer en los derechos para todos los humanos, incluidos los no nacidos. No hay empatía cuando literalmente hablas de "eliminar" a un humano debido a los crímenes de su padre
¿Qué pasa con el sufrimiento de las mujeres? ¿Solo te importa el feto? ¿Sabes cuánta presión y problemas de salud mental le va a causar a una mujer volada llevar adelante un embarazo que no quería? La volación ya es una experiencia traumática enorme. Obligar a esa mujer a llevar a ese niño y ese recordatorio durante 9 meses es cruel. Además, ¿qué pasa con los menores? ¿Quieres que una niña pase por el dolor de dar a luz solo para que puedas sentirte moralmente superior?
El feto todavía no siente dolor ni tiene voluntad a diferencia de las personas fuera del útero. No puedes discutir eso. Un feto es tan diferente de un ser humano que está fuera del útero.
Además, la mayoría de los abortos ocurren en el primer trimestre. Para entonces, los órganos ni siquiera están formados
Gracias
Eso no argumenta en contra de nada de lo que dije, sin embargo. Dije que la capacidad de sentir dolor no dicta tu valor moral. Un humano no es más o menos valioso porque sea capaz o incapaz de sentir dolor.
Por supuesto que me importa, pero la opción alternativa aquí es literalmente la muerte de un humano. Es como tener dos malas opciones e ir a por la peor. Sí, por supuesto que creo que matar a un humano es mucho peor que una mujer llevando a término un niño no deseado. No veo cómo no podría ser peor
La etapa de desarrollo no significa que no sea humano
Solo estás seleccionando lo que te conviene. El feto NO sentirá nada, pero la mujer sí. Ambas opciones no son igualmente malas.
La capacidad de sentir dolor importa porque eso es lo que lo hace diferente de matar niños. Si crees que matar a un niño y abortar un feto es lo mismo, entonces no hay nada que decir, simplemente estás enfermo de la cabeza.
Si el bebé tuviera más de 4 meses. Estaría de acuerdo
Eso es el segundo trimestre, la mayoría de las veces los abortos en el segundo y tercer trimestre no ocurren porque es perjudicial tanto para la madre como para el feto.
Nunca dije igualmente malo. Dije específicamente que matar a un humano es mucho PEOR que tener que llevar un bebé a término
Algunos asumirán el riesgo, muchos lo harán en realidad
Así se demuestra que solo te importa el feto no nacido. No el bebé no deseado, no la madre, no nadie más. No sé cómo puedes minimizar lo mala que es la v*olación, cómo afecta a las mujeres. Dispuesto a arruinar la salud mental de alguien solo para sentirte moralmente superior
¿Por qué importa la capacidad de sentir dolor para determinar el valor moral como humano? No lo hace. Las personas bajo anestesia, en coma o con condiciones que eliminan su percepción del dolor no se vuelven menos valiosas, ¿verdad? No puedes simplemente matar a alguien porque no puede sentir dolor.
Los médicos en su mayoría no realizarán abortos en esos casos, a menos que sea una emergencia médica como que el feto ya murió dentro del útero de la madre
No, me preocupo por todos los involucrados, solo creo que la muerte es la peor opción, siento que no estás entendiendo esto
Eso tiene sentido, por supuesto que un médico no hará algo perjudicial para su paciente
Todas estas personas que mencionaste tienen algo llamado "voluntad", como la voluntad de vivir y la voluntad de morir
Ok, entonces no se trata de la percepción del dolor. ¿Se trata de la voluntad de vivir? ¿La voluntad de vivir define tu valor moral?
Estás moviendo las porterías
Si crees que la muerte es lo peor que le podría pasar a alguien, tus capacidades de pensamiento son realmente débiles
Hablé de voluntad y dolor, solo seleccionaste el factor del dolor
Ok, bueno, expón tus criterios sobre lo que hace que una vida sea moralmente valiosa. Claramente no se alinea con lo que se considera una vida humana por ningún consenso científico o médico
Entonces, ¿es la capacidad de sentir dolor y la voluntad de vivir lo que significa que no puedes matar a alguien ahora?
Expónlo en términos claros
No es que ninguna vida sea más valiosa, el hecho es que una mujer debería tener el derecho de llevar o no llevar un feto en SU útero. Y eso es lo que hace que los abortos estén bien, pero matar niños no.
Niños fuera del útero: pueden sentir dolor, tienen voluntad de vivir, no están dentro del útero de otra persona, son su propia persona.
Feto: todo lo contrario a esto.
Además, no es matar a nadie. Si alguien apuñalara a una mujer embarazada en el estómago y causara un aborto, es malo, porque la madre no consintió a ello. Además, no todo el mundo puede decidir si el feto puede ser abortado. Es solo la madre, que lleva al niño en el útero.
Además, ¿qué pasa con los niños nacidos debido a que el aborto sea ilegal? ¿Quién los va a cuidar? ¿Es mejor vivir y sufrir o simplemente no nacer?
Esto suena como el argumento de la autonomía corporal ahora
Es importante notar que nadie tiene derecho a la autonomía corporal completa. No tienes autonomía corporal hasta el punto en que puedes matar a otro humano, especialmente cuando es tu propio hijo
Se aplica a los padres de niños nacidos también
Como los padres de niños nacidos también renuncian a su cuerpo porque tienen obligaciones con sus hijos después del nacimiento. Obviamente no aceptarías si una madre o un padre dijera que se niegan a llevar a su bebé en sus brazos porque son sus brazos y pueden hacer lo que quieran con ellos y los bebés son parásitos por ser llevados por sus padres
Todos estos argumentos entran bajo el aborto. No es solo una pregunta de sí o no
Nadie puede decidir si otro humano es digno de derechos humanos o no. Ni el padre, ni el estado, ni nadie
Cosas diferentes, por cierto. Una está dentro del cuerpo, por cierto, así que no es tan fácil como recoger a un niño. De nuevo, es un niño que tiene sentimientos, así que eso se consideraría negligencia infantil
Los derechos humanos provienen del hecho de que son humanos
Un poco jodido si tus padres pueden decidir si tienes derechos humanos o no
Si estoy en el útero de mi madre, ella puede decidir si puedo quedarme o no porque es su útero. Preferiría no nacer que ser un bebé no deseado
Para gustos los colores, pero no puedes decidir eso por todos y cada uno de los humanos que han existido
No todo el mundo está de acuerdo con ser asesinado en el útero solo porque tú lo estás
Personalmente no soy fan de ser asesinado
No estoy pidiendo a todos que aborten. Si alguien quiere mantener a un bebé, espero que sea un embarazo saludable. A los que no quieren, déjenlos estar. Nadie aborta por diversión, es un procedimiento complicado
No sabrías si te iban a matar en el útero
Nadie sabría si están siendo asesinados en el útero 😭 santa estupidez
¿Qué clase de argumento es ese? Una postura increíblemente perezosa. No sabría si me iban a apuñalar en la garganta esta noche cuando duerma. ¿Eso lo justifica?
Solo porque no sabrías sobre tu muerte cuando sucede, no significa que tu muerte estuviera bien
Si no puedes diferenciar entre las consecuencias de abortar a un bebé y obligar a una mujer a llevar a un niño, entonces te falta crecimiento mental.
¿Qué pasa con los insultos, lol?
Aún lo sentirás
¿Y si me dispararan en la cabeza y muriera al instante?
¿Está bien eso, lol?
¿Porque no lo sabía?
No puedes defender tu postura, así que recurres a los insultos, lmao
Abortar a un bebé es la muerte y una mujer llevando a un bebé a término no es la muerte. Cuando la elección es vida o muerte, elegiré la vida, lo siento
Adivina esto: si una habitación que contiene múltiples embriones congelados (eso es un feto al principio del primer trimestre) y un bebé se está quemando y solo puedes salvar a uno, ¿cuál dirías?
Aún lo sentirías por una fracción de segundos, además tenías la voluntad de vivir, lo que lo hace peor a diferencia de un feto no nacido
Depende del escenario y de lo específicos que seamos
Esto es simplemente incorrecto de hecho y me dice todo lo que necesito saber sobre tu comprensión de las ciencias, lol
En este caso
muerte: no sentirías nada, no tienes voluntad, no afectará nada = malo
Obligar a llevar a un bebé durante 9 meses o en el peor de los casos fuiste v*olada y eres menor: la madre enfrentará problemas de salud mental, trauma de por vida, la afectará por el resto de la vida = mejor
Unless you're shot in specific places you will feel pain
That's the situation. Will you save a baby or multiple frozen embryos from a burning room, assuming you could and only could choose one
Ok wait so you keep bringing up this case about r**e of minors but it’s a very small percentage of abortions. If I said that we can legalize abortions in those cases all the time would you be okay with outlawing the other 99% of abortions?
Because if not, you are just using an extremely rare case out of all collective abortions to justify the rest of them where these conditions do not even apply
Agreed
Do you support abortion in those cases ? Cause making abortion illegal includes every abortion no matter how the fetus was conceived
No you can make exceptions in the law for different scenarios. Doesn’t have to be all or nothing
I personally don’t support abortion in any case but since you use this case to justify the 99% of abortions where the same conditions don’t even apply I want to understand your logic then
So you think kids who got r#ped should be forced to carry out the pregnancy
I think all humans have a right to life
So that's a yes ?
I believe in equal rights for all humans yes
So yes, you believe a child who got r#ped should be forced to carry a baby for 9 months and then forced to give birth
Holy cruelty, how do you even support making a child go through that
There are plenty of people who were conceived via r**e I hope you know. That doesn’t mean that they should be killed
It is cruelty to believe the most innocent life to come out of a terrible situation is the one who must pay the final price
Imagine telling someone who was conceived through r**e that they should have been killed 😭 and that they didn’t deserve to be born
That’s way more messed up than someone having to carry a child to term. To kill someone for the actions of their father
You really believe we should kill children because their fathers committed a crime?
Not just because of the father, also the fact the mother did not want that baby
That’s incredibly cruel and messed up
Father having his children pay for his actions
Then again Not everyone has to get an abortion you're talking bout scenarios which doesn't exist. No one is going up to people and saying you deserve to be killed
That is literally what you’re saying rn
Those people are out of the womb btw, we're talking bout fetuses
Actually what you’re saying is way worse 😭
I was gonna say that you’re saying that children who are conceived of r**e can be killed so long as their mother doesn’t want them
But your take is actually far more cruel
You support this bro. Making a living person going through hell. A child who can feel pain and a fetus who cannot ? Which one is worse ?
No it's not
If the mother don't want to carry the pregnancy. I don't support giving birth then stabbing the children just because their father was a cruel person
Because you believe that they don’t even need to be conceived through r**e. You believe that the mother can just kill them solely because she wants to 😭😭
You still didn't answer this
Same people who support lindsay clancy
I told you I would need more details
What details ?
Better than being born into an abusive house, being abandon, or starving cause your parents can't afford shit
Ok so the traditional answer would be the baby of course but that doesn’t mean that the frozen embryos have no moral value which is where Im guessing you’re going
Similarly I can ask would you save a 5 year old or a 90 year old
Answer is still a 5 year old. That doesn’t mean the 90 year old has no right to life or any moral value
So your conclusion is wrong
Why the baby and not the multiple frozen embryos?
I can also flip the scenario where if we were on a spaceship and Im the last person and my goal is to preserve the human race. In which case I wouldn’t save the baby and I’d probably save the 500 human embryos
Again this one is due to age and the other one is due to the fact that one is baby and the other is a fetus
???
That’s still age 😭😭 holy are you dumb bruh
The reason it’s in the fetal stage of development is because… say it with me… age
It’s younger….
It’s both age
Wait so choosing killing a 6 yr old is better than a 4 yr old ??? No it's not
They are human beings in different stages of life because of age
You’ve said a lot of factually incorrect stuff this convo but this has got to be the funniest one
In this case the sole purpose is to preserve the human race and in my case there isn't a sole purpose so you can choose any without being forced into choosing one
Be fr, more than the age factor you thought bout a live baby suffering or frozen embryos who can't feel anything
Mostly on this server
Are you pro life or pro choice
Honestly stupid to argue with a person who supports making a child go through this when you got a better option
Sure but the analogy doesn’t make sense because idk what your conclusion is. If you’re saying I value the life of a born person more than the life of an embryo that’s true but that doesn’t mean the embryo is not valuable
In the case of abortion, unless the woman will directly die from the pregnancy, I don’t see how your baby vs embryos situation maps onto the real scenario at all lol
If the woman is in direct risk of losing her life by giving birth then yes I believe that is the exception obviously as does everyone else
So you do value the life a born person more than embryo but not when it comes to mothers 😭 so you infact know both is different and have different values
Bro your situation was about death of an embryo vs death of a born baby
If we are talking about death of an embryo vs death of a mother obviously I believe abortion is valid here
But you arent talking about that
It was to ask if you think there's difference between an abortion or straight up murder ( death of a baby)
That’s why I said your analogy doesn’t make sense here
Do you understand this 😭😭😭
I feel like you don’t understand this
You are equating a woman giving birth to her literal physical death
If that is your premise we do not agree
There is no way you’re a real person bruh 😭😭😭
Mental health issues due to being forced to carry a child can cause a person to sh or lead to suicide. Cases like this has also happened.
No we are talking about immediate physical death from giving birth
If she has mental health issues then that should be addressed accordingly, not by killing another human
Yk how like the rest of suicidal folks deal with their mental health problems
Doesn’t involve killing humans usually
(and if it does we put them in jail or in mental hospitals)
All this just can be just avoided by abortion.
Mental health problems
Excess trauma
Giving birth
Abusive parents
Getting abandoned in foster care
You just refuse to believe abortion does more harm than good and it's different from murdering a baby
At the expense of a human life. You are killing a human for this
Like literally physically killing a human
Im not talking about potentially harming their mental health or whatever. Like they will cease to exist in this planet
humans aren't embryos! 😄
i dont beleive that she should be expected to care for it and adoption is very much an option but its still murder.
its horrific that a human life had to start that way but it should be protected.
also u said that its the womans body. it isnt. Its INSIDE the woman's body. thats like saying that i can k*ll my kids bc they live in a house that i own and they make my life harder and bc its my house i have full autonomy over it.
its wrong
it rly rly sucks if a baby is conceived that way
but its still a baby
and its still a human. if a person loses all their arms and legs they are still human. a human embreyo is still a human. We are just saying it isnt to make ourselves feel better
ever hear of the 3/5ths compromise? literally the same thing "they arent TECHNICALLY human" just to make ourselves feel better about our crimes
Oh Man Abortion
This topic is interesting
I feel women should have a choice to be free and to do what they please and people’s body’s do matter and the labor can be a pain in the ass to begin with (Thankfully Im a Guy So I wouldnt know the pain) and Ik “Killing” is considered towards the fetus
The thing is however is like the fetus itself is not even like Pre Born into a Kid in an instant type of thing
Which makes me question like why do people bring up the religion part about this while it is an Abortion debate (Off Topic)
But then its like i dont understand what people really wants nowadays
Plus before then
Why even consider not pulling out (Adult Joke) 🤷♂️
Like S** is not taken serious a lot as people just wants to give that shit a try and then the predetermination happens and all of a sudden YOURE gonna be a Mother or a Father
Or something along the lines
The risks is no joke here
Maybe Im missing something here but idk what yall take is
But obvs me
I rather choose the Pro Choice lane any day of the week
Also please use protection bruh
you do get that people terminate pregnancies in the early stages right and not when its in the later months, right
its still a baby
the world told us that slaves werent human
that was just to make us feel better about slavery
fetuses are most definatly human
but it would be easier to deal with if they werent human
so we tell ourselves that they arent human
It wouldn't feel the pain slaves did
Not equivalent
Whatsoever
Ohhhhh. So slavery is ohk as long as there is no physical or emotional pain. It still rids them of getting to have a life but that’s FINE bc they don’t feel PAIN
Didn't say that
well then either way it not feeling pain like the slaves did doesnt matter at all in this convo
Your justifying slavery ✌️
what the heck?
thats not what i said at ALL
im saying slavery was not ONLY bad bc of the pain
im saying it was bad bc of the pain, bc of the fact that we stole peoples lives and said it was ok because someone OWNED them, the slaveowner had slave autonomy or whatever. Then we said that slaves werent technically human just to make ourselves feel better about the atrocities we were commiting
How does that even connect to abortion, embryos aren't developed
everyone convinced themselves that slaves werent TECHNICALLY humans. CHILDREN arent fully developed buddy.
Human children dont have a possiblity of becoming anything except for human adults. Human babies done have a possibility of becoming anything except human children. HUMAN EMBRYOS dont have a possibility of becoming anything except HUMAN BABIES
THEY ARE HUMANS
but it would be EASIER for US if they WERENT
so we just gaslight society into saying "technically they arent humans"
just like we did with slavery
Human babies are developed, embryos haven't even grown organs (up to 10 weeks) and the thing with slaves is much more different and had various 'reasons' (not justifying but it was just superiority and higher race ideas which doesn't connect to literal embryos)
Also it's not like the vast majority of possible parents just choose to get rid of it, there's laws surrounded abortion so the system of it doesn't get abused
this is still a human. its still stealing a life and the parents dont OWN IT.
the baby is growing inside of them but its NOT THEIR BODY. its INSIDE THEIR BODY.
It's using space inside their body, the body feeds it and keeps it alive, it's not just separate from the mother, it relys on the mother to grow and uses the energy that she makes for it
yeah so do normal children
normal children rely on their mothers
im pretty sure we cant just kill kids bc they arent as developed as adults based on the "my house my finances my rules" can we?
Abortion is murder but we pretend its not and jump thru all these hoops
like if an embryo isnt a human than what is it?
Children are outside of the womb, also it's not like they're taking direct nutrients from the mother's bloodstream
wow ur just digging urself into a hole here. It literally doesnt matter dude. Its not like the mom is dying from the nutrients being taken. Also what about breastfeeding?
Well I do partly agree with this to a point, when the embryo becomes a fetus and gains organs while learning how to 'breathe'
?? A kid is actually it's own person by then no matter what disability or issues they got
The mother does choose it and by then the baby has become it's own person
An embryo is a clump of cells which haven't even fully developed, at that point it's mainly just a living organism yet hasn't fully prepared for actual life at that stage
you basically just described a child dude
Btw I do think when it grows to a fetus then it's already at a stage of becoming more than just a living organism
A child isn't just a 'living organism' lol, they've already developed to the main stage by the time of their birth
now i do think that if the woman is ever in danger it is fully understandable to do it. If the woman could die then its perfectly understandable
but i hate the idea of terminating nature's process of human life just bc some woman is all like "i dont rly wanna deal with that righ nowwwwwwww. can we just kil itt"
Usually if they're at serious risk of dying then the pregnancy is usually terminated early or near the time of the birth, for the birth tho it's usually cos the baby might not survive
I do get ur second point tho I think some exceptions should also be made like for example how it was conceived and if the woman had it without her consent (violated autonomy)
i would still much rather the baby be born and just get adopted or whatever in the second case but if she chooses abortion i still fully understand it
i dont think its fair to put the choice of killing human life in the hands of one person even if its feeding off her nutrients. However i can completly see why she would choose to abort it if ykwim
Makes tho tbh I feel she shouldn't just get rid of it early on after being scarred from wtvr happened, especially since the weight of it is more than people will probably understand
Yh I do see ur point
Depends on the situation but sometimes yeah
Also how she conceived it in the first place, and how bad her mental state is (should be medically diagnosed and severe enough)
How is it wrong then
Oh I wasn't clear, I mean stuff like SA/ grape
That's her choice if she keeps it, and he exists now to react to this which is fine
What? He's alive now, nice
I mean if it was the other way and the woman did it and got pregnant and the guy's mental state got so screwed then it should still be a choice, as long as it's in rly early stages but that's a more controversial opinion ig
IDK STOP YELLING DAMN
SMTH IS WRONG WITH U SO SHUSH
Bruv implied so far he went to Mars
You're just implying that without looking at what my view is💀
I already explained it above, you can scroll up to it
Sure, bye
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I mean the fetus isnt even fully developed into a new born child to even begin with 🤷♂️
And it's not even alive yet
it most definatly is. go do reasearch befrore u make comments like that
First of all relax no one insulted you and i don't even know you second of all if mother's life is in danger we would all agree abortion is needed or if the baby had extreme deformities that makes it's life hard to live we would agree with abortion and i don't agree with abortion whatsoever but in extreme cases abortion is needed
no def not the second one. My lil brother has down syndrome and it makes his life harder and i know tons of other ppl with disabilities through the community that my lil brother is in. He makes our lives so much better and he is a joy to be around. Idk why u think everyone would agree to murder a baby just bc its life will be hard
however i do completly agree with the mother's life in danger part. its still VERY sad that an abortion has to be done but it makes perfect sense
I was not talking about down syndrome they could live normal life's I was talking about living for example without eyes and without lungs or a heart
Not eyes
Bc most can live without eyes
if they are going to die like within days then yeah. but if they have a possibility to survive multiple years and at least have ANY life then its worth it to let them live
And yes most will agree in abortion bc it's mercy for the child
And make them live through hell?
dude. thats not the choice of the mother
Well it's oir choice to make if the kid will live hell on earth and we have the power to stop it can you imagine living with no lungs?? You wouldn't be able to even move
ok fine ykw sure those are permissable
now tell me... are those anywhere NEAR the majority of abortions?
no
no it isnt
its just ppl who didnt pull out and dont want kids
I agree it's horrible killing innocent souls just bc someone decided he doesn't want a kid if so why get him in the first place? I agree with you most abortions are selfish those i don't agree with i agree with those that are done for good reasons
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Horrible world we live in..
you like abortion
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No he agrees with me
i was trying to say fire statment or smth
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i just wanted to say is that when you look at abortion through an x-ray view or supposedly an mri machine the docter has to cut of the baby's limbs and suck it up with a tube
i think its murder
tbh
I agree it's horrible to see
Embryo is a stage of human development. Embryos are humans
There are many alternatives than just going down that route
Also just because it's a foetus and hasn't developed doesn't change the fact that's it would have. I mean ending something in it's early stage or late it's still the same in a way
Also could put up the child for adoption or orphanage in some case
Also body "my choice" doesn't really count course you are also making that choice for someone else in you. Only reasonable cases where such acts would likely be permitted are when there is a health situation where both lives are in danger and one would have to be chosen
Not being able to experience pain doesn’t mean it would be okay to kill you 😭😭
Does that REALLY count when the foster care system is so shit?
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Hmm..I don't know, it's still a bit hopeful
Like, if every aborted child, if they weren't aborted anyway, was guaranteed a home, an education, a stable home, parents, then yeah, abortion would be evil, but in this economy, in THIS day, not every child born can even have those things.
The people who screaming to make abortion illegal are the same ones supporting genocide.
are the same ones pushing for politicians that raise housing prices and abolish healthcare.
shit, the kids are gonna be born into a world where we've given up on climate change.
Hmm?
I don't find abortion as a suitable solution to the problem either
If for all,the solution is just don't get yourself down that lane, that's have the process that brings kid
...uhh..
In special cases it's fine for abortion to take place
Like victims of crude crime
Or life Nd death situation
And also correction
We don't support genocide
