Community Debate: The Ethics of Abortion | FriendZone
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The FriendZone | Make Friends & Chat ⋅ Active Social Fun ⋅ Chill ⋅ VC server recently hosted a passionate community debate regarding the ethics of abortion. Members explored complex moral perspectives, ranging from bodily autonomy and healthcare rights to the definition of human life. This discussion highlights the diverse viewpoints within our active social community and our commitment to hosting open, albeit intense, conversations on significant societal topics.
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Just start it
Yes it very much is
PANDA DO YOU NOT LIKE ABORTIOB
No i despise abortion
WAT DESPISE MEAN PANDA
I hate it
OK I 50/50 HATE BUT OK WITH ME
Why the fuck are u ok with that
Plz do not swear
Ok but why are u ok with that
Ok da reason is
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It's time me out
I'm cannot saybit
I will say it
I'm only ok with it when, the mother went through wat she not like, or if she is financially struggling and cannot provide for the child it's better than to starve the child and give it a very hard life
It's necessarily killing if it's only a group of cells
True
And stuff like gr*pe
The flipping moderation is concerned abt the wrong thing
50,000 post on this. You are very original
I've just thought of it recently
Ways wrong with dat
Wats
would you say the killing of a vegetable is murder.
as in a clinically brain dead person.
i don't believe it's murder? it's healthcare :3
if abortion is killing then drinking perms is cannibalism
Yes abortion is so clearly and obviously murder
If you kill a person in a vegetative state I think that would lead to homicide charges in almost any developed society
Killing a human in its early developmental stages doesn’t mean it isn’t killing btw
Healthcare shouldn’t lead to death of a human
Well someone's body is their choice
Better that than give them a terrible life
You are goddamn right
Stop playing around to avoid abortion
People get gr@@ped btw
Not everyone is 'playing around'
You really don't expect someone to carry her abusers baby do you
It's hilarious how u put "btw" in the end of ur statement and now that makes it a "supposedly" factual statement that is somehow "common sense", nah like really u start ur sentence off with "killing a human", like doesn't that itself means we are "killing a human", i mean how brain dead are you even
Can we think more than saying "my body my choice" bs, this ain't clothes or preferences, it's about morals and a literal human being born, and conception doesn't happen only by a woman, there's someone involved who makes it happened
I get that but uh what about people who get r**ed
Do u expect someone to carry their abusers baby?
Not really
Abortion really isn't a problem
Exactly
Theres a lot of circumstances when its the solution
That is literally a factual statement though? You can literally ask any modern scientist if a fetus or embryo is living and by any and every scientific measure, it is living since it meets all the criteria for life. It is also human as it is a member of the species homo sapiens. So yes it is literally killing a human. That isn’t even an opinion
You don’t have the choice to kill other humans
How do you come in so hot being so blatantly and confidently wrong you’re willing to call me braindead but can’t even fact check before typing out your reply 😭😭 must be awkward
Oh I am very sorry I didn't even read your line properly, I thought u said, it's okay to like kill. Mb dawg I didn't read it right
My bad dawg I thought u were supporting abortion
U gonna ignore the part where I said what about people who got r**ed?
Ignoring the parts you can't give an answer to
A human being conceived through r**e is still a human worthy of the right to life
Let's debate in dms
Im sorry no way you think a woman who has been abused and traumatized should carry the baby and care for it as their own when it can be easily slimed out in its early stages
It's like saying I wud kill to end someone else's suffering
Fr
Yk people got no empathy when they wanna force a women or a kid to carry a baby who was born from r#pe
Are you being serious rn
Exactly
Cus they aren't the one in such terrible circumstances
U talking abt empathy while u literally wanna kill a baby 💔😭
There's difference between a person who's out of the womb and a fetus in the womb. The fetus can't feel pain, don't have a will to live or die unlike a women who's forced to carry it
Can you come up with something like give a point instead of giving a random "are u serious" mate that doesn't move us forward in any sense
Ur being really slow rn
I'm concerned but okay
Can you give an argument as to why you think it is justified to kill a human in this stage of life because of the way it was conceived instead of just saying “no way you think this”
Ability to feel pain does not dictate your moral value. Humanity and life does. A fetus in the womb is both human and living
Empathy is believing in rights for all humans including the unborn. No empathy is when you literally talk about “sliming out” a human because of the crimes of its father
What bout the women's suffering ? Do you only care bout the fetus ?? Do you know how much pressure and mental health issues its gonna cause a r#ped women to carry on a pregnancy that she didn't want ? R#pe is already a huge traumatic experience. Forcing that women to carry that child and that reminder for 9 months is cruel. Also what bout minors ? You want a child go through the pain of giving birth just so you could feel morally superior ?
Fetus still doesn't feel pain or has a will unlike people out the womb. You can't argue with that. A fetus is so damn different from human being who's out of the womb.
Also most abortions happens in first trimester. By the even the organs are not formed
Thank you
That doesn’t argue against anything I said though. I said that ability to feel pain does not dictate your moral worth. A human is not more or less valuable because they are able or unable to feel pain.
Of course I care but the alternative choice here is literally death of a human. It’s like having two bad options and going for the worse one. Yes of course I think killing a human is leagues worse than a woman carrying an unwanted child to term. I don’t see how it wouldn’t be worse
The stage of development doesn’t mean it is not human
You're just cherry picking. The fetus WON'T feel anything but the women will. Both choices are not equally bad.
The ability to feel pain does matter cause that's what makes it different from killing children. If you think killing a child and aborting a fetus is the same then there's nothing to be said, you're just ill in the head.
If the baby was older then 4 months. I would agree
That's 2nd trimester most times abortions on 2nd and 3rd trimester doesn't happen cause it's harmful for both the mother and fetus.
I never said equally bad. I specifically said that killing a human is leagues WORSE than having to carry a baby to term
Some will take the risk a lot will do actually
Thus proved you only care bout the unborn fetus. Not the unwanted baby, not the mother not anyone else. Idk how you can just downplay how bad r#pe is how it affects women. Willing to fck up someone's mental health just to feel morally superior
Why does ability to feel pain matter to determine moral worth as a human? It doesn’t. People under anesthesias, in comas, or conditions that eliminate their pain perception don’t become less valuable do they? You can’t just kill someone because they can’t feel pain.
Doctors mostly won't do abortions in that cases, unless it's a medical emergency like the fetus already died inside the mother's womb
No I care about everyone involved I just think death is the worst option I feel like you aren’t understanding this
That makes sense ofc a doctor won't do something harmful to their patient
All these people you mentioned have something called "will" like the will to live and the will to die
Ok so it’s not about pain perception then. It is about will to live? Will to live defines your moral value?
You are moving goal posts
If you think death is the worst thing that could happen to someone your thinking capabilities are really weak
I talked bout both will and pain, you only cherry picked on the pain factor
Ok well lay out your criteria for what makes a life that is morally valuable. Clearly it does not align with what is considered a human life by any scientific or medical consensus
So is it ability to feel pain and will to live that means you can’t kill someone now?
Lay it out in plain terms
It's not that any life is more valuable, the fact is a women should have the right to carry or not carry a fetus in HER womb. And it's what makes abortions okay but killing children is not.
Kids out of the womb - can feel pain, has the will to live, is not inside someone's else womb, they're their own person.
Fetus- complete opposite of this.
Also it's not killing anyone. If someone stabbed a pregnant women in the stomach and caused abortion it's bad, cause the mother didn't consent to it. Also not everyone can decide if the fetus can get aborted. It's just the mother, who's carrying the kid in the womb.
Also what bout the kids born due to making abortions illegal ? Who's gonna take care of them ? Is it better to live and suffer or just not be born
This sounds like the bodily autonomy argument now
It’s important to note that nobody has the right to complete bodily autonomy. You don’t have bodily autonomy to the point where you can kill another human, especially when it’s your own child
It applies to parents of born children too
Like parents of born children also give up their body because they have obligations to their children after birth. You obviously wouldn’t accept it if a mother or father said that they refuse to carry their baby in their arms because it is their arms and they get to do what they want with it and babies are parasites for getting carried by their parents
All these arguments come under abortion. It's not just a yes or no question
No one gets to decide whether another human is worthy of human rights or not. Not the parent, not the state, nor anyone
Different things btw. One is inside the body btw so not easy as picking up a child. Again it's a kid who got feelings so that would be considered child neglect
Human rights come from the fact that they are human
Kind of fucked up if your parents get to decide whether you get human rights or not
If I'm in my mom's womb she gets to decide if I can stay or not cause it's her womb. I'd rather be not born than be an unwanted baby
To each their own but you don’t get to decide that for each and every human to ever exist
Not everyone is cool with being killed in the womb just because you are
Personally I am not a fan of being killed
I'm not asking everyone to get an abortion. We someone wants to keep a baby I hope it's going to be a healthy pregnancy. To those who don't want let them be. No one gets abortions for fun it's a complicated procedure
You wouldn't know if you were going to get killed in the womb
No one would know if they're being killed in the womb 😭 holy stupidity
What kind of an argument is that? Incredibly lazy take. I wouldn’t know if I was going to get stabbed in my throat tonight when I sleep. Does that justify it?
Just because you wouldn’t know about your death when it happens, does not mean your death was okay
If can't differentiate between the consequences of aborting a baby and forcing a women to carry a kid then you lack mental growth.
What’s with the insults lol
You'll still feel it
And if I got shot in the head and was dead instantly?
Is that ok lol
Because I didn’t know?
You can’t defend your take so you resort to insults lmao
Aborting a baby is death and a woman carrying a baby to term is not death. When the choice is life or death I will choose life sorry
Riddle me this if a room containing multiple frozen embryos ( that's fetus in beginning of first trimester) and a baby is being burned down and you can only save one, which one would you say ?
You'd still feel it for a fraction of seconds also you had the will to live which makes it worse unlike an unborn fetus
Depends on the scenario and how specific we get
This is just factually wrong and tells me everything I need to know about your understanding of the sciences lol
In this case
death- you wouldn't feel anything, got no will, will not affect anything = bad
Forcing to carry a baby for 9 months or in worse case you got r#ped and is a minor - the mother will face mental health issues, life long trauma, will affect her for the rest of the life = better
Unless you're shot in specific places you will feel pain
That's the situation. Will you save a baby or multiple frozen embryos from a burning room, assuming you could and only could choose one
Ok wait so you keep bringing up this case about r**e of minors but it’s a very small percentage of abortions. If I said that we can legalize abortions in those cases all the time would you be okay with outlawing the other 99% of abortions?
Because if not, you are just using an extremely rare case out of all collective abortions to justify the rest of them where these conditions do not even apply
Agreed
Do you support abortion in those cases ? Cause making abortion illegal includes every abortion no matter how the fetus was conceived
No you can make exceptions in the law for different scenarios. Doesn’t have to be all or nothing
I personally don’t support abortion in any case but since you use this case to justify the 99% of abortions where the same conditions don’t even apply I want to understand your logic then
So you think kids who got r#ped should be forced to carry out the pregnancy
I think all humans have a right to life
So that's a yes ?
I believe in equal rights for all humans yes
So yes, you believe a child who got r#ped should be forced to carry a baby for 9 months and then forced to give birth
Holy cruelty, how do you even support making a child go through that
There are plenty of people who were conceived via r**e I hope you know. That doesn’t mean that they should be killed
It is cruelty to believe the most innocent life to come out of a terrible situation is the one who must pay the final price
Imagine telling someone who was conceived through r**e that they should have been killed 😭 and that they didn’t deserve to be born
That’s way more messed up than someone having to carry a child to term. To kill someone for the actions of their father
You really believe we should kill children because their fathers committed a crime?
Not just because of the father, also the fact the mother did not want that baby
That’s incredibly cruel and messed up
Father having his children pay for his actions
Then again Not everyone has to get an abortion you're talking bout scenarios which doesn't exist. No one is going up to people and saying you deserve to be killed
That is literally what you’re saying rn
Those people are out of the womb btw, we're talking bout fetuses
Actually what you’re saying is way worse 😭
I was gonna say that you’re saying that children who are conceived of r**e can be killed so long as their mother doesn’t want them
But your take is actually far more cruel
You support this bro. Making a living person going through hell. A child who can feel pain and a fetus who cannot ? Which one is worse ?
No it's not
If the mother don't want to carry the pregnancy. I don't support giving birth then stabbing the children just because their father was a cruel person
Because you believe that they don’t even need to be conceived through r**e. You believe that the mother can just kill them solely because she wants to 😭😭
You still didn't answer this
Same people who support lindsay clancy
I told you I would need more details
What details ?
Better than being born into an abusive house, being abandon, or starving cause your parents can't afford shit
Ok so the traditional answer would be the baby of course but that doesn’t mean that the frozen embryos have no moral value which is where Im guessing you’re going
Similarly I can ask would you save a 5 year old or a 90 year old
Answer is still a 5 year old. That doesn’t mean the 90 year old has no right to life or any moral value
So your conclusion is wrong
Why the baby and not the multiple frozen embryos?
I can also flip the scenario where if we were on a spaceship and Im the last person and my goal is to preserve the human race. In which case I wouldn’t save the baby and I’d probably save the 500 human embryos
Again this one is due to age and the other one is due to the fact that one is baby and the other is a fetus
???
That’s still age 😭😭 holy are you dumb bruh
The reason it’s in the fetal stage of development is because… say it with me… age
It’s younger….
It’s both age
Wait so choosing killing a 6 yr old is better than a 4 yr old ??? No it's not
They are human beings in different stages of life because of age
You’ve said a lot of factually incorrect stuff this convo but this has got to be the funniest one
In this case the sole purpose is to preserve the human race and in my case there isn't a sole purpose so you can choose any without being forced into choosing one
Be fr, more than the age factor you thought bout a live baby suffering or frozen embryos who can't feel anything
Mostly on this server
Are you pro life or pro choice
Honestly stupid to argue with a person who supports making a child go through this when you got a better option
Sure but the analogy doesn’t make sense because idk what your conclusion is. If you’re saying I value the life of a born person more than the life of an embryo that’s true but that doesn’t mean the embryo is not valuable
In the case of abortion, unless the woman will directly die from the pregnancy, I don’t see how your baby vs embryos situation maps onto the real scenario at all lol
If the woman is in direct risk of losing her life by giving birth then yes I believe that is the exception obviously as does everyone else
So you do value the life a born person more than embryo but not when it comes to mothers 😭 so you infact know both is different and have different values
Bro your situation was about death of an embryo vs death of a born baby
If we are talking about death of an embryo vs death of a mother obviously I believe abortion is valid here
But you arent talking about that
It was to ask if you think there's difference between an abortion or straight up murder ( death of a baby)
That’s why I said your analogy doesn’t make sense here
Do you understand this 😭😭😭
I feel like you don’t understand this
You are equating a woman giving birth to her literal physical death
If that is your premise we do not agree
There is no way you’re a real person bruh 😭😭😭
Mental health issues due to being forced to carry a child can cause a person to sh or lead to suicide. Cases like this has also happened.
No we are talking about immediate physical death from giving birth
If she has mental health issues then that should be addressed accordingly, not by killing another human
Yk how like the rest of suicidal folks deal with their mental health problems
Doesn’t involve killing humans usually
(and if it does we put them in jail or in mental hospitals)
All this just can be just avoided by abortion.
Mental health problems
Excess trauma
Giving birth
Abusive parents
Getting abandoned in foster care
You just refuse to believe abortion does more harm than good and it's different from murdering a baby
At the expense of a human life. You are killing a human for this
Like literally physically killing a human
Im not talking about potentially harming their mental health or whatever. Like they will cease to exist in this planet
humans aren't embryos! 😄
i dont beleive that she should be expected to care for it and adoption is very much an option but its still murder.
its horrific that a human life had to start that way but it should be protected.
also u said that its the womans body. it isnt. Its INSIDE the woman's body. thats like saying that i can k*ll my kids bc they live in a house that i own and they make my life harder and bc its my house i have full autonomy over it.
its wrong
it rly rly sucks if a baby is conceived that way
but its still a baby
and its still a human. if a person loses all their arms and legs they are still human. a human embreyo is still a human. We are just saying it isnt to make ourselves feel better
ever hear of the 3/5ths compromise? literally the same thing "they arent TECHNICALLY human" just to make ourselves feel better about our crimes
Oh Man Abortion
This topic is interesting
I feel women should have a choice to be free and to do what they please and people’s body’s do matter and the labor can be a pain in the ass to begin with (Thankfully Im a Guy So I wouldnt know the pain) and Ik “Killing” is considered towards the fetus
The thing is however is like the fetus itself is not even like Pre Born into a Kid in an instant type of thing
Which makes me question like why do people bring up the religion part about this while it is an Abortion debate (Off Topic)
But then its like i dont understand what people really wants nowadays
Plus before then
Why even consider not pulling out (Adult Joke) 🤷♂️
Like S** is not taken serious a lot as people just wants to give that shit a try and then the predetermination happens and all of a sudden YOURE gonna be a Mother or a Father
Or something along the lines
The risks is no joke here
Maybe Im missing something here but idk what yall take is
But obvs me
I rather choose the Pro Choice lane any day of the week
Also please use protection bruh
you do get that people terminate pregnancies in the early stages right and not when its in the later months, right
its still a baby
the world told us that slaves werent human
that was just to make us feel better about slavery
fetuses are most definatly human
but it would be easier to deal with if they werent human
so we tell ourselves that they arent human
It wouldn't feel the pain slaves did
Not equivalent
Whatsoever
Ohhhhh. So slavery is ohk as long as there is no physical or emotional pain. It still rids them of getting to have a life but that’s FINE bc they don’t feel PAIN
Didn't say that
well then either way it not feeling pain like the slaves did doesnt matter at all in this convo
Your justifying slavery ✌️
what the heck?
thats not what i said at ALL
im saying slavery was not ONLY bad bc of the pain
im saying it was bad bc of the pain, bc of the fact that we stole peoples lives and said it was ok because someone OWNED them, the slaveowner had slave autonomy or whatever. Then we said that slaves werent technically human just to make ourselves feel better about the atrocities we were commiting
How does that even connect to abortion, embryos aren't developed
everyone convinced themselves that slaves werent TECHNICALLY humans. CHILDREN arent fully developed buddy.
Human children dont have a possiblity of becoming anything except for human adults. Human babies done have a possibility of becoming anything except human children. HUMAN EMBRYOS dont have a possibility of becoming anything except HUMAN BABIES
THEY ARE HUMANS
but it would be EASIER for US if they WERENT
so we just gaslight society into saying "technically they arent humans"
just like we did with slavery
Human babies are developed, embryos haven't even grown organs (up to 10 weeks) and the thing with slaves is much more different and had various 'reasons' (not justifying but it was just superiority and higher race ideas which doesn't connect to literal embryos)
Also it's not like the vast majority of possible parents just choose to get rid of it, there's laws surrounded abortion so the system of it doesn't get abused
this is still a human. its still stealing a life and the parents dont OWN IT.
the baby is growing inside of them but its NOT THEIR BODY. its INSIDE THEIR BODY.
It's using space inside their body, the body feeds it and keeps it alive, it's not just separate from the mother, it relys on the mother to grow and uses the energy that she makes for it
yeah so do normal children
normal children rely on their mothers
im pretty sure we cant just kill kids bc they arent as developed as adults based on the "my house my finances my rules" can we?
Abortion is murder but we pretend its not and jump thru all these hoops
like if an embryo isnt a human than what is it?
Children are outside of the womb, also it's not like they're taking direct nutrients from the mother's bloodstream
wow ur just digging urself into a hole here. It literally doesnt matter dude. Its not like the mom is dying from the nutrients being taken. Also what about breastfeeding?
Well I do partly agree with this to a point, when the embryo becomes a fetus and gains organs while learning how to 'breathe'
?? A kid is actually it's own person by then no matter what disability or issues they got
The mother does choose it and by then the baby has become it's own person
An embryo is a clump of cells which haven't even fully developed, at that point it's mainly just a living organism yet hasn't fully prepared for actual life at that stage
you basically just described a child dude
Btw I do think when it grows to a fetus then it's already at a stage of becoming more than just a living organism
A child isn't just a 'living organism' lol, they've already developed to the main stage by the time of their birth
now i do think that if the woman is ever in danger it is fully understandable to do it. If the woman could die then its perfectly understandable
but i hate the idea of terminating nature's process of human life just bc some woman is all like "i dont rly wanna deal with that righ nowwwwwwww. can we just kil itt"
Usually if they're at serious risk of dying then the pregnancy is usually terminated early or near the time of the birth, for the birth tho it's usually cos the baby might not survive
I do get ur second point tho I think some exceptions should also be made like for example how it was conceived and if the woman had it without her consent (violated autonomy)
i would still much rather the baby be born and just get adopted or whatever in the second case but if she chooses abortion i still fully understand it
i dont think its fair to put the choice of killing human life in the hands of one person even if its feeding off her nutrients. However i can completly see why she would choose to abort it if ykwim
Makes tho tbh I feel she shouldn't just get rid of it early on after being scarred from wtvr happened, especially since the weight of it is more than people will probably understand
Yh I do see ur point
Depends on the situation but sometimes yeah
Also how she conceived it in the first place, and how bad her mental state is (should be medically diagnosed and severe enough)
How is it wrong then
Oh I wasn't clear, I mean stuff like SA/ grape
That's her choice if she keeps it, and he exists now to react to this which is fine
What? He's alive now, nice
I mean if it was the other way and the woman did it and got pregnant and the guy's mental state got so screwed then it should still be a choice, as long as it's in rly early stages but that's a more controversial opinion ig
IDK STOP YELLING DAMN
SMTH IS WRONG WITH U SO SHUSH
Bruv implied so far he went to Mars
You're just implying that without looking at what my view is💀
I already explained it above, you can scroll up to it
Sure, bye
Side eye
I mean the fetus isnt even fully developed into a new born child to even begin with 🤷♂️
And it's not even alive yet
it most definatly is. go do reasearch befrore u make comments like that
First of all relax no one insulted you and i don't even know you second of all if mother's life is in danger we would all agree abortion is needed or if the baby had extreme deformities that makes it's life hard to live we would agree with abortion and i don't agree with abortion whatsoever but in extreme cases abortion is needed
no def not the second one. My lil brother has down syndrome and it makes his life harder and i know tons of other ppl with disabilities through the community that my lil brother is in. He makes our lives so much better and he is a joy to be around. Idk why u think everyone would agree to murder a baby just bc its life will be hard
however i do completly agree with the mother's life in danger part. its still VERY sad that an abortion has to be done but it makes perfect sense
I was not talking about down syndrome they could live normal life's I was talking about living for example without eyes and without lungs or a heart
Not eyes
Bc most can live without eyes
if they are going to die like within days then yeah. but if they have a possibility to survive multiple years and at least have ANY life then its worth it to let them live
And yes most will agree in abortion bc it's mercy for the child
And make them live through hell?
dude. thats not the choice of the mother
Well it's oir choice to make if the kid will live hell on earth and we have the power to stop it can you imagine living with no lungs?? You wouldn't be able to even move
ok fine ykw sure those are permissable
now tell me... are those anywhere NEAR the majority of abortions?
no
no it isnt
its just ppl who didnt pull out and dont want kids
I agree it's horrible killing innocent souls just bc someone decided he doesn't want a kid if so why get him in the first place? I agree with you most abortions are selfish those i don't agree with i agree with those that are done for good reasons
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Horrible world we live in..
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Hot takes is full of takes if you wanna debate anyone just go to any take
Lol fr 👍
i just wanted to say is that when you look at abortion through an x-ray view or supposedly an mri machine the docter has to cut of the baby's limbs and suck it up with a tube
i think its murder
tbh
I agree it's horrible to see
Embryo is a stage of human development. Embryos are humans
There are many alternatives than just going down that route
Also just because it's a foetus and hasn't developed doesn't change the fact that's it would have. I mean ending something in it's early stage or late it's still the same in a way
Also could put up the child for adoption or orphanage in some case
Also body "my choice" doesn't really count course you are also making that choice for someone else in you. Only reasonable cases where such acts would likely be permitted are when there is a health situation where both lives are in danger and one would have to be chosen
Not being able to experience pain doesn’t mean it would be okay to kill you 😭😭
Does that REALLY count when the foster care system is so shit?
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Hmm..I don't know, it's still a bit hopeful
Like, if every aborted child, if they weren't aborted anyway, was guaranteed a home, an education, a stable home, parents, then yeah, abortion would be evil, but in this economy, in THIS day, not every child born can even have those things.
The people who screaming to make abortion illegal are the same ones supporting genocide.
are the same ones pushing for politicians that raise housing prices and abolish healthcare.
shit, the kids are gonna be born into a world where we've given up on climate change.
Hmm?
I don't find abortion as a suitable solution to the problem either
If for all,the solution is just don't get yourself down that lane, that's have the process that brings kid
...uhh..
In special cases it's fine for abortion to take place
Like victims of crude crime
Or life Nd death situation
And also correction
We don't support genocide
